Dazed and Confused

[carindennis]

Where are all of the good authors gone from the LW category?

If you look at today's (8/08/21) offerings there IS NOT ONE story that breaks the 4.0 rating. With some in the stories rating a mere 1 star.

Granted there was a lot of chatter about the subjects and story lines begining to wear thin, but I still had hope. The serials from GA and others, the offerings from "the pros", just to name a couple of bright spots.

Yes, so some may bring forth that I'm a virgin with 0 submissions - but my strength does not lie in the literary arts. My I am neither an "anon" troll. I am just mentioning that I miss the quality submissions.

 

[AlinaX]

LW attracts negative voters by the swarm, so scores tend to be low. Even 4.0 is very high.
But you need to leave it a few days to get a non-volatile rating.

 

[gunhilltrain]

LW attracts negative voters by the swarm, so scores tend to be low. Even 4.0 is very high.
But you need to leave it a few days to get a non-volatile rating.

I think we're mentioned before that the anonymous voting and commenting allowed on this site creates the "swarm," a Hello World free-for-all that allows for some very bad behavior.

LW readers do go for some BTB stories and may give those a high score. If the woman gets away with cheating, it usually triggers them. But yeah, there are sure are a lot of them, and many don't contribute their own stories but will repeatedly criticize others - assuming that they have a user name to identify them.

Yes, the scores do seem lower than usual in recent days.

 

[SimonDoom]

Where are all of the good authors gone from the LW category?

If you look at today's (8/08/21) offerings there IS NOT ONE story that breaks the 4.0 rating. With some in the stories rating a mere 1 star.

Granted there was a lot of chatter about the subjects and story lines begining to wear thin, but I still had hope. The serials from GA and others, the offerings from "the pros", just to name a couple of bright spots.

Yes, so some may bring forth that I'm a virgin with 0 submissions - but my strength does not lie in the literary arts. My I am neither an "anon" troll. I am just mentioning that I miss the quality submissions.

The problem isn't so much the quality of the stories as the extremely negative voting patterns at LW. The voting has gotten so bad that I think some authors post "hot wife" stories in other categories. I do that, for instance.

My suggestion is to use the Search feature to try to find stories of this kind that you like. You may find them in other categories.

 

[KeithD]

Scoring at Literotica isn't ipso facto connected with what is good/bad writing.

 

[lovecraft68]

The trolling has become so hateful and vicious that many decent readers-and authors-are pulling up stakes and heading over to other categories which has been evidenced by a recent slew of threads about it in the AH.

Lot of hotwife/cuck stuff is going over to fetish and EC where the readers are for the most part sane and tolerant.

Funny-as in funny faux pa- that the site is screening comments, but all the hate over there still flows right through while in other categories there's a noticeable decline in good comments and votes.

Guess the trolls are more persistent.

Laurel pretends to be very liberal in her politics, but seems to have no issue with 24/7 hate speech even that by groups branded hate groups against groups labeled as "protected"

Before anyone comes up with the "Lit is a free speech site' I'll revert back to the point of comments being censored, I mean screened. That and the AH mod who hasn't been overly active in years suddenly closing threads whose discussions paint the site and its faux rules n a not very glowing light

I think we're seeing the start of a Lit exit. Can't say its not deserved.

 

[CiaoSteve]

I put a story in their once, as I thought it seemed the most relevant category, and unfortunately was hit with very mixed voting (slowly crept just about 4 in the end) along with some rather spiteful comments. In my case I give LW a wide berth as I just don't want the hassle.

 

[jaF0]

To post in LW you need a hide like an old crocodile.



Or you could be like me and just not give a shit.

 

[daggett]

LW Quality

I think the original poster in this thread was talking about the lack of quality stories in LW. I read some stories recently that go well beyond the suspension of disbelief that goes with some fiction writing. The " that could never happen even with a very vivid imagination" kind of stories that have me shaking my head or just stop reading. LW authors have always been savaged by trolls and authors may have decided to not post here , or have posted in other categories, or maybe there just aren't any scenarios that haven't been explored over and over.

And BTW, why does LW get savaged and Incest/Taboo doesn't? Never understood that.

 

[ElectricBlue]

And BTW, why does LW get savaged and Incest/Taboo doesn't? Never understood that.

Because I&T readers like what they're reading, while LW readers have their own clearly defined criteria as to what they think is acceptable in "their" category. Their problem is, they have two opposed camps, hence the diatribes against the other camp.

 

[SimonDoom]

And BTW, why does LW get savaged and Incest/Taboo doesn't? Never understood that.

As EB said, this is the easiest thing to understand imaginable.

People who go to I/T to read those stories want to read those stories. So they're not going to savage them. People who don't like those stories don't go there in the first place.

LW is the one category at Literotica where tons of readers open stories they know, or should know, they will hate, and start reading them, and savage them with bad scores and bad comments. Nowhere else at Literotica does this happen to such a degree. Nowhere else at Literotica does a substantial class of readers regard itself as so entitled to spoil other people's fun.

 

[RichardWark]

I almost feel like it's a challenge - I have a couple of stories down the line I'd like to put there just to give it a shot. If they are criticized I can roll with it.
Of course, it would be ideal if some of the LW readers/critics would post here and explain what they want. It should be an excellent category, all things considered - sharing, threesomes, swingers, etc..
I have stated before that I believe story tags should be more prominent - maybe that would help the situation.




Richard Wark
Wark2002

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=5430653&page=submissions

 

[KeithD]

Of course, it would be ideal if some of the LW readers/critics would post here and explain what they want.

Why would that be ideal, or even marginally useful? Why can't people get that there are tens of thousands of different-interest readers on Literotica, 99.99 percent of whom are not going to reveal their interest. There's absolutely no sense in asking "what Literotica readers want" about anything--at all--and expecting to get a useful answer.

 

[daggett]

Because I&T readers like what they're reading, while LW readers have their own clearly defined criteria as to what they think is acceptable in "their" category. Their problem is, they have two opposed camps, hence the diatribes against the other camp.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo (circa 1970)

 

[NotWise]

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo (circa 1970)

Excellent use of the Pogo quotation.

I don't know what it is about LW. Not everyone in I/T wants to read Daddy/daughter stories, but people who don't want to read them don't read them, and they don't bomb them. It's like a normal level of tolerance.

So why can't the BTB crowd and the Hotwife crowd do the same?

 

[lovecraft68]

Excellent use of the Pogo quotation.

I don't know what it is about LW. Not everyone in I/T wants to read Daddy/daughter stories, but people who don't want to read them don't read them, and they don't bomb them. It's like a normal level of tolerance.

So why can't the BTB crowd and the Hotwife crowd do the same?

But in your example readers in I/T can tell by the title if its D/D or Mom son etc...LW is a little more of a crapshoot of what the content will be.

But I believe a good portion of the readers there are pissed the second they get there and already know they're going to trash the story no matter what it is.

 

[Gamblnluck]

To post in LW you need a hide like an old crocodile.



Or you could be like me and just not give a shit.

No kidding. I have posted a few stories to the category. In some ways, I think it makes me a better writer. You can't get away with not dropping ideas, thoughts or plot. But many of the worst critics are people who never even attempt to write.

I do NOT have a fragile ego, but I do like to have my own stories appreciated.

I have a few simple rules for how I grade a story. Foremost, does it follow a logical pattern. Star wars was out in left field but it followed logic given the world it was in.

Second, closely related to the first, does the story follow human nature. A man laying in bed and expresses the fantasy that he was imagining his wife getting screwed by some stud is NOT going to suddenly be willing to suck said stud off and lick his wife clean the next day. But some of the recent stories go that route.

 

[Gamblnluck]

As EB said, this is the easiest thing to understand imaginable.

People who go to I/T to read those stories want to read those stories. So they're not going to savage them. People who don't like those stories don't go there in the first place.

LW is the one category at Literotica where tons of readers open stories they know, or should know, they will hate, and start reading them, and savage them with bad scores and bad comments. Nowhere else at Literotica does this happen to such a degree. Nowhere else at Literotica does a substantial class of readers regard itself as so entitled to spoil other people's fun.

One other thing I want to point out. No other category gets the numbers of readers either. Nor the people ready to comment. I have written stories in several categories. LW gets many times the readership of other other groups. Even considering the ratio of views to comments, it is higher. They are an active group.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Excellent use of the Pogo quotation.

I don't know what it is about LW. Not everyone in I/T wants to read Daddy/daughter stories, but people who don't want to read them don't read them, and they don't bomb them. It's like a normal level of tolerance.

So why can't the BTB crowd and the Hotwife crowd do the same?

They should and many do. BUT the best stories have a degree of 'cringe'. they make your guts twist and want to punch the character or shoot him. Then the same story gives a sense of justice or at least logical end. a story about the poor guy who gets swept under the rug by his wife and is left there groveling as he loses everything important in his life and happy about his fate is not going to fair well.

I read some incest stories. I like the edgy ones.Just my own kink. I rarely read romance or erotic couplings etc. I don't care about long drawn out sex scenes and do not include it in my own stories. I like a story to evoke a response or at least TELL a story.

 

[Ilfen1]

I think a big part of the problem is the name of the category, which alot of people - myself included until very recently - interpret naively as being about sex in the context of a loving, marital relationship.

Imagine some random teen/adolescent searching for erotica online and getting shunted to a story on Literotica. They see the category Loving Wives. "Oh that looks promising, I'd like to have a loving wife."

Little do they know that it's an euphemism for Wife Sharing.

That's what the entire category should honestly be renamed as: Swinging/Wife Sharing/Cuckolding

 

[MadeleineSinha]

As an experiment I wrote a story packed full of characters with virtually no redeeming features, a story I would have hated to read and that features many of the things I find most abhorrent in real life, Golf for example.
I posted it in LW under a different user name, purely to see what happened. At present, two days after it was posted it has over 15,000 views and has a score of approaching 3 / 5
The comments have been a mix of "Fuck this cuck shit" and some genuinely reflective stuff.
I saw it as a way of sticking it to the trolls for some of the comments on stories I've posted under this user name.
Of course if multiple user names breaches the site Ts & Cs I was only joking.

 

[silentsound]

I'm a recovering asshole but no troll.

Where are all of the good authors gone from the LW category?

If you look at today's (8/08/21) offerings there IS NOT ONE story that breaks the 4.0 rating. With some in the stories rating a mere 1 star.

Granted there was a lot of chatter about the subjects and story lines begining to wear thin, but I still had hope. The serials from GA and others, the offerings from "the pros", just to name a couple of bright spots.

Yes, so some may bring forth that I'm a virgin with 0 submissions - but my strength does not lie in the literary arts. My I am neither an "anon" troll. I am just mentioning that I miss the quality submissions.

As my title says.....

LW is a fierce category and not for the faint of heart.

I'm an absolute jerk but I give honest feedback even if it isn't coherent.

I have seen many high quality stories down voted into the three range. Most stuff in the two's deserve it but there are many stories in the three's that deserve a far higher rating.

I may be an asshole but I'm not partial and I have given high marks for stories that have received three range status.

I do think several authors have moved on but it is still a very interesting category and newer authors are still putting out good works.

If I ever get off my lazy ass, I will post and welcome the vitriol. I will delete unimaginative comments however.

Any "gay shit" comment will be kept because it makes me laugh but insults should be creative to be truly appreciated.