Not a lesbian, but I've mess around with girls

[BuckyDuckman]

I've heard this line or something similar several times - a girl who says, "Well, I'm not a lesbian or anything, but I have messed around a bit with my girlfriend."

From there, details vary depending on the woman. Most often, it turns out to be something like this:

"Oh, my girlfriend and I would make out at parties just to get the guys going, but we never really did anything more than kiss."

So, is there a point of no return? Kissing is okay, as long as you don't touch each other's tits?

Feeling each other up is okay, as long as you don't go beneath their t-shirt?

Sucking on a nipple is cool, as long as you don't touch each other's pussies?

I bet the eagle-eyed readers of this forum have already begun to pick up on the story idea that I don't plan on writing - two girls who keep kidding themselves until they go all the way.

How about making some suggestions for what else they might do along the way to "not being a lesbian." How far can they get and still justify it away as "I'm not a lesbo!"

 

[gunhilltrain]

Don't worry about it; just let them do their thing. Once they start crossing those lines, they'll probably wind up in bed eventually.

I think sex researchers have found that many, if not most, people are at least a bit bisexual. Being lesbian or gay is not a neatly defined category, but rather a point on a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes. Once they find a certain "trigger" event, then they have to admit to themselves that they have that hidden side.

 

[Qubiquitous]

What is the point of having a "label?" Is it to simplify getting what you want? (IE: If you are into power-exchange but not whips and chains at least clicking "BDSM" at Literotica eliminates 85% of the stories you have no interest in.) Or is it to demonize and marginalize?

Don't worry about it; just let them do their thing...

I think sex researchers have found that many, if not most, people are at least a bit bisexual.

I agree. Depending on where you draw the line at sex. By Literotica standards (thinking about it) most of us have committed incest and two other things that will get you banned from this site. Most people have probably seen their parents or siblings naked, and played "doctor" or "house," likely with a blood relative. The US-CDC-P says most Americans become sexually active at least two years before the story can be written about here.

My first experiences (that Literotica, but not necessarily I, and certainly not President Clinton, would consider sexual in nature) were with other females and a male blood relative. They were all incredibly positive and empowering and I continue to have social interactions with all of them to this day. I don't think that "this" is abnormal in society at large. It is absolutely not within my age, cultural, socio-economic, and educational cohort.

Once they find a certain "trigger" event, then they have to admit to themselves that they have that hidden side.

People are very adept at self-deception.

My parents were hippies (tune-in, turn-on, and drop-out) who became professors at a well known university. They questioned authority, but also listened to the answer authority provided. They rejected some of the answer given, but also accepted some.

They had status and made enough money for us to live as the fiscally poorest family in an incredibly affluent neighborhood if we planned our expenses carefully. The "rules" have never applied to the affluent and connected. I had to be careful, sometimes the "rules" applied and sometimes they did not.

Many throughout history have been gay or bisexual without having to deal with fallout, millionaires, US senators, governors, authors, movie stars, allegedly two presidents, generals, kings, queens and other nobles...

But some people live in far more modest situations where because of laws or social norms being gay or bisexual is not an easy option. So, like with non-con, just doing it with another girl to please a guy can be a way of absolving oneself of responsibility.

 

[Carnevil9]

As the great philosopher Dennis Finch said: "All women are two drinks away from a girl-on-girl adventure."

 

[Hypoxia]

"I'm not really into incest. I just suck my [brother's cock | sister's tits] every now and then." Right. Work that into a loss-of-innocence storyline.

 

[Qubiquitous]

"I'm not really into incest. I just suck my [brother's cock | sister's tits] every now and then." Right. Work that into a loss-of-innocence storyline.

Totally do-able-- it might have to be published elsewhere though. (Like any other realistic LoI story.) Because...

People are very adept at self-deception.

Rationalization too. (IE: "Sex is what you do to make a baby, they said so in church and school, THEREFORE if it can't make a baby... Oral, anal, masturbation, the "safe" half of the month... It isn't sex, so "no mas." We believe it because we WANT to believe it...

 

[Qubiquitous]

As the great philosopher Dennis Finch said: "All women are two drinks away from a girl-on-girl adventure."

It's 10PM, I've had a shot and a beer... Gotta go.

 

[DanDraper]

Maybe instead of a straight up lesbian story, those two girls are making out with each at a party to get the attention of a hot guy they like and though it would be a good way go get him away from the other women around him. The idea is to get him to pick between them but things get out of hand and all three of them are in bed together and those two girls end up having fun with each other.



....

 

[Bramblethorn]

I've heard this line or something similar several times - a girl who says, "Well, I'm not a lesbian or anything, but I have messed around a bit with my girlfriend."

From there, details vary depending on the woman. Most often, it turns out to be something like this:

"Oh, my girlfriend and I would make out at parties just to get the guys going, but we never really did anything more than kiss."

So, is there a point of no return? Kissing is okay, as long as you don't touch each other's tits?

Feeling each other up is okay, as long as you don't go beneath their t-shirt?

Sucking on a nipple is cool, as long as you don't touch each other's pussies?

I bet the eagle-eyed readers of this forum have already begun to pick up on the story idea that I don't plan on writing - two girls who keep kidding themselves until they go all the way.

How about making some suggestions for what else they might do along the way to "not being a lesbian." How far can they get and still justify it away as "I'm not a lesbo!"

All the way and back, as many times as they like, if they're aware that "bisexual" is an option.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I've heard this line or something similar several times - a girl who says, "Well, I'm not a lesbian or anything, but I have messed around a bit with my girlfriend."

From there, details vary depending on the woman. Most often, it turns out to be something like this:

"Oh, my girlfriend and I would make out at parties just to get the guys going, but we never really did anything more than kiss."

So, is there a point of no return? Kissing is okay, as long as you don't touch each other's tits?

Feeling each other up is okay, as long as you don't go beneath their t-shirt?

Sucking on a nipple is cool, as long as you don't touch each other's pussies?

I bet the eagle-eyed readers of this forum have already begun to pick up on the story idea that I don't plan on writing - two girls who keep kidding themselves until they go all the way.

How about making some suggestions for what else they might do along the way to "not being a lesbian." How far can they get and still justify it away as "I'm not a lesbo!"

I do have stories like that, except they are another site because of Lit's restrictions. (And also because I entered a contest on that site.) But these, so far, cover some incidents in the lives of four women up to the age of twenty-two.

Generally they just admit that they are bisexual or lean that way, and they make no bones about it. One of them goes back to dating only men for a good four years (her time in college). But then she gets her first female roommate after graduation, and she quickly winds up in bed with the other woman.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

What is the point of having a "label?" Is it to simplify getting what you want?

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People are very adept at self-deception.

Welcome to the madness, Qubiquitous.

While I'm not one to get caught up in labels, that's not a common trait. Lots of people seem to walk around with a built-in threshold. As long as you stay below that threshold, you're fine, but once you pass this arbitrary line, this one right over here, the invisible one that is drawn in the sand near the tide line - yeah, that line! Cross that one and someone is going to stick a label on you.

I find the point-of-denial aspect interesting. Maybe guys are more sensitive to being labeled gay or bi than women? Hmm, I haven't thought much about that.

Like, I'm not gay, if all I did was let the other guy suck my dick. It's not like I did anything to him, right? LOL

 

[Qubiquitous]

Maybe guys are more sensitive to being labeled gay or bi than women? Hmm, I haven't thought much about that.

Like, I'm not gay, if all I did was let the other guy suck my dick. It's not like I did anything to him, right? LOL

Absolutely, going back to biblical times. Guys with guys the way Greek warriors did was a capital offence, two girls was no big deal. Write a story here where two women kiss or make out, nobody will object to it's placement in any category. Make an oblique reference like I did in a now deleted (not by moi) story where the guys in a M-F-M relationship refer to the gal as a "way to have sex with one another without being gay" and you will get pommeled.

There used to be a joke that Will Truman (Will & Grace) was the "most accepted gay man in America because he never had sex with anyone."

How sad.

 

[LupusDei]

There's a few extreme statements to ponder on:

1. Sex is only if there's risk of pregnancy.
2. Nobody's absolutely straight.
3. Monogamy is a delusion.

Neither may be right, but none are wrong. Now, absolutely nothing they may do together can cross the line.