Japanese official warns US of surprise attack on Hawaii — from Russia and China

[Counselor706]

Russia and China are coordinating military exercises to threaten not only Taiwan but also Hawaii, according to a senior Japanese defense official who warned the United States to beware of a Pearl Harbor-style surprise attack.

“We have to show the deterrence towards China, and not just China but also the Russians, because, as I told you, that they are doing their exercises together,” Japanese deputy Yasuhide Nakayama told the Hudson Institute this week.

Taiwan’s vulnerability to an invasion from mainland China has become a preoccupation of Indo-Pacific strategists in recent months, as Chinese Communist forces escalate their military drills around the island. Nakayama, who was unusually frank about the need for democratic nations to ensure Taiwan’s survival, implied that Russia and China are working as allies preparing for a major conflict.

Nakayama emphasized throughout the talk that tensions in the Indo-Pacific have a direct bearing on American security, especially in light of coordination between China and Russia. He drove home the point by raising the specter of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, which provoked the U.S. military intervention in the Second World War.

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[pecksniff]

What would be the strategic goal of an attack on Hawaii?

 

[CornusKousa]

What would be the strategic goal of an attack on Hawaii?

Cut the south pacific off, put 2400 more miles of sea between the nearest major US base and Taiwan/South China Sea.

Make "big guns" re-enforcements/aid to allies there a solid 4-6 days further away.

If they were going to do it, now when the federal government and 80+ million Americans would love and embrace their new CCP-overlords, the military is worried about making sure everyone gets a participation trophy and considers itself more of a social equity program than a fighting force, would be the time to come hit us.

 

[pecksniff]

Cut the south pacific off, put 2400 more miles of sea between the nearest major US base and Taiwan/South China Sea.

So, we're talking about a Taiwan-PRC war? That has been wargamed many times, the mainland always loses.

 

[CornusKousa]

So, we're talking about a Taiwan-PRC war?

Possibly, might engage other south and East China sea targets as well that China has been very open about it's desire to unify with (expand).

Remember some of those countries are either totally or majority ethnically Chinese, and China sees them as China, because 1 China policy.

These places include Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and both Philippine and Japanese islands.

If there is to be a WWIII any time in the near future, it's almost certain it will be around China and it's desire to basically own and control all of Asia.

That has been wargamed many times, the mainland always loses.

Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.

 

[pecksniff]

Possibly, might engage other south and East China sea targets as well that China has been very open about it's desire to unify with (expand).

Remember some of those countries are either totally or majority ethnically Chinese, and China sees them as China, because 1 China policy.

These places include Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and both Philippine and Japanese islands.

If there is to be a WWIII any time in the near future, it's almost certain it will be around China and it's desire to basically own and control all of Asia.

That is something we could easily afford to let them have.

 

[CornusKousa]

That is something we could easily afford to let them have.

Yes, as much as we could afford to let the Nazis take Europe.

 

[WillJ8787]

What would be the strategic goal of an attack on Hawaii?

Lol...right! What a moron!

 

[Champakian]

What would be the strategic goal of an attack on Hawaii?

You have to be shitting me. The fleet is still there.

History much?

 

[Champakian]

That is something we could easily afford to let them have.

Yeah, a blackmailer is always contented by the initial payout...

 

[CornusKousa]

Yeah, a blackmailer is always contented by the initial payout...

He's just a CCP fan boy and is hoping they land in California so he can welcome them with open arms.

 

[ll74]

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Interesting.

The Taiwan situation is concerning on multiple fronts. They are a sovereign nation, but the UN lets China speak for them. I don't get it.

Putin is aggressively posturing all over the world. The next six months will dictate the G7 response to that aggression. Our allies and us need to speak with one voice. I was not happy with Biden's pipeline bullshit there....bad move and I'm sure he got an earfull at the summit.

 

[CornusKousa]

Interesting.

The Taiwan situation is concerning on multiple fronts. They are a sovereign nation, but the UN lets China speak for them. I don't get it.

Because the UN doesn't recognize them as a sovereign nation....wouldn't want to upset China!!

Putin is aggressively posturing all over the world.

Almost as much as Xi...the comrade of all comrades.

The next six months will dictate the G7 response to that aggression. Our allies and us need to speak with one voice. I was not happy with Biden's pipeline bullshit there....bad move and I'm sure he got an earfull at the summit.

Depends, will China be upset if they do anything???

If it is, they wont' do shit.

 

[Champakian]

What amazes me is the Left's continued excoriation of the US over slavery
and their overwhelming silence when it comes to China's use of slave labor.

 

[ll74]

Because the UN doesn't recognize them as a sovereign nation....wouldn't want to upset China!!

I literally said that in what you quoted.

Almost as much as Xi...the comrade of all comrades.

Debatable. China is aggressive with corporate and monetary moves. Russia uses its military.

Depends, will China be upset if they do anything???

If it is, they wont' do shit.

China is difficult to manage diplomatically. Lots of our rare minerals, which supply electronic manufacturing, comes from China. And with so much federalized control, standing up to them can have much more extensive consequences.

 

[WillJ8787]

What amazes me is the Left's continued excoriation of the US over slavery
and their overwhelming silence when it comes to China's use of slave labor.

I guess you are for the model of fixing other folks houses first before your own?

 

[WillJ8787]

Look . Me thinks
I saw a commie

 

[jaF0]

They are a sovereign nation, but the UN lets China speak for them.

Not really:

"The island was annexed in 1683 by the Qing dynasty of China, and ceded to the Empire of Japan in 1895. The Republic of China, which had overthrown the Qing in 1911, took control of Taiwan on behalf of the World War II Allies following the surrender of Japan in 1945. The resumption of the Chinese Civil War resulted in the ROC's loss of mainland China to forces of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and retreat to Taiwan in 1949."

"The political status of Taiwan is contentious. The ROC no longer represents China as a member of the United Nations, after UN members voted in 1971 to recognize the PRC instead. Meanwhile, the ROC continued to claim to be the legitimate representative of China and its territory, although this has been downplayed since its democratization in the 1990s. Taiwan is claimed by the PRC, which refuses diplomatic relations with countries that recognise the ROC. Taiwan maintains official diplomatic relations with 14 out of 193 UN member states and the Holy See,[30][31] though many others maintain unofficial diplomatic ties with Taiwan through representative offices and institutions that function as de facto embassies and consulates. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

I'm not really sure it even qualifies as a country in conventional terms. It's more like the former government of mainland China in exile.

 

[Champakian]

I guess you are for the model of fixing other folks houses first before your own?

I have no idea as to what point you are trying to make.
I guess it made sense in you mind...

 

[ll74]

What amazes me is the Left's continued excoriation of the US over slavery
and their overwhelming silence when it comes to China's use of slave labor.

Seems fairly bipartisan to me ....no silence.

 

[ll74]

Not really:

"The island was annexed in 1683 by the Qing dynasty of China, and ceded to the Empire of Japan in 1895. The Republic of China, which had overthrown the Qing in 1911, took control of Taiwan on behalf of the World War II Allies following the surrender of Japan in 1945. The resumption of the Chinese Civil War resulted in the ROC's loss of mainland China to forces of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and retreat to Taiwan in 1949."

"The political status of Taiwan is contentious. The ROC no longer represents China as a member of the United Nations, after UN members voted in 1971 to recognize the PRC instead. Meanwhile, the ROC continued to claim to be the legitimate representative of China and its territory, although this has been downplayed since its democratization in the 1990s. Taiwan is claimed by the PRC, which refuses diplomatic relations with countries that recognise the ROC. Taiwan maintains official diplomatic relations with 14 out of 193 UN member states and the Holy See,[30][31] though many others maintain unofficial diplomatic ties with Taiwan through representative offices and institutions that function as de facto embassies and consulates. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

I'm not really sure it even qualifies as a country in conventional terms. It's more like the former government of mainland China in exile.

Annexation is bullshit imo. They should be recognized.

 

[CornusKousa]

I literally said that in what you quoted.

I don't think that word means what you think it means....

Debatable. China is aggressive with corporate and monetary moves. Russia uses its military.

Dude, China has been building military basses through the south China sea....in international waters and in some cases asserting authority over others islands.

China is difficult to manage diplomatically. Lots of our rare minerals, which supply electronic manufacturing, comes from China. And with so much federalized control, standing up to them can have much more extensive consequences.

Yea.

And the alternative is to be Democrats....
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d61504222333bd7bf9e0fd0541262e32/tumblr_nuq30eJhhk1ucfegyo1_500.gifv

And lick CCP boots.

 

[jaF0]

Annexation is bullshit imo. They should be recognized.

That's not the point. China annexed the island 400 years ago. They gave it to Japan, then took it back. It was part of China before many other governments today existed. It was only the fleeing former Chinese leaderships holed up there in '49 that any of this became an issue.

Think of Donny and his cohorts trying to take over in late '20 and being pushed off to Long Island and creating a separate government stronghold.

 

[CornusKousa]

What amazes me is the Left's continued excoriation of the US over slavery
and their overwhelming silence when it comes to China's use of slave labor.

It's pretty funny isn't it.

I guess you are for the model of fixing other folks houses first before your own?

Ours was fixd over 150 years ago now.

Wake up son.

I have no idea as to what point you are trying to make.
I guess it made sense in you mind...

He's trying to pretend the USA has a slavery/genocide problem that makes us no better than China and we should fix our own problems before saying anything about his PRESCIOUS CCP.

 

[Champakian]

The Left will never believe that the problem has been "fixed."
Their philosophy is a polity of grievance, victims and oppressors.

What they fail to do in grandiose fashion is to hold places
such as China to the same standard the apply to their home.

Roger Scruton has defined this as Oikophobia, the fear of the known.