"young looking" preference character

[Chris6160]

I apologize if this gets eye rolls and "read rule #1" reactions but I can't seem to find any direct references to it.

I have a side character in one of my stories who is a much older gentleman who prefers partners who look young. To that end, his (trophy) wife is a young 20s woman who is shorter and has minimal curves, and also plays into his fetish/perversion with hairstyles and clothing.

I am considering putting in a sex scene involving her where she's roleplaying being young and naive, not to the point of being a little girl but definitely immature behavior evoking the idea of a younger teenager.

I'm wondering if this is going to get slapped down because of the 18+ rule. I wouldn't think so because the characters involved are stated to be well into their 20s or older and it's clearly roleplay, but there's the "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and you call it a hawk" argument to consider. I also recently got a story rejected because I had a bunch of college age characters and one of them commented that one of the girls "had the body of a 12 year old" and that was apparently unacceptable.

 

[KeithD]

Roleplaying to the point of "it could be taken as underage" is out, yes. It can be a crap shoot on whether or not that's the impression the submissions editor will take.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't know the answer based on personal experience, but from everything I've seen you can pull this off if you do it the right way.

First of all, before you get into the role play clearly establish that the character is in her early twenties.

Second, always make it clear as a narrator that the character is in her twenties playing a younger character. Don't fudge it as a narrator and make it seem to the reader that she really is underage.

Perhaps include short scenes or snippets of narrative or dialogue that establish who the character really is.

It's one thing to write a story about older characters who pretend to be someone else. It's another if your story crosses the line and immerses the reader in an experience that's tantamount to pedophiliac content. That's what the Site Owner is trying to avoid. So be mindful of that, don't cross that line, and you'll probably be OK.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

If it might become central to your story, you could PM Laurel, the owner, and ask her opinion before submitting. She’s answered me when I did so and it could have saved me a lot of time had her decision been No.

 

[KeithD]

First of all, before you get into the role play clearly establish that the character is in her early twenties.

Second, always make it clear as a narrator that the character is in her twenties playing a younger character. Don't fudge it as a narrator and make it seem to the reader that she really is underage.

I don't think so. I think the focus will be on the perceived age of the role-played character and if that is considered under 18, it won't fly here. I don't think the decision hinges on the actual given age of the character.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

My perception would be another author trying to skirt the under 18 rule.

 

[oggbashan]

If he was seventy but looked forty - it would work, but a woman looking like a teenager? No.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't think so. I think the focus will be on the perceived age of the role-played character and if that is considered under 18, it won't fly here. I don't think the decision hinges on the actual given age of the character.

I guess I wonder how far this prohibition goes. Suppose you have a story about a 30 year old woman and a 50 year old man, and she dons a schoolgirl outfit and he plays a teacher and they play. It seems absurd to me that such a story would be banned. I can't make out what the parameters of this limitation are, but if it banned the scenario I described it would be ridiculous.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I guess I wonder how far this prohibition goes. Suppose you have a story about a 30 year old woman and a 50 year old man, and she dons a schoolgirl outfit and he plays a teacher and they play. It seems absurd to me that such a story would be banned. I can't make out what the parameters of this limitation are, but if it banned the scenario I described it would be ridiculous.

This is key:

To that end, his (trophy) wife is a young 20s woman who is shorter and has minimal curves, and also plays into his fetish/perversion with hairstyles and clothing... but definitely immature behavior evoking the idea of a younger teenager.

Any sexual content and description within those parameters is going to evoke a young teen, both in looks and behaviour. I can't see that passing Go.

 

[holliday1960]

I guess I wonder how far this prohibition goes. Suppose you have a story about a 30 year old woman and a 50 year old man, and she dons a schoolgirl outfit and he plays a teacher and they play. It seems absurd to me that such a story would be banned. I can't make out what the parameters of this limitation are, but if it banned the scenario I described it would be ridiculous.

Simon, IF the woman is 5'2" or under, flat chested, wears her hair in pigtails, likes lollipops, dresses in rubber-underpants??? Laurel has laid down the rules and IF you portray your character as child-like, then you're NOT going to post on Lit until and unless that rule changes. From the OP's OWN words, this is what they are trying to achieve... making a woman portray a child in roleplay. The answer is gonna be a resounding NO.

 

[KeithD]

I guess I wonder how far this prohibition goes. Suppose you have a story about a 30 year old woman and a 50 year old man, and she dons a schoolgirl outfit and he plays a teacher and they play. It seems absurd to me that such a story would be banned. I can't make out what the parameters of this limitation are, but if it banned the scenario I described it would be ridiculous.

The whole underage policy is contrived. There are surely reasons for it, although I don't think I've seen the site admin actually give the reasons. That said, it's a private business. They don't have say anything more than "we don't want it here."

But, yes, I think a 30-year-old woman role-playing a 15-year-old for a 50-year-old man sits smack dab in what isn't (is not) acceptable at Literotica. What their real ages are has nothing to do with the move to play arousal for underage sex. That whole role-playing scenario is playing the underage sex card.

 

[jaF0]

I really do not understand why so many people keep trying to find ways to get around this.

It's pretty obvious what the OP is seeking to portray.

 

[XerXesXu]

I guess I wonder how far this prohibition goes. Suppose you have a story about a 30 year old woman and a 50 year old man, and she dons a schoolgirl outfit and he plays a teacher and they play. It seems absurd to me that such a story would be banned. I can't make out what the parameters of this limitation are, but if it banned the scenario I described it would be ridiculous.

Something like this:

“He held, a brand new school uniform up against her, “I bought it for you; I think you'll find it’s a perfect fit.”
Bethany could see it was her size.
“And,” he continued, “because you're an adult now, you can wear your skirt six inches above your knee, just to the bottom of your stocking tops, and, you can wear high heels, like the wayward girls. Would you like to try it on and I'll take you for a walk in the park so I can see how you behave.”
“Yes, I’d like that. And I’ll be a very well behaved girl, Sir,” said Bethany.
“Yes, I'm sure you have the best intentions, but in my experience wayward girls find it difficult to behave in a seemly manner for very long.”
Unsure of what Hunter planned to do in the park, Bethany asked, “There are no school knickers. Will it be more convenient for you if I don’t wear knickers to the park, Sir?”
Hunter fixed her with a steely stare, “Now, that's quite enough, if you carry on with that attitude I'll certainly lay you over my knee and properly tan your backside when we get home.”
“Really! I’ve never been spanked properly before. I’m not going to wear any knickers and I think I’m going to be very naughty in the park, Sir.”

I knew we could agree on something.

 

[Rustyoznail]

I suspect Laurel has tightened the rule a bit more recently. I edited a story that had the line “it was infamous for young men watching porn.”

That was flagged for underage. Changed young to single, and off it went.

You will need to be very explicit with your age description.

 

[SimonDoom]

This is key:


Any sexual content and description within those parameters is going to evoke a young teen, both in looks and behaviour. I can't see that passing Go.

I think you nailed it. I overlooked that line in the OP's post.

I think there's a subtle but important distinction. Now, I don't know Laurel, and maybe she totally disagrees and thinks there's no distinction at all. So Holliday1960 and KeithD could be completely right about this, and in any event my opinion is irrelevant. But hear me out:

If the story DOES make clear that the woman is well over 20, and the story/narrator doesn't make her out to appear underage, and flat-chested, etc., then it would seem to me it ought to be OK to have a story where two characters role-play, because the kink being manifested isn't the reader thinking the woman really is underage. The kink is in the role play -- two older people pretending. I think that's different. Some may disagree, and maybe Laurel agrees with you.

 

[ElectricBlue]

If the story DOES make clear that the woman is well over 20, and the story/narrator doesn't make her out to appear underage, and flat-chested, etc., then it would seem to me it ought to be OK to have a story where two characters role-play, because the kink being manifested isn't the reader thinking the woman really is underage. The kink is in the role play -- two older people pretending. I think that's different. Some may disagree, and maybe Laurel agrees with you.

That would be a quirky story and, if the protagonists were clearly portrayed as adults, I wouldn't see a problem. The layer of kink could easily be portrayed with a thirty year old in a role-play. That's very different to the OP wanting to portray young teenage behaviour from a young looking twenty-something woman.

In my mind it's the portrayal of age, psychologically more so than physically, that's the key. I've read plenty of stories with petite women who are very clearly portrayed as adults, not teenage children, even though the descriptions of bodies could be either.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

Long ramble incoming…

There’s (probably) nothing wrong with having an older character put on a school uniform, even if it somehow involved a character trying to 'reclaim their youthful side'. I’ve done it in a story and it got through moderation without a hitch. With that said, the character in question had been established as mature, adult, and over 18 for like 30 chapters before that scene. Oh, and I had the disclaimer on the front + the scene was treated with a touch of self-awareness, e.g. characters acknowledged it was a bit of playful fun and that they weren’t overly 'serious'.

What you seem to be trying goes beyond just that though, and I assume there’ll be age regression evident in the pillow talk/narration. My advice on getting the nuance right would be to do some research by watching 'mainstream' porn that features the themes you’re trying to include. I’m talking about a site/production company that makes its customers pay, keeps all the necessary records, and has a good reputation for how it treats performers and sexual health. If you can figure out how they manage to present a 21-year-old talent as 'teen' (with pigtails and all) without triggering the ick-factor for their million+ viewere, or breaching the law, you could have a good start. (Look at something recent though.)

You could do the same with erotica. There are similar themes in a lot of stories on this site, and on the broader marketplace.

Basically, what you’re trying to do does happen (quite a lot) albeit to maybe a lesser extent. In fact, it’s a staple of modern pornography and erotica. So, why not try and learn from history? With that said, I do think you’ll probably have to tone it down from what you’re envisaging.

 

[gordo12]

My perception would be another author trying to skirt the under 18 rule.

I guess what everybody isn't getting is this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mastercard-ends-card-use-on-pornhub-1.5836289

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...d-abuse-allegations-against-pornhub-1.5833247

The NYTimes published an article in Dec claiming Pornhub was full of pedophile and rape videos that caused a furor. They were cut off by the credit card companies and the usual politicians were up in arms. Pornhub denied the charges but with social media in a full uproar, nobody was listening.

As we all have seen in the past it isn't always about the truth anymore.

The internet (websites) can't exist without credit cards to pay for the goods and services...such as the cam girls offered here.

Lit is one of the largest (porn?) sites going. Can you blame them for trying to stay well away from the line legally?

The rules about rape and age may appear convoluted but I agree with the reasoning. This is L&M's livelihood and I doubt they want to get swept up in the current bullshit.

Edit: The NYTimes article is behind a paywall so I didn't include it.

 

[holliday1960]

Long ramble incoming…

You could do the same with erotica. There are similar themes in a lot of stories on this site, and on the broader marketplace.

Basically, what you’re trying to do does happen (quite a lot) albeit to maybe a lesser extent. In fact, it’s a staple of modern pornography and erotica. So, why not try and learn from history? With that said, I do think you’ll probably have to tone it down from what you’re envisaging.

Here's the thing about what you, Simon, and a lot of others are seemingly overlooking: The buck stops with Laurel. As Keith said, no one here is privy to the whys-and-whatnots of the rule's existence... except that it is... and that it's a hardline. As writers, we've been given the hardline parameters already. Now as a human, if I gave you my hardlines ahead of us engaging in sex, and you (generally speaking) wanted to skirt around them, change them, move them, twist them a little...force the issue... there not only COULD be some serious repercussions if you persist, but I promise you, there WILL be.

I'm always astounded to read that people 'can't find the rule explained anywhere'. What explanation is needed? What they really mean is, 'I can't find a loophole in the rule anywhere'. And for the record, I like this rule far less than any other member of Lit. I don't like wearing seatbelts either, but I respect the rules of the playground.

 

[SimonDoom]

Here's the thing about what you, Simon, and a lot of others are seemingly overlooking: The buck stops with Laurel. .

I'm not overlooking that at all. I know it and assume it. However, I'm less confident than some that we know what Laurel will do, and perhaps somewhat more confident that there are ways of crafting the story to get by Laurel's filter. I've read Literotica stories that would not pass muster under the standard some here seem to think applies. Things slip through the cracks all the time at Literotica, or perhaps it's more accurate to say Laurel's standards are a bit more mysterious than we like to think.

 

[lovecraft68]

If he was seventy but looked forty - it would work, but a woman looking like a teenager? No.

18 is a teenager.

Ever here of Barely Legal? Hustler made the term and look famous. There are porn stars out there who look so young I find it too uncomfortable to watch, but they're of age. Also, there are some guys lately who have that look If anyone here is a big porn fan they've heard of "Gordy" who other than what's between his legs looks like a 90lb 12 year old. But all that matters is he's 18(older at this point I'm sure he's been around a bit at this point)

Try being objective for once and stop screaming that everything is underage.

 

[lovecraft68]

Here's the real solution, albeit too late in this case.

Just write the story and put it through and see what happens. Don't come here and call attention to yourself so some forum hall monitor can report your story. Don't put a note explaining anything in the notes or beginning of the story, just see what happens.

I don't advocate doing this for people who are writing about 14 year olds or something blatantly underage, but in this case where its a game between established adults, that's a different story.

 

[jaF0]

Things to note:

* OP hasn't returned.

* Last cuppla threads on this topic were locked.

 

[holliday1960]

Things to note:

* OP hasn't returned.

* Last cuppla threads on this topic were locked.

Ah, but you're wrong, JAF. He or She was back just an hour ago... checking to see how the argument was raging (again) on the AH. It must be so amusing to some to watch this same scenario unfold at least once every 10 days or so.
Hope everyone has fun with the next event. Summer Lovin's not too far ahead. Good Luck.

 

[RejectReality]

The consensus used to be that the scene could not be taken out of the story, read alone, and look like underage if the story was going to pass. You had to call attention to the fact that the 'young' character was of age and it was role-play throughout the scene. Not really all the difficult, if that's genuinely the kink you're aiming for.

In recent years, reports have largely leaned toward a complete prohibition on age-play. Whether that's all people crossing the line and leaving out that detail, or whether the standards have changed isn't known at this time.