Trump's insane Requests to the DOJ

[ll74]

Emails from the WH to the DoJ were nuts.

"The Tuesday of that week, the President's team sent DOJ a draft lawsuit that DOJ was to bring to dispute the election result"

Yah, this is not how a President should be expecting the DOJ to act.

 

[Rightguide]

Emails from the WH to the DoJ were nuts.

"The Tuesday of that week, the President's team sent DOJ a draft lawsuit that DOJ was to bring to dispute the election result"

Yah, this is not how a President should be expecting the DOJ to act.

Why not, if federal law has been violated?

 

[ll74]

Why not, if federal law has been violated?

That's up to the DOJ to review and determine. (They did and there wasn't) Presidents certainly have the right to ask the DOJ to review situations if they believe the law has been violated.

Drafting an actual case and then asking the DOJ to sign on, isn't that.

 

[Rightguide]

That's up to the DOJ to review and determine. (They did and there wasn't) Presidents certainly have the right to ask the DOJ to review situations if they believe the law has been violated.

Drafting an actual case and then asking the DOJ to sign on, isn't that.

That's bullshit. The DOJ is subordinate to the President who has the plenary power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed," When those laws are not being executed the President is well within his rights to instruct the DOJ to do so. You might want to review the case of The Jewels of the Princess of Orange, 2 Opin. 482 (1831); and note the discussion of presidential prerogatives outlined by B. Wyman, The Principles of the Administrative Law Governing the Relations of Public Officers 231–32 (1903).

 

[ll74]

That's bullshit. The DOJ is subordinate to the President who has the plenary power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed," When those laws are not being executed the President is well within his rights to instruct the DOJ to do so. You might want to review the case of The Jewels of the Princess of Orange, 2 Opin. 482 (1831); and note the discussion of presidential prerogatives outlined by B. Wyman, The Principles of the Administrative Law Governing the Relations of Public Officers 231–32 (1903).

So your position is that the President determines when laws have been broken and the instructs the DoJ to prosecute and also has his personal lawyers provide lawsuits that should be filed by the Federal Government.

 

[pecksniff]

Why not, if federal law has been violated?

Nobody in all the world has any reason to believe that. Trump's lawyers filed 60 lawsuits and could never provide a shred of evidence in any of them. The only reason these requests went out was because Trump could not believe he could lose.

 

[Rightguide]

So your position is that the President determines when laws have been broken and the instructs the DoJ to prosecute and also has his personal lawyers provide lawsuits that should be filed by the Federal Government.

I didn't say that and you know it. I said, if the President determines the laws are not being executed by the DOJ, he has every right to demand they be properly administered. I'm looking at the attached emails and I do not see a direct order from the President that orders the DOJ or the AG to do anything.

 

[Rightguide]

Nobody in all the world has any reason to believe that. Trump's lawyers filed 60 lawsuits and could never provide a shred of evidence in any of them. The only reason these requests went out was because Trump could not believe he could lose.

Don't be silly. You are not a serious person.

 

[ll74]

I didn't say that and you know it. I said, if the President determines the laws are not being executed by the DOJ, he has every right to demand they be properly administered. I'm looking at the attached emails and I do not see a direct order from the President that orders the DOJ or the AG to do anything.

You can talk about theoretically, but this discussion is a bout what actually occurred.
Trump literally had his lawyers provide a lawsuit for the DOJ to consider filing. That is not at all normal and certainly not ethical.

 

[pecksniff]

Don't be silly. You are not a serious person.

I'm right and you know it.