Filibuster, I Barely Knew Her

[ll74]

Just a post to discuss the pros and cons of this long-standing Senate rule

I tend to side with keeping long-standing rules, such as this. My main argument for this is that no for each law you believe would be helped by removing this, policies you may oppose will also be helped by this.

These days, no filibuster is even needed...no one is required to hold the floor and talk the whole time. So they can threaten one without even needing the work.

Arguments for and against the filibuster, 2021

Long article regarding ending speaking during a filibuster

 

[YDB95]

The Senate is already anti-democratic to begin with; the filibuster brings it to absurd levels. If they are going to keep it, I'm of the belief that they ought to have to actually stand there in the well and talk. I'd prefer to abolish it entirely, but I'd settle for that.

 

[CornusKousa]

The Senate is already anti-democratic to begin with; the filibuster brings it to absurd levels. If they are going to keep it, I'm of the belief that they ought to have to actually stand there in the well and talk. I'd prefer to abolish it entirely, but I'd settle for that.

That's the whole point of the Senate and the filibuster....to pump the breaks on democracy, making it hard to pass anything that isn't at least a little bipartisan.

I see why you centralized power and control types hate it so much.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The filibuster, as it currently stands, is nothing more than "tyranny of the minority" (part of the fringe-right's toxic shitsludge agenda, but I digress).

Having said that, I'm still in favor of a real filibuster...i.e. if you want to put a hold on a bill while you stand in the well of the Senate and debate it, go for it! But when you're done speaking...when EVERYONE who has something to say about a bill has had an opportunity to argue their point...THEN you go ahead and have an up-or-down vote on the bill. No tears.

None of this "gentlemens agreement" nonsense...that's a relic from a different age.

 

[CornusKousa]

The filibuster, as it currently stands, is nothing more than "tyranny of the minority" (part of the fringe-right's toxic shitsludge agenda, but I digress).

Having said that, I'm still in favor of a real filibuster...i.e. if you want to put a hold on a bill while you stand in the well of the Senate and debate it, go for it! But when you're done speaking...when EVERYONE who has something to say about a bill has had an opportunity to argue their point...THEN you go ahead and have an up-or-down vote on the bill. No tears.

None of this "gentlemens agreement" nonsense...that's a relic from a different age.

Man the authoritarian control freaks really want that Tyranny of the majority unleashed so they can bully and force whatever they want on all 50 states.

Comrades gotta commie....

 

[ll74]

The Senate is already anti-democratic to begin with; the filibuster brings it to absurd levels. If they are going to keep it, I'm of the belief that they ought to have to actually stand there in the well and talk. I'd prefer to abolish it entirely, but I'd settle for that.

The Senate is made to be about equal state representation in government and the House is made to be more about population representation. It's actually a good balance, but frustrates both sides of this argument, obviously.

I do believe it's gotten too easy for them to just threaten things, without putting in the work. They used to have catheters put in to keep talking.

 

[ll74]

The filibuster, as it currently stands, is nothing more than "tyranny of the minority" (part of the fringe-right's toxic shitsludge agenda, but I digress).

Having said that, I'm still in favor of a real filibuster...i.e. if you want to put a hold on a bill while you stand in the well of the Senate and debate it, go for it! But when you're done speaking...when EVERYONE who has something to say about a bill has had an opportunity to argue their point...THEN you go ahead and have an up-or-down vote on the bill. No tears.

None of this "gentlemens agreement" nonsense...that's a relic from a different age.

Well stated.

 

[ll74]

Man the authoritarian control freaks really want that Tyranny of the majority unleashed so they can bully and force whatever they want on all 50 states.

Comrades gotta commie....

If the minority doesn't provide a counter offer, it can be just a bullshit maneuver.

I believe the left bloats bills to the point of absurdity, but that's why compromise is key. The right has consistently either not provided any compromise or they've made an insincere one that they know is unrealistic to be countered.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Senate is made to be about equal state representation in government and the House is made to be more about population representation. It's actually a good balance, but frustrates both sides of this argument, obviously.

I do believe it's gotten too easy for them to just threaten things, without putting in the work. They used to have catheters put in to keep talking.

The Senate has morphed into an institution that gives disproportionate power to lightly populated "flyover country".

Merge North and South Dakota into one state "Dakota" and grant DC statehood would be an excellent first step towards levelling the playing field. It'll never happen, of course, because Negroes.

 

[CornusKousa]

If the minority doesn't provide a counter offer,

They don't nor should they have to provide anything other than a big fat "NO".

it can be just a bullshit maneuver.

I'm sure all the other pro simple-majority Democracy folks agree.

I believe the left bloats bills to the point of absurdity, but that's why compromise is key.

Yes, and if there is no compromise and bipartisanship it makes it awfully difficult for anything to go through, no simple majority bullying.

The right has consistently either not provided any compromise or they've made an insincere one that they know is unrealistic to be countered.

Yes, Democrats are rarely willing to compromise anymore than (R)'zz are....control freaks vs control freaks......that's why we have polarization.

 

[CornusKousa]

The Senate has morphed into an institution that gives disproportionate power to lightly populated "flyover country".

See how upset the little Stalin and Mao types get when they can't bully and control other citizens with a federal gun to their head???

Merge North and South Dakota into one state "Dakota" and grant DC statehood would be an excellent first step towards levelling the playing field. It'll never happen, of course, because Negroes.

Authoritarian control freak types can't ever get over the fact that someone living hundreds or even thousands of miles away might want to live a different lifestyle than they do.

So just erase their states, their rights and force them at the end of a federal gun anyhow!!! That's the "progressive", Rob and DNC way of things....good little Mao types.

Then race baiting because....racist gotta racist.

 

[ll74]

They don't nor should they have to provide anything other than a big fat "NO".

Their job is to govern. Do they have to compromise? No...should they be compelled by constituents to attempt to compromise? yes.

I'm sure all the other pro simple-majority Democracy folks agree.

Possibly.

Yes, and if there is no compromise and bipartisanship it makes it awfully difficult for anything to go through, no simple majority bullying.

There is always compromise available.

Yes, Democrats are rarely willing to compromise anymore than (R)'zz are....control freaks vs control freaks......that's why we have polarization.

I don't believe the current Congress reflects your comments.

The January 6 commission is a good example....they literally gave Republicans everything they asked for, and still no.

 

[ll74]

The Senate has morphed into an institution that gives disproportionate power to lightly populated "flyover country".

Merge North and South Dakota into one state "Dakota" and grant DC statehood would be an excellent first step towards levelling the playing field. It'll never happen, of course, because Negroes.

Well, again....it's about states having equal representation. It's not supposed to be about population density.

I am not sure where I line up on DC or PR statehood, but I'm not a proponent of doing it just to give more weight to one side of the argument.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hodor! Hodor!

The Senate has morphed into an institution that gives disproportionate power to lightly populated "flyover country".

Hodor!

Merge North and South Dakota into one state "Dakota" and grant DC statehood would be an excellent first step towards levelling the playing field. It'll never happen, of course, because Negroes.

Hodor!

As usual, BoBo adds nothing of substance to the conversation.

 

[CornusKousa]

Their job is to govern. Do they have to compromise? No...should they be compelled by constituents to attempt to compromise? yes.

Govern doesn't mean pass legislation just because it's put in front of you.

Why?? What if it's a horrible fucking bill?? Jim Crow 2.0....what would you expect (D)'s to compromise on so that Jim Crow can come back???

What would YOU compromise???

Or would you just tell the people trying to pass it to pound sound???

There is always compromise available.

REALLY....I'd like to hear about how open you are to brining Jim Crow back.

Maybe rounding up the Jews and putting them in ghettos, just to keep an eye on them of course!!

What compromise are you willing to make so those things can happen??

I don't believe the current Congress reflects your comments.

Of course not, it's just wonderous altruism and wonderful help when YOU and YOUR side pull the federal guns out and put them to peoples heads.

The January 6 commission is a good example....they literally gave Republicans everything they asked for, and still no.

Ask for asshole legislation don't be shot when you get a stink nugget in response.

 

[CornusKousa]

As usual, BoBo adds nothing of substance to the conversation.

That must be why you had to edit what I actually posted out.

The control freak wishes he could just silence those who disagree with him.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hodor!

As usual, BoBo adds nothing of substance to the conversation.

Hodor!

You mad, bro?

 

[ll74]

Govern doesn't mean pass legislation just because it's put in front of you.

Why?? What if it's a horrible fucking bill?? Jim Crow 2.0....what would you expect (D)'s to compromise on so that Jim Crow can come back???

When a party wins majority, that means the people voted for their policies. I am fine that some legislation is blocked when it's not supported widely, but that's not actually what is occurring.

What would YOU compromise???

Or would you just tell the people trying to pass it to pound sound???


REALLY....I'd like to hear about how open you are to brining Jim Crow back.

Maybe rounding up the Jews and putting them in ghettos, just to keep an eye on them of course!!

What compromise are you willing to make so those things can happen??

Your argument is dumb. Seriously...."rounding up the jews"? Hyperbolic much?

Of course not, it's just wonderous altruism and wonderful help when YOU and YOUR side pull the federal guns out and put them to peoples heads.



Ask for asshole legislation don't be shot when you get a stink nugget in response.

Seriously, go whine somewhere else, .....you're just ranting for the sake of ranting.

 

[phrodeau]

What’s with the federal gun to citizen’s head crap? Last time I saw a federal gun to someone’s head, it was an immigrant.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What’s with the federal gun to citizen’s head crap? Last time I saw a federal gun to someone’s head, it was an immigrant.

It's part of the "Taxes are theft! THEFT, dammit!" mantra.

It's like he has no idea where the money that funds his monthly welfare stipend comes from.....

 

[CornusKousa]

You mad, bro?

Looks like the projection has started early today

What’s with the federal gun to citizen’s head crap? Last time I saw a federal gun to someone’s head, it was an immigrant.

That's because you're an uneducated idiot and don't understand the concept of law.

It's part of the "Taxes are theft! THEFT, dammit!" mantra.

It's like he has no idea where the money that funds his monthly welfare stipend comes from.....

Rob doesn't understand either.

Then lies about it to try and cover it up.

How delightfully pathetic.

 

[Dribble]

Requiring 60 votes to move legislation forward IS the reason nothing gets accomplished. 95% of all legislation both parties agrees upon. But there is no compromise to just focus on that 95%. So change how the filibuster works. One does not have to get rid of it. But it is better for the country if we pass legislation instead of not.

Only Fascist traitors believe it is better to do nothing

 

[CornusKousa]

Requiring 60 votes to move legislation forward IS the reason nothing gets accomplished. 95% of all legislation both parties agrees upon. But there is no compromise to just focus on that 95%. So change how the filibuster works. One does not have to get rid of it. But it is better for the country if we pass legislation instead of not.

Only Fascist traitors believe it is better to do nothing

That assumes all legislation is good.

Thanks for demonstrating yet again, you have no fucking clue what fascism is.

 

[CornusKousa]

When a party wins majority, that means the people voted for their policies. I am fine that some legislation is blocked when it's not supported widely, but that's not actually what is occurring.


Your argument is dumb. Seriously...."rounding up the jews"? Hyperbolic much?


Seriously, go whine somewhere else, .....you're just ranting for the sake of ranting.

Nice deflections.

Why should there be compromise for garbage legislation???

What would YOU compromise so that (R)'s could pass HORRIBLE legislation??


I'm betting you and all the other "ALL LEGISLATION IS WONDERFUL!!!" tards stay running from those questions....

 

[phrodeau]

Looks like the projection has started early today



That's because you're an uneducated idiot and don't understand the concept of law.



Rob doesn't understand either.

Then lies about it to try and cover it up.

How delightfully pathetic.

Do you think that there’s a law requiring filibusters? There isn’t.