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[MiddleAgedMan]

Is there a list or thread somewhere that gives a more detailed rundown of what is 'correct' for the various categories? I realise this is not as simple as a bullet point list for each category or anything, and also that this is very much up to the author's intended crowd.

The reason I ask is because my intended story gets trapped between categories and becomes unpublishable it seems. It is a Mind Control story arc that is based on published works by a known author, and so it becomes celeb/Fanfic and non-con, which apparently is a no-go...

So I need to know what I need to alter or adapt to stay clear of the fanfic category, can there be slight references to his works, but not much and so on? Where is the border, so to speak. And for the record, I'm only borrowing the universe, my characters and time line are my own, set in an established world, only making historic reference to copyrighted characters.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Is there a list or thread somewhere that gives a more detailed rundown of what is 'correct' for the various categories? I realise this is not as simple as a bullet point list for each category or anything, and also that this is very much up to the author's intended crowd.

The reason I ask is because my intended story gets trapped between categories and becomes unpublishable it seems. It is a Mind Control story arc that is based on published works by a known author, and so it becomes celeb/Fanfic and non-con, which apparently is a no-go...

So I need to know what I need to alter or adapt to stay clear of the fanfic category, can there be slight references to his works, but not much and so on? Where is the border, so to speak. And for the record, I'm only borrowing the universe, my characters and time line are my own, set in an established world, only making historic reference to copyrighted characters.

I think you have to run through the hierarchy of rejection reasons.

Celeb/Fan-Fic using others creator's work as the starting point means no non-con - see extract below from the FAQ on rejection notices:

FAQ: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175666

We do not publish non-consent stories involving real-life people, groups/organizations, or copyrighted characters.

Self-explanatory. Literotica does not publish stories in which real people or copyright characters are involved in forced sexual situations.

So you're stopped straight out of the gate, if the site determines mind control is effectively the same as non-con. From previous threads on the matter, the site is rigid in its determinations on this - there's virtually no wriggle room.

 

[MiddleAgedMan]

I think you have to run through the hierarchy of rejection reasons.

Celeb/Fan-Fic using others creator's work as the starting point means no non-con - see extract below from the FAQ on rejection notices:

FAQ: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175666



So you're stopped straight out of the gate, if the site determines mind control is effectively the same as non-con. From previous threads on the matter, the site is rigid vin its determinations on this - there's virtually no wriggle room.

Thank you, that clarifies the rejection parameters, so to speak, and even if my first chapter is without 'actual' non-con, that would very much be the case for my later chapters, so that makes the entire story arc moot, in a sense.
Shame, really, I think I had a good story there. I will have to rethink the MC mechanics and move away from Mistborn, I think I can make that work.

 

[Payne_Hall]

Thank you, that clarifies the rejection parameters, so to speak, and even if my first chapter is without 'actual' non-con, that would very much be the case for my later chapters, so that makes the entire story arc moot, in a sense.
Shame, really, I think I had a good story there. I will have to rethink the MC mechanics and move away from Mistborn, I think I can make that work.

So, nothing new to add exactly, but did the story involve anything to do with soothing, rioting, using a spike, Inquisitors in general, or Marsh ?

 

[MiddleAgedMan]

So, nothing new to add exactly, but did the story involve anything to do with soothing, rioting, using a spike, Inquisitors in general, or Marsh ?

Hehe, both yes and no, it's about a couple of rioters, a young man and his, until recently, estranged uncle. The uncle is the mentor with a clouded past, guiding his nephew through the process of mastering his powers. I won't spoil too much in the hope I get Laurel to agree that I am not breaking protocol, so to speak, but there are definitive elements of BDSM, group sex, voyeurism, some non-con; absolute power corrupts and so on.

It's set around 150 years after Wax and Wayne, in a society roughly equivalent to earth anno 1980. Leather and Latex is very much a thing. IronEyes is not (yet?) a part of my arc, but who knows?

That is, if I'm allowed to publish it at all...

 

[AlinaX]

... my first chapter is without 'actual' non-con

Curious about the distinction between non-con and 'actual' non-con.

Hmm. Is a story about someone merely fantasising about rape technically not a story with actual non-con?

 

[Sextified]

The reason I ask is because my intended story - - -

If I understand correctly, you haven't actually written anything yet, only done some storyboarding and outlining?

Might I suggest something then?

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I hope that I am recounting this story correctly.

Dennis L. McKiernan was a big fan of Tolkien and his world. At one point he approached 'The Lord of the Rings' writer's estate for permission to add to that world, and was promptly but politely rejected.

His publisher suggested that he should do his own take on a similar world and story, but not attach or directly ally it to the famous trilogy. So he did just that. He basically started over, and explored his own take on the 'genre', and created his own world from scratch.

New characters. New names. New creatures.

Same coming of age and redemption story.

As an original reader of the Dennis L. McKiernan's "Iron Tower" trilogy, at it's first release well over three decades ago, I felt an odd sense of deja vu at first. But eventually, the other books took on their own feel and direction.

Can you do the same thing? Especially since you haven't gotten as far as McKiernan had? I am not familiar with your source series, but certainly you would be allowed to write in the same unique 'genre' it spawned among it's fans here, if you can get around the non-consent rules. Mind Control is a tricky subset, in my opinion.

In the real world wealthy powerful people, or simply enigmatic ones, use and abuse people all the time. Choice ALWAYS exists, although the corrupted situations can eliminate most of the good ones. If you write the people afflicted by YOUR story's magical power, so they could still overcome that undue influence, just at a price they are unlikely to be willing to pay? Or have a subset of people that WANT to be controlled, so they don't have to take any responsibility for their own desired actions? Is it MC or NonCon, if the people would be doing the same acts anyway?

Exploring that angle might get you around the non-consent problem.

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You just can't go head to head against Lit's rules, both the written and unwritten ones, and hope to win.

Why not take it on as an additional challenge, and write your own 'genre specific' story, and craft it to fit here?

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I have my own issues with the rules of Free or Semi-Free websites. My main characters suffered horrible abuse as children, but I have no problem with the restriction, nor the desire to explicitly portray ANY of that. I just deal with the aftermath, and focus on how all three of them try to heal themselves and each other, decades after that tragedy.

Both here, and especially my old website, such explicit material is thankfully banned. That is a good thing, especially if we all still want to have a place to express ourselves, and have readers to follow us.

Can you fully imagine your own unique but similar world, with the same 'feel', that follows the rules here?

 

[MiddleAgedMan]

Curious about the distinction between non-con and 'actual' non-con.

Hmm. Is a story about someone merely fantasising about rape technically not a story with actual non-con?

I write ‘actual’ since the only scene in my first chapter that deals with mind control in a non-consensual fashion is by means of a person influencing the emotions of a crowd, not controlling or anything, just making them all hornier, simply put. It only leads to established couples being more daring, nothing explicit at all, so while technically non-con, it’s not by much. Hence, ‘actual’.

 

[MiddleAgedMan]

If I understand correctly, you haven't actually written anything yet, only done some storyboarding and outlining?

Might I suggest something then?

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You just can't go head to head against Lit's rules, both the written and unwritten ones, and hope to win.

Why not take it on as an additional challenge, and write your own 'genre specific' story, and craft it to fit here?

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Can you fully imagine your own unique but similar world, with the same 'feel', that follows the rules here?

Just shortened the quote for simplicity.

I have quite a bit on paper already, around 30.000 words, the first two chapters essentially done, part 1 submitted already, so it’s a bit of a hassle to re-write, but not an unsurmountable task by any stretch.

And yes, I have started giving thought to just reinventing the story as my own, I’m sure I’ll be able to if I tweak the storyline a bit. The thing is, I think the fanfic/noncon ban does not apply to my story arc as I am only using the universe/world, none of the characters.

I have sent a message to Lauriel explaining my argument, will see what she lands on.

 

[PennameWombat]

I write ‘actual’ since the only scene in my first chapter that deals with mind control in a non-consensual fashion is by means of a person influencing the emotions of a crowd, not controlling or anything, just making them all hornier, simply put. It only leads to established couples being more daring, nothing explicit at all, so while technically non-con, it’s not by much. Hence, ‘actual’.

I've used a scenario very similar to what you describe (as I'm sure plenty of others have). A body-stealing alien (she's in the body of a young and beautiful redheaded woman) hypnotizes all of the adults in a church congregation to engage in a mass orgy, not only inside the church but outside and in the street. She wants to cause an event that will be reported on the news.

It's City of Angels in Erotic Horror. But all of the characters and even the church ('First Presleyterian Church of the Divine Pompadour') were all original, so I had no issue with real-life people. The only real elements were Los Angeles and a couple of landmarks (but not the church, it was on a never-named street to avoid matching to any real church.)

So the basic scenario isn't an issue.

 

[MiddleAgedMan]

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His publisher suggested that he should do his own take on a similar world and story, but not attach or directly ally it to the famous trilogy. So he did just that. He basically started over, and explored his own take on the 'genre', and created his own world from scratch.

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Can you fully imagine your own unique but similar world, with the same 'feel', that follows the rules here?

I slept on this and realised this would be my best option, thank you for pointing it out. I will be better off not challenging the whole copyrighted character/world-topic at all.

My revised story will (hopefully) be finished by this weekend, I'm changing the system and lore, but in such a way that I can mostly keep my finished scenes, adapting them rather than rewriting them. The more I think about this, the more I see how this will enable me to branch out rather than limit me, so as soon as I decided to do this, the possibilities opened up in a way.

I'm excited to see where I can go with this.

Bloodlines, Chapter 1 should be coming in a very near future.