NRA files for bankruptcy

[AlexBailey]

I already have, that's why I'm not arguing with the SCOTUS's decision.

Oh good. Then you understand that the right to keep and bear arms can and has been adjusted and infringed upon when it has been decided to be necessary for the benefit of society - a society that continues to change, and that it has happened within the framework of the constitution.

 

[CornusKousa]

Oh good. Then you understand that the right to keep and bear arms can and has been adjusted and infringed upon when it has been decided to be necessary for the benefit of society - a society that continues to change, and that it has happened within the framework of the constitution.

Shall not be infringed....the governments ability to regulate the individual right to armament is VERY restricted. This has already been to court a bunch of fucking times.

Again.....other than repealing 2A which you don't have anywhere near the support for....what are you going to to do???

That hasn't already been slapped down in court......

California, NY and NJ have been pushing that legal boundary for 30+ years now and have taken the restrictions as far as the courts will let you. Taking their models federal temporarily is all you've got.

That really the hill you think the (D)'s should die on this election cycle??

They have much bigger gains at hand for far less controversy and struggle.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There is a lot to unwrap in those rulings.

From Wiki:

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.[1] It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or if the right was intended for state militias.[2]


McDonald v. City of Chicago established that the Bill of Rights applies to the states and smaller jurisdictions by the 14th ammendment, so Heller became law of the land in the country.


There is a lot of room in there for adjusting regulations.

This is correct. While affirming individual’s right to keep and bear arms, the rulings do not mean the right cannot be subject to certain regulations. In the 18th and 19th centuries for example, there were restrictions on gun powder storage in city buildings. In the 20th century, machine guns and short barreled shotguns were banned (for most of us).

Here are the relevant implications of Heller in our time:

The notion that 2A only allows militia has been taken off the table. We all can own guns

The doctrine of “common use” has been established. This means while individuals can be prohibited from owning rocket launchers and machine guns, we do have the right to keep and bear arms in common use

That means our right to keep and bear AR15 rifles is the law of the land. They are the most popular rifle in America. States like CA and VA are testing the limits by trying to ban certain features, but the courts are standing with the people for the most part. CA banned mags over 10 rounds and the most liberal federal court in the US, the 9th Circuit, told CA to fuck off.

So the gun grabbers with wet dreams of another “assault rifle” (they don’t know the meaning of that term) are shit out of luck.

Give the Heller opinion a read. It’s brilliant work of historical context and Constitutional law. You’ll understand why Justice Scalia is regarded as one of the best SCOTUS justices in American history.

 

[AlexBailey]

This is correct. While affirming individual’s right to keep and bear arms, the rulings do not mean the right cannot be subject to certain regulations. In the 18th and 19th centuries for example, there were restrictions on gun powder storage in city buildings. In the 20th century, machine guns and short barreled shotguns were banned (for most of us).

Here are the relevant implications of Heller in our time:

The notion that 2A only allows militia has been taken off the table. We all can own guns

The doctrine of “common use” has been established. This means while individuals can be prohibited from owning rocket launchers and machine guns, we do have the right to keep and bear arms in common use

That means our right to keep and bear AR15 rifles is the law of the land. They are the most popular rifle in America. States like CA and VA are testing the limits by trying to ban certain features, but the courts are standing with the people for the most part. CA banned mags over 10 rounds and the most liberal federal court in the US, the 9th Circuit, told CA to fuck off.

So the gun grabbers with wet dreams of another “assault rifle” (they don’t know the meaning of that term) are shit out of luck.

Give the Heller opinion a read. It’s brilliant work of historical context and Constitutional law. You’ll understand why Justice Scalia is regarded as one of the best SCOTUS justices in American history.

How different do you suppose the conversation would be today if a violent armed insurrection had spread to the capitols of every state last week? Luckily for us law abiding gun owners, a bunch of rotting apples didn't go and ruin the barrel for the rest of us.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I own guns and have never once even thought of joining the NRA. Mostly cuz there's no point to it but also because they're pond scum. The bankruptcy is sort of meaningless but they are still in trouble and possibly on the edge. Won't shed a tear for them.
I've never worried someone is going to take my guns and still don't cuz it aint happening. People should chill. Smoke a fucking bowl or something, dudes.

 

[CornusKousa]

I own guns and have never once even thought of joining the NRA. Mostly cuz there's no point to it but also because they're pond scum. The bankruptcy is sort of meaningless but they are still in trouble and possibly on the edge. Won't shed a tear for them.
I've never worried someone is going to take my guns and still don't cuz it aint happening. People should chill. Smoke a fucking bowl or something, dudes.

If nobody argues back against those promoting doing exactly that, Democrats, then eventually they will.

As for the bowl I can smoke that and give the control freak Karen types the finger.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

How different do you suppose the conversation would be today if a violent armed insurrection had spread to the capitols of every state last week? Luckily for us law abiding gun owners, a bunch of rotting apples didn't go and ruin the barrel for the rest of us.

Interesting question. Fortunately, we’ll never know.

 

[RjThoughts]

How different do you suppose the conversation would be today if a violent armed insurrection had spread to the capitols of every state last week? Luckily for us law abiding gun owners, a bunch of rotting apples didn't go and ruin the barrel for the rest of us.

In Albany, ONE person showed up. One! And even the Sinclair-owned station ridiculed him!

 

[Ireadforpleasure]

NRA facing ‘embarrassing’ court hearing in Texas as it attempts to declare bankruptcy
Bob Brigham


"Now, the NRA's top executives are soon likely to take the stand in a Dallas courtroom, a potentially bruising public display, in a federal hearing scheduled to open April 5 to determine whether the organization will be allowed to declare bankruptcy, as it requested earlier this year," the newspaper reported. "The bankruptcy proceedings are likely to reveal embarrassing new details about the organization's internal workings and extravagant spending. Already, filings associated with the process have documented that the group was informed by the IRS that it owes $3.4 million in taxes dating to 2014 and that it paid for mosquito control at LaPierre's home, citing the expense as intended for 'security purposes.'"


John Feinblatt, the president of Everytown for Gun Safety, a leading advocate of gun regulation, mocked the declining political power of the NRA.

"Lawmakers who used to run away from the issue of gun safety now run on it, and a big reason for that is the sharp decline of the NRA," Feinblatt said. "In just a few short years, the NRA has fallen from perhaps the most powerful political group in America to a bankrupt shadow of their former selves — all while endangering millions of lives."

Days before the Boulder massacre, the NRA bragged about overturning a Boulder ban on assault weapons.

https://www.rawstory.com/national-rifle-association-nra-2651232889/

 

[RoryN]

NRA facing ‘embarrassing’ court hearing in Texas as it attempts to declare bankruptcy
Bob Brigham


"Now, the NRA's top executives are soon likely to take the stand in a Dallas courtroom, a potentially bruising public display, in a federal hearing scheduled to open April 5 to determine whether the organization will be allowed to declare bankruptcy, as it requested earlier this year," the newspaper reported. "The bankruptcy proceedings are likely to reveal embarrassing new details about the organization's internal workings and extravagant spending. Already, filings associated with the process have documented that the group was informed by the IRS that it owes $3.4 million in taxes dating to 2014 and that it paid for mosquito control at LaPierre's home, citing the expense as intended for 'security purposes.'"


John Feinblatt, the president of Everytown for Gun Safety, a leading advocate of gun regulation, mocked the declining political power of the NRA.

"Lawmakers who used to run away from the issue of gun safety now run on it, and a big reason for that is the sharp decline of the NRA," Feinblatt said. "In just a few short years, the NRA has fallen from perhaps the most powerful political group in America to a bankrupt shadow of their former selves — all while endangering millions of lives."

Days before the Boulder massacre, the NRA bragged about overturning a Boulder ban on assault weapons.

https://www.rawstory.com/national-rifle-association-nra-2651232889/

*chuckle* Awesome. Can't wait.

 

[ChuckandAndrea]

Good riddance. Now some of the actual pro-gun organizations will gain traction.

 

[Pookie]

Judge dismisses NRA's bankruptcy petition, allowing New York AG lawsuit to move forward

New York (CNN)A federal judge has dismissed the National Rifle Association's petition for bankruptcy, saying it was filed in "bad faith" in order to avoid litigation by the New York Attorney General's Office, which has sued to dissolve the NRA for allegedly misusing charitable funds.

The decision from Judge Harlin Hale came after a month-long trial in which NRA attorneys and officials argued that their bankruptcy case should move forward in Texas. New York Attorney General Letitia James' office intervened in the case and asked to dismiss the petition, saying the NRA's decision to file for bankruptcy in Texas and ask to be reincorporated there was a way to "remove the NRA from regulatory oversight."

Hale agreed with James' office's argument in his ruling issued Tuesday.
"The Court finds there is cause to dismiss this bankruptcy case as not having been filed in good faith both because it was filed to gain an unfair litigation advantage and because it was filed to avoid a state regulatory scheme," Hale wrote in his decision.

Hale also declined to appoint a trustee or examiner to oversee the NRA's finances.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html

 

[Lazaran]

Judge dismisses NRA's bankruptcy petition, allowing New York AG lawsuit to move forward

New York (CNN)A federal judge has dismissed the National Rifle Association's petition for bankruptcy, saying it was filed in "bad faith" in order to avoid litigation by the New York Attorney General's Office, which has sued to dissolve the NRA for allegedly misusing charitable funds.

The decision from Judge Harlin Hale came after a month-long trial in which NRA attorneys and officials argued that their bankruptcy case should move forward in Texas. New York Attorney General Letitia James' office intervened in the case and asked to dismiss the petition, saying the NRA's decision to file for bankruptcy in Texas and ask to be reincorporated there was a way to "remove the NRA from regulatory oversight."

Hale agreed with James' office's argument in his ruling issued Tuesday.
"The Court finds there is cause to dismiss this bankruptcy case as not having been filed in good faith both because it was filed to gain an unfair litigation advantage and because it was filed to avoid a state regulatory scheme," Hale wrote in his decision.

Hale also declined to appoint a trustee or examiner to oversee the NRA's finances.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/politics/national-rifle-association-bankruptcy/index.html

So the case was not filed in "good faith".

Hmmmmm......

Quite similar to most of the arguments made by the RWCJ.

*nods*

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

Gee, imagine that, one of "Nursing Home Killer" Cuomo's paid off judges rules in corrupt NY's favor.

 

[phrodeau]

Gee, imagine that, one of "Nursing Home Killer" Cuomo's paid off judges rules in corrupt NY's favor.

Judge Hale’s court is in Texas, and he’s been there since 2002.

 

[Dribble]

Judge Hale’s court is in Texas, and he’s been there since 2002.

Facts like that don't matter to Fascist traitors

 

[RoryN]

Gee, imagine that, one of "Nursing Home Killer" Cuomo's paid off judges rules in corrupt NY's favor.

Judge Hale’s court is in Texas, and he’s been there since 2002.

rotflmao

 

[RjThoughts]

Gee, imagine that, one of "Nursing Home Killer" Cuomo's paid off judges rules in corrupt NY's favor.

Not in NY, Bucco!

 

[KeithD]

Gee, imagine that, one of "Nursing Home Killer" Cuomo's paid off judges rules in corrupt NY's favor.

Don't you feel like an idiot for not checking where the judge was who gave this ruling? You should. You're a knee-jerk idiot.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Judge Hale correctly ruled the NRA is not facing an existential threat. While Mr. LaPierre faces legal problems, America’s first and most effective civil rights organization continues to do its good work as gun ownership grows in record numbers.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Judge Hale clearly disregards the Second Amendment, with it's implied right for gun organizations to treat American law as "advisory in nature" and not legally binding..

 

[AlexBailey]

There were 400 gun deaths in the U.S. just this last weekend.

If this keeps up, the voting public will support more restrictive legislation and a new amendment may eventually pass. Maybe not this decade or the next, but it will happen. The constitution is supposed to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That doesn't work if gun nuts are always killing people.

If you think the second amendment is etched in stone and will always protect your rights to own guns, keep in mind that the 2a does not mention 'firearms', and lots of other weapons are already federally illegal. Even if the 2a stands there will always be room for new interpretations.

 

[RjThoughts]

Judge Hale correctly ruled the NRA is not facing an existential threat. While Mr. LaPierre faces legal problems, America’s first and most effective civil rights organization continues to do its good work as gun ownership grows in record numbers.

They are a lobbying firm for the Gun and Ammo manufacturers!
Do you know what the original purpose for the NRA was? Not to "protect" Second Amendment rights, but to get soldiers and veterans to SHOOT BETTER!!

 

[Dribble]

There were 400 gun deaths in the U.S. just this last weekend.

If this keeps up, the voting public will support more restrictive legislation and a new amendment may eventually pass. Maybe not this decade or the next, but it will happen. The constitution is supposed to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That doesn't work if gun nuts are always killing people.

If you think the second amendment is etched in stone and will always protect your rights to own guns, keep in mind that the 2a does not mention 'firearms', and lots of other weapons are already federally illegal. Even if the 2a stands there will always be room for new interpretations.

Nah...but our country will be split up into several new countries and the progressive states will change the amendment if we choose to even have that one still exist

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

It's gonna be a while but it'll be interesting to see how everything ends up. I'm not sure the NRA will actually go away like some are saying. They have a purpose and people do like them. Get back on track and they won't be too bad. Still won't shed no tears if they go away tho. Some top folks there are real scum.