shouldn't music performers have a 'sell-by' date?

[rae121452]

i watched a program tonight that had performances by a lot of folk musicians. now, i'm depressed. people who were once hot but who now resemble a sack of potatoes, singing songs that were relevant 50 years ago...kill me now. imagine britney spears as a 60 yr. old in a catholic school girl outfit singing 'baby, one more time'. imagine madonna, who's already older than dirt, writhing around singing 'like a virgin" (as if). people like billie holiday and edith piaf were timeless. even judy garland, though she got on my nerves, was able to transcend her age. current performers, especially hip-hop performers, have an automatic expiration date because no one is going to be performing a song about smacking your bitch 50 yrs. from now. but, give me a break, the 60's are over, as are the 70's and 80's. find a new hobby, bitches.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Doesn't seem to affect the heavy metal audience. Hot and sexy isn't an age. It's a state of mind.

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[Hypoxia]

Grace Wing Slick said rock performers still playing kids' music after age 50 are pathetic, which is why she retired around then and went to painting full-time. Mike Love singing I GET AROUND at age 75 is pathetic. Mick Jagger singing UNDER MY THUMB at age 75 is pathetic. Anyone doing what they did a half-century ago is probably pathetic. But they still draw pathetic audiences paying real money to re-experience the old crap. That's show-biz, kids.

 

[FL30]

i watched a program tonight that had performances by a lot of folk musicians. now, i'm depressed. people who were once hot but who now resemble a sack of potatoes, singing songs that were relevant 50 years ago...kill me now. imagine britney spears as a 60 yr. old in a catholic school girl outfit singing 'baby, one more time'. imagine madonna, who's already older than dirt, writhing around singing 'like a virgin" (as if). people like billie holiday and edith piaf were timeless. even judy garland, though she got on my nerves, was able to transcend her age. current performers, especially hip-hop performers, have an automatic expiration date because no one is going to be performing a song about smacking your bitch 50 yrs. from now. but, give me a break, the 60's are over, as are the 70's and 80's. find a new hobby, bitches.

Very few singers can still sing at 70 like they did when they were younger.

Willie Nelson is a prime example - he barely can even breathe anymore and yet his concerts still sell out as soon as the tickets go on sale.

I think a lot of it is nostalgia - people still like to think that they're living in their youth. So they will listen to the old performers even when they sound terrible just so they can still grasp that last bit of being younger.

 

[CuttingEdge]

To answer the question: No there should not be a sell-by date.

The problem with the theory posed is, there is no appreciation of art with that sort of attitude, and kind of shows those of us that appreciate the arts, are rather different than those that are not.

True art is ageless.

A lot of the classic literary works are written in a style that is not conducive to the modern era, but it does not mean they should be thrown out. McTeague is a great literary book, but few readers today appreciate that literary naturalism style of writing that was prevalent in that era.

My wife is aging, but I still enjoy her in a miniskirt at age forty, though she looks different than when she was age thirty. I still love, appreciate and value her.

The paint and artistic styles of John Collier is different then the modern expressionism seen today, but I still hope we do not throw out Collier, Rembrandts and Angelo paintings because they happen to be old.

And so it is with music. I watched a Styx concert where one of original band members came out an played even though he is aging and very sick. He felt up to it, and it was nice to see him play that night. Was he as good as he was in the mid-80's...no, but that is alright. Watching Styx play with hundreds of KIDS shows they can pass on their skills to others. Watching a young girl play her violin, hitting every note, and showing devotion just means aging musicians still have a lot to give.

My greatest fear for society is that we lose appreciation for the arts, not that they are no longer done to perfection. This topic proves we are heading in that direction. How sad!

 

[CuttingEdge]

By the way, music performers do not keep performing music because its what they do, they keep doing it because music is their life...it is who they are.

I am a writer: in poor grammar perhaps, but I could not; not write!

 

[stickygirl]

i watched a program tonight that had performances by a lot of folk musicians. now, i'm depressed. people who were once hot but who now resemble a sack of potatoes, singing songs that were relevant 50 years ago...kill me now. ~snip~

I'm sorry to hear you say that Rae - I know you have your personal demons

There's plenty of old dudes who still have twinkle in their eye but if you're watching folk music then you're asking for trouble.

 

[Champakian]

Old people need music too...



You can always pull up old videos.

It's not an easy life; I admire anyone who still has the love, desire and energy to perform.

 

[girlsmiley]

i watched a program tonight that had performances by a lot of folk musicians. now, i'm depressed. people who were once hot but who now resemble a sack of potatoes, singing songs that were relevant 50 years ago...kill me now. imagine britney spears as a 60 yr. old in a catholic school girl outfit singing 'baby, one more time'. imagine madonna, who's already older than dirt, writhing around singing 'like a virgin" (as if). people like billie holiday and edith piaf were timeless. even judy garland, though she got on my nerves, was able to transcend her age. current performers, especially hip-hop performers, have an automatic expiration date because no one is going to be performing a song about smacking your bitch 50 yrs. from now. but, give me a break, the 60's are over, as are the 70's and 80's. find a new hobby, bitches.

I'd much rather them than you.

At least they have talent.

Fuck's sake

 

[girlsmiley]

Oh and before you respond, no one cares.

You are out the gate.

 

[Liar]

The sell-by date is when nobody is buying.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Old rockers never bothered me. Always figured it was cool they made it that far.

 

[oneblueye]

hey...

To answer the question: No there should not be a sell-by date.

The problem with the theory posed is, there is no appreciation of art with that sort of attitude, and kind of shows those of us that appreciate the arts, are rather different than those that are not.

True art is ageless.

A lot of the classic literary works are written in a style that is not conducive to the modern era, but it does not mean they should be thrown out. McTeague is a great literary book, but few readers today appreciate that literary naturalism style of writing that was prevalent in that era.

My wife is aging, but I still enjoy her in a miniskirt at age forty, though she looks different than when she was age thirty. I still love, appreciate and value her.

The paint and artistic styles of John Collier is different then the modern expressionism seen today, but I still hope we do not throw out Collier, Rembrandts and Angelo paintings because they happen to be old.

And so it is with music. I watched a Styx concert where one of original band members came out an played even though he is aging and very sick. He felt up to it, and it was nice to see him play that night. Was he as good as he was in the mid-80's...no, but that is alright. Watching Styx play with hundreds of KIDS shows they can pass on their skills to others. Watching a young girl play her violin, hitting every note, and showing devotion just means aging musicians still have a lot to give.

My greatest fear for society is that we lose appreciation for the arts, not that they are no longer done to perfection. This topic proves we are heading in that direction. How sad!

My greatest fear of, for or about SOCIETY is that it will survive.

 

[oneblueye]

hey...

By the way, music performers do not keep performing music because its what they do, they keep doing it because music is their life...it is who they are.

I am a writer: in poor grammar perhaps, but I could not; not write!

so few people truly UNDERSTAND what it means to say what you did--,
and to in truth, truly experience that horror...

 

[RobDownSouth]

The sell-by date is when nobody is buying.

I was reading a review of KISS' New Years Eve concert in Dubai...the lamestream media was pretty much "meh, okay, it's Kiss" but wow the hardcore fans were savage "oh it was pathetic" "same old show they've been doing since 2017, nothing new" and especially Paul Stanley's voice (which I never thought was great to begin with, but is particularly ragged now).

The best part was the fanboi outrage that Kiss complied with the UAE government's request to alter the line "rob you of your virgin soul" in God of Thunder to "rob you of your sacred gold".

 

[AgreeableBastard]

Bob Dylan should have bowed out gracefully decades ago, he just embarrasses himself to be honest. Don't get me started on the Rolling Stones.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Grace Wing Slick said rock performers still playing kids' music after age 50 are pathetic, which is why she retired around then and went to painting full-time. Mike Love singing I GET AROUND at age 75 is pathetic. Mick Jagger singing UNDER MY THUMB at age 75 is pathetic. Anyone doing what they did a half-century ago is probably pathetic. But they still draw pathetic audiences paying real money to re-experience the old crap. That's show-biz, kids.

Wrong account. Lol.

 

[rae121452]

I'm sorry to hear you say that Rae - I know you have your personal demons

There's plenty of old dudes who still have twinkle in their eye but if you're watching folk music then you're asking for trouble.

poisonal demons!? (i just said that in my barbra streisand voice) my poisonal demons can beat up your poisonal demons!

 

[rae121452]

my point isn't that old performers shouldn't perform, it's that they should continue to grow instead of beating the same dead horse. in that performance film that i watched a group of old men who looked like the walking dead talked about how they were the very first to sing 'blowing in the wind' and then proceeded to do just that. the camera panned to some old fuck in the audience who was sitting there with tears streaming down his face. i mean, come on!

 

[PaxNurgle]

I can certainly understand that music performances with aging performers can be hard to watch. Vocal talent, unlike art, writing, or even playing an instrument (without singing), can and usually does deteriorate over time. On the other hand, I also can understand and appreciate performers who do so for the sheer love of creating and performing. I saw a band once a few years ago- 70's underground hard rock band Pentagram- where the singer was about 70 but looked like he was about 90, but he seemed to have the moves and energy of a 20 year old, and it was honestly a fun show.

But those who do so simply to milk a cash cow- "Reunion" shows by washed up bands playing simply because they need the money, can honestly be kind of lame- because you can just tell the band doesn't have the hunger, energy or drive that they used to.

There is a youtube channel about aging metal bands- these two dudes from Alabama review performances by old school hard rock and metal bands from the 80s. It's quite interesting to see who still "has it" and who doesn't, who still looks good and who doesnt. (For example, Ratt still has it to some extent anyway, but Bon Jovi does not.)

 

[rae121452]

But those who do so simply to milk a cash cow- "Reunion" shows by washed up bands playing simply because they need the money, can honestly be kind of lame- because you can just tell the band doesn't have the hunger, energy or drive that they used to.

^^^^this! the same show had roger mcguinn, the ex-byrd. he's still sounds good, plays great guitar and was having a really good time performing. most of the performers were people who had a hit record or two in the pre-beatles age and were now singing the same fucking songs.

 

[CuttingEdge]

my point isn't that old performers shouldn't perform, it's that they should continue to grow instead of beating the same dead horse. in that performance film that i watched a group of old men who looked like the walking dead talked about how they were the very first to sing 'blowing in the wind' and then proceeded to do just that. the camera panned to some old fuck in the audience who was sitting there with tears streaming down his face. i mean, come on!

Again, it just shows you do not understand art, an that is okay, because some don't.

I took my wife to an art gallery once and she cried at a painting. For some people it just "speaks" to you, and for others it does not, but we are more artistic than most.

If a piece of art does not speak to you in the same way, so be it. You just stay mum. Droning on about it in complaint, is the first sign that to feel good about yourself, you must trash-talk someone else.

Most older people here will tell you, we have our good days, and we have our bad. Judging an older performer by a 2 hour concert is not very subjective. I have seen the same groups play multiple concerts and some are better than others. One bad performance does not mean they always suck!

 

[rae121452]

Again, it just shows you do not understand art, an that is okay, because some don't.

I took my wife to an art gallery once and she cried at a painting. For some people it just "speaks" to you, and for others it does not, but we are more artistic than most.

If a piece of art does not speak to you in the same way, so be it. You just stay mum. Droning on about it in complaint, is the first sign that to feel good about yourself, you must trash-talk someone else.

Most older people here will tell you, we have our good days, and we have our bad. Judging an older performer by a 2 hour concert is not very subjective. I have seen the same groups play multiple concerts and some are better than others. One bad performance does not mean they always suck!

dear miss froot loop,

whew, honey! you need to take the board out. "i took my wife to an art gallery once and she cried at a painting." really? she was probably crying because your idea of a hot date is taking her to an art gallery filled with stuff made by old dead white men instead of taking her out to a club where she could wear a pretty dress, have a few drinks, kick up her heels and ogle some good looking young men. i mean, jesus, i'm a fag and i have a better idea of how to entertain a lady than you.
and if you're half as pedantic with her as you are in your postings, i bet she cries A LOT. get over yourself. i bet you collect stamps, too (snore).

 

[Champakian]

I think the type of growth that you allude to is akin to lightning in a bottle,
and very hard to achieve twice in a lifetime for all but the most select group of genius.

I think a lot of them don't even know how they got lightening into the bottle the first time.

Take Loverboy, for example...


PLEASE!!!

 

[InternationalFunboy]

It's pretty punk rock, this point. It's why the Sex Pistols proper quit when it was over, and why the Ramones did not.