Gas up 18% since election, could surpass $4 under *Biden.

[sighLent]

 

[CornusKousa]

Good I hope that shit is 20/gal by the end of the year.

Let's show all these working and poor Democrats just how much going green is going to cost them.


Don't have 80k for a new green car?

The tags for that old gas guzzling civic? 15,000 dollars a year. SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!

Can't afford it? Too bad...ride the bus. That's PROGRESS!!!

Can't afford a 2,500 sq ft normal suburban 3/2 because it now cost 1.3 million fucking dollars instead of 300k?? Thaaaaaaaaaat's PROGRESS!!!

LOL.....I hope they do it, yea Green New Deal!!! Totalitarianism GOOD!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Good I hope that shit is 20/gal by the end of the year.

Let's show all these working and poor Democrats just how much going green is going to cost them.

Yep 20 bucks a gallon, that will teach em...good for the environment too.

Don't have 80k for a new green car?

Tesla's start at $37,500 here in Canada, and those are along the same prices as the rest, well maybe the VW's are bit more pricey...

The tags for that old gas guzzling civic? 15,000 dollars a year. SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!

Hey with Gas at $20 bucks a gallon, those electric cars pay for themselves in pretty short order, now don't they...

Can't afford it? Too bad...ride the bus. That's PROGRESS!!!

Nothing wrong with public transportation, except for ass holes like you who look down on it...*chuckles*

Can't afford a 2,500 sq ft normal suburban 3/2 because it now cost 1.3 million fucking dollars instead of 300k?? Thaaaaaaaaaat's PROGRESS!!!

Who cares what it cost's, like how many people buy a house out right...can you say mortgage....I think you can. Oh and if you do "invest" in home ownership, in general the selling price rises year over year, so if you buy at 300K and sell at 3.1 million, you make a proffit...Do you have any idea what a profit is??? I doubt it...

LOL.....I hope they do it, yea Green New Deal!!! Totalitarianism GOOD!!!

Me too, I'd love to see your shit posts about it....great humour for starting a day...

 

[CornusKousa]

Yep 20 bucks a gallon, that will teach em...good for the environment too.

LOL yea it will teach them to be even more poor.

Yea, extra homeless people...great for the environment.

Tesla's start at $37,500 here in Canada, and those are along the same prices as the rest, well maybe the VW's are bit more pricey...

They can't afford the gas, to run their old honda/toyota, what makes you think they are going to go buy a 40,000+ dollar EV??

LOL...didn't think that one through very well did you??

Hey with Gas at $20 bucks a gallon, those electric cars pay for themselves in pretty short order, now don't they...

ONLY for those who can afford it.

What about the 59 million you just pushed into destitution via a regressive gas/transportation tax??

Uh oh!!! Again....didn't think about that did ya??

Nothing wrong with public transportation, except for ass holes like you who look down on it...*chuckles*

Except it's public....and is generally as nasty and lame as everything else public.

In the real world everyone on public transportation is dreaming about saving enough money/time to either GTFO or buy a car so they don't have to deal with public trans anymore.

Who cares what it cost's,

People on a budget....like the working class.

like how many people buy a house out right...can you say mortgage....I think you can. Oh and if you do "invest" in home ownership, in general the selling price rises year over year, so if you buy at 300K and sell at 3.1 million, you make a proffit...Do you have any idea what a profit is??? I doubt it...

Do you not understand that the mortgage affordability is directly tied to the price of the place you are mortgaging???

Ask a Californian how much they love that 6,000+ dollar a month mortgage that would cost them 1500/mo in any other state other than NY or HI.

Just by crossing state lines your housing cost are cut by 75+%.....your food/fuel cost are cut by 50+ %.

Because "progress" is fucking retarded and regressive as fuck.

Me too, I'd love to see your shit posts about it....great humour for starting a day...

Of course, you love laughing at poor/working class's plight....what "progressive" doesn't??

 

[bhurry]

LOL yea it will teach them to be even more poor.

Yea, extra homeless people...great for the environment.



They can't afford the gas, to run their old honda/toyota, what makes you think they are going to go buy a 40,000+ dollar EV??

LOL...didn't think that one through very well did you??



ONLY for those who can afford it.

What about the 59 million you just pushed into destitution via a regressive gas/transportation tax??

Uh oh!!! Again....didn't think about that did ya??



Except it's public....and is generally as nasty and lame as everything else public.

In the real world everyone on public transportation is dreaming about saving enough money/time to either GTFO or buy a car so they don't have to deal with public trans anymore.





People on a budget....like the working class.



Do you not understand that the mortgage affordability is directly tied to the price of the place you are mortgaging???

Ask a Californian how much they love that 6,000+ dollar a month mortgage that would cost them 1500/mo in any other state other than NY or HI.

Just by crossing state lines your housing cost are cut by 75+%.....your food/fuel cost are cut by 50+ %.

Because "progress" is fucking retarded and regressive as fuck.



Of course, you love laughing at poor/working class's plight....what "progressive" doesn't??

Propane shortage in Wi. Bad weather. Something new here I guess. Joe has a plan for sure.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK. petrol (gas) is at £5.54 per Imperial Gallon and is likely to increase shortly.

Be thankful that in the US, prices are still much lower (and they need to be - the US runs on gas!)

 

[Fuzzy1975]

LOL yea it will teach them to be even more poor.

Yea, extra homeless people...great for the environment.

umm how does $20 bucks a gallon lead to homelessness? Please explain that?

$20.00/gallon of gas will lead to changes in how people move around,what fields of employment they work in, etc al.

Homelessness is not about the price of gas, or a loaf of bread for that matter, but you are too uneducated to actually understand the main causes of homelessness...*chuckles*

They can't afford the gas, to run their old honda/toyota, what makes you think they are going to go buy a 40,000+ dollar EV??

NO if they were smart, they would trash the junker, and just take the bus...or use other modes of transportation. Why do people feel the need to spend 1/3rd of their money on a vehicle...sigh...

LOL...didn't think that one through very well did you??

Really? read above, then ask the question again about who is thinking, and who is a regressive and wants everything to stay at the status quo...( the above also answers the rest of the drivel you posted that I choose not to waste space on...)

Keep in mind the status quo cannot, and has never stayed the same, ever in the history of any of humanities societies...


( just seeing if I can drive BSB's shits posts to over 100 today.....lol)

 

[oggbashan]

Unlike in the UK where public transport is viable in most places, large parts of the US are just impossible without your own vehicle.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Unlike in the UK where public transport is viable in most places, large parts of the US are just impossible without your own vehicle.

That would change if gas hit $20.00 per gallon Ogg...*chuckles*

 

[CornusKousa]

umm how does $20 bucks a gallon lead to homelessness? Please explain that?

1) It will drive the cost of EVERYTHING up. Food, personal hygiene supplies, every basic good you go buy on a shelf to live a 1st world life? Price has gone up significantly.

2) It will eliminate transportation and thus access to work for millions of people. When you make millions of people jobless, millions of mortgages/leases for those hyper inflated housing go bust and you've got California problems.

$20.00/gallon of gas will lead to changes in how people move around,what fields of employment they work in, etc al.

YES, and because it's not a natural change it's going to leave a lot of people totally fucked.

Homelessness is not about the price of gas, or a loaf of bread for that matter, but you are too uneducated to actually understand the main causes of homelessness...*chuckles*

You should call others uneducated right after making a wildly ignorant statement like the price of gas and food not having any bearing on homelessness.

NO if they were smart, they would trash the junker, and just take the bus...or use other modes of transportation. Why do people feel the need to spend 1/3rd of their money on a vehicle...sigh...

Really? read above, then ask the question again about who is thinking, and who is a regressive and wants everything to stay at the status quo...( the above also answers the rest of the drivel you posted that I choose not to waste space on...)

Keep in mind the status quo cannot, and has never stayed the same, ever in the history of any of humanities societies...

Not everyone lives with public trans access Fuzzy. Not everyone is a metro dweller.

Running the cost of food and fuel up is regressive, no matter how much you try to dance around the issue.

And I never said it did. You're yelling at the sky old man.

( just seeing if I can drive BSB's shits posts to over 100 today.....lol)

LOL you're obsessed with my post count....how sad for you

 

[CornusKousa]

That would change if gas hit $20.00 per gallon Ogg...*chuckles*

And how do people pay their bills for the next 5-10 years while that infrastructure is being built??

Your defense of deliberately increasing the base cost of existence without any consideration for the consequences, like running millions of people into poverty, because "it's green" is fucking stupid.

Own it.

 

[CornusKousa]

Unlike in the UK where public transport is viable in most places, large parts of the US are just impossible without your own vehicle.

Yup, and our entire system outside of major metro bubbles, is based off of that reality.

Suddenly running fuel cost up 10x the norm or more "because it's green" would be colossally stupid and short sighted.

No doubt the "progressive" democrats are working on doing this right now.

 

[oggbashan]

That would change if gas hit $20.00 per gallon Ogg...*chuckles*

It might but the UK has been building public transport infrastructure for over 100 years in a much smaller country. The US would take fifty years to get even close to that level.

In the meantime, the US economy would tank.

Even electric vehicles would not be feasible for the distances most Americans would want to drive. Many UK journeys are under 30 miles so electric is practicable. But 200 miles? Most EVs can't guarantee that.

 

[CornusKousa]

It might but the UK has been building public transport infrastructure for over 100 years in a much smaller country. The US would take fifty years to get even close to that level.

In the meantime, the US economy would tank.

Even electric vehicles would not be feasible for the distances most Americans would want to drive. Many UK journeys are under 30 miles so electric is practicable. But 200 miles? Most EVs can't guarantee that.

Careful there OG......you're treading on alt-Reich think there.

Question the "progressive" narrative like that again and you'll be over here on #TEAMNAZI with the rest of us white supremacist who dared to question being "green".

 

[oggbashan]

I know. It is odd to be agreeing with you, but green taxes can only go so far, without imperiling people's way of life.

What is needed is a vast improvement in Electric vehicle technology - unlikely, or something else such as hydrogen fuel cells.

In the UK at present, there are only TWO places where you can refuel a hydrogen car, and you cannot put enough hydrogen in to drive from one to the other.

In the next two years, there will be a third - in my town, designed to fuel all our buses, but will be able to fuel privately owned Hydrogen fuel cell cars as well. Hydrogen would be a better long-term bet than electric because the range is far more, but the car manufacturers aren't producing them because they cannot be refuelled at present.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

1) It will drive the cost of EVERYTHING up. Food, personal hygiene supplies, every basic good you go buy on a shelf to live a 1st world life? Price has gone up significantly.

But you have not explained how the cost of living makes everyone homeless...

Ok Imagine today the price of gas was $20.00 a gallon. What happens?

I suspect much as you posted.

However, hypothetically, what if you were told today, that on January 1st 2025, gasoline would have a $20.00 per gallon tax added to it?

Now what is your answer?
Do we see the same catastrophic economic damage occur?
You have almost 4 years to prepare...

Last, going back to my first remark in this answer, what would happen if tomorrow there was no gasoline period, it suddenly was gone? Would not the exact same results apply as what you stated? Hmmm
Prices rise, people lose jobs, yada yada yada....

So it is not the cost of gas, but really the rate of change/supply that is the problem.

After all I think petrol in the UK is closed to $20.00 per us gallon right now, and the UK is not anywhere near the dire straights you profess they should be, with fuel prices that high....*chuckles*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I know. It is odd to be agreeing with you, but green taxes can only go so far, without imperiling people's way of life.

What is needed is a vast improvement in Electric vehicle technology - unlikely, or something else such as hydrogen fuel cells.

In the UK at present, there are only TWO places where you can refuel a hydrogen car, and you cannot put enough hydrogen in to drive from one to the other.

In the next two years, there will be a third - in my town, designed to fuel all our buses, but will be able to fuel privately owned Hydrogen fuel cell cars as well. Hydrogen would be a better long-term bet than electric because the range is far more, but the car manufacturers aren't producing them because they cannot be refuelled at present.

The problem with hydrogen is the source. Currently 99% comes from hydrocarbons, ie oil.

To make it viable we need a source from another supply. Such as was tried in the hydrogen fuel cells( which failed). Even from breaking apart the bond between oxygen and hydrogen molecules in water, requires more input energy, than you get out.

I have some faith that we will get hydrogen to a level that can compete with oil, but right now the cheapest form of energy is still from fossils fuels.

 

[CornusKousa]

But you have not explained how the cost of living makes everyone homeless...

Ok Imagine today the price of gas was $20.00 a gallon. What happens?

I suspect much as you posted.

And everyone living on the margins? Will lose their ability to keep paying for their now 6,000 dollar a month shit hole apartment.

Look at California......proof is in the pudding bubba.

However, hypothetically, what if you were told today, that on January 1st 2025, gasoline would have a $20.00 per gallon tax added to it?

Now what is your answer?
Do we see the same catastrophic economic damage occur?
You have almost 4 years to prepare...

LOL the giant ass fucking will be lessened because you gave them warning??

No...those on the economic margins will still be pushed further out. It's one of the most ignorantly destructive ways to "go green".

 

[oggbashan]

The problem with hydrogen is the source. Currently 99% comes from hydrocarbons, ie oil.

To make it viable we need a source from another supply. Such as was tried in the hydrogen fuel cells( which failed). Even from breaking apart the bond between oxygen and hydrogen molecules in water, requires more input energy, than you get out.

I have some faith that we will get hydrogen to a level that can compete with oil, but right now the cheapest form of energy is still from fossils fuels.

The UK hydrogen production is by electricity, not hydrocarbons, but the demand is huge for a given hydrogen output. The current and future producers are using wind energy which of course is not constant. Tide energy might be better but hydrogen will remain expensive even if wind energy production costs are falling fast in the UK, they are still more expensive than natural gas generating plants.

 

[icanhelp1]

The UK hydrogen production is by electricity, not hydrocarbons, but the demand is huge for a given hydrogen output. The current and future producers are using wind energy which of course is not constant. Tide energy might be better but hydrogen will remain expensive even if wind energy production costs are falling fast in the UK, they are still more expensive than natural gas generating plants.

The cost effective alternative to producing hydrogen minus fossil fuels would have to be of a natural energy source, hydro, geothermic, nuclear or even perhaps solar and wind. IMHO

 

[oggbashan]

The cost effective alternative to producing hydrogen minus fossil fuels would have to be of a natural energy source, hydro, geothermic, nuclear or even perhaps solar and wind. IMHO

And that is what the UK producers are using - wind at present. But it is NOT cost-effective. Electricity produced by wind is still more expensive than that produced by natural gas. The unit cost of wind production is falling but has a way to go.

 

[icanhelp1]

And that is what the UK producers are using - wind at present. But it is NOT cost-effective. Electricity produced by wind is still more expensive than that produced by natural gas. The unit cost of wind production is falling but has a way to go.

I was leaning towards nuclear, hydro or geothermal for production of both electrical and hydrogen gas. For now natural gas is the cleanest and cheapest. EVs are still a ways off, won't be practical till the infrastructure's in place. Infrastructure is a demand supported issue, it will happen as the need increases and tech gets better.

To kill the keystone pipeline is just fool hardy on so many counts.

 

[Champakian]

"Gas up 18% since election, could surpass $4 under *Biden."



As far as the Progressive Left is concerned, this is a good start, but
it is not extreme enough o get everyone on public transportation.

As an extra giddy bonus, this really sticks it to those rural rednecks
who vote Republican. This people need to be shut down so they will
shut the fuck up, lose their jobs and move to the cities where they
can make an honest contribution to society! Why the fuck do they
do out there other than plot insurrection and fight progress?

It's not like they serve any purpose!

 

[AlexBailey]

There is a whole world of hurt coming to the petrol markets.

The demand for petroleum has been at record lows during the pandemic, now with the vaccines and the possibility of moving back to some semblance of normal, hedge funds have been betting on a return to previous demand.

Anyone trying to blame one element for how the oil market is acting is trying to push a political agenda.

 

[icanhelp1]

There is a whole world of hurt coming to the petrol markets.

The demand for petroleum has been at record lows during the pandemic, now with the vaccines and the possibility of moving back to some semblance of normal, hedge funds have been betting on a return to previous demand.

Anyone trying to blame one element for how the oil market is acting is trying to push a political agenda.

When demand increases and supply decreases: prices go up.

The only one being political is Biden.