What has Black Lives Matter achieved?

[dolf]

According to this, a 15-20% decrease in the number of deaths.

 

[CornusKousa]

According to this, a 15-20% decrease in the number of deaths.

I'm guessing they didn't calculate the 34 dead from the rioting this summer in that.....



They've almost started another civil war with their "Critical race theory" bullshit.

White devils are all born NAZIS!!!! So punch em' in the mouth and do whatever you want!!

Good job!! SOOOOOOOO much progress.

I hear France is starting to figure out how fucking retarded that is.

 

[dolf]

I'm guessing they didn't calculate the 34 dead from the rioting this summer in that.....



They've almost started another civil war with their "Critical race theory" bullshit.

White devils are all born NAZIS!!!! So punch em' in the mouth and do whatever you want!!

Good job!! SOOOOOOOO much progress.

I hear France is starting to figure out how fucking retarded that is.

They established 300 lives saved, so they should adjust that to 266 lives saved instead?

 

[CornusKousa]

They established 300 lives saved, so they should adjust that to 266 lives saved instead?

Over five years...that's 60 a year.

Yea since were doing wishful thinking exercises. Why not!!

Do they get the potentially coming civil war death count laid at their feet too??

Some Yale fuckers disagree with that btw.

https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

 

[Dribble]

True story...we had a ton of fires this last summer. One client was complaining about how many were started by Black Lives Matter. I asked him what? He responded, "There are Govt papers showing BLM started some of these fires". I laughed. Yes, BLM did start several. Bureau of Land Management

As long as they yank Republican chains...they are a success in my opinion.

 

[YDB95]

As long as they yank Republican chains...they are a success in my opinion.

Ditto. And I have yet to hear of the first one who thinks all white people are Nazis. (Actually the attitude BoBo is referring to - which of course he's exaggerating - is more common among hypersensitive white liberals than anyone else. I think they're mostly just out to show how woke they are.) Not to mention even people who subscribe to critical race theory do not all agree on just what it stands for, including the issue of who can and can't be racist against whom.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ditto. And I have yet to hear of the first one who thinks all white people are Nazis. (Actually the attitude BoBo is referring to - which of course he's exaggerating - is more common among hypersensitive white liberals than anyone else. I think they're mostly just out to show how woke they are.) Not to mention even people who subscribe to critical race theory do not all agree on just what it stands for, including the issue of who can and can't be racist against whom.

That's the majority of the BLM movement.....LOL

And they aren't liberals either, they're progressives....highly authoritarian, practically zero liberalism to be found with that group.

And as for "who can and can't be racist against whom" the fact that it's even up for discussion is insane.

 

[bellisarius]

The claims made in that paper are unsupportable. Any halfway competent researcher will tear the paper to shreds.

First of all there is no direct correlation that can be made between any activity by BLM on a national level and the reduction in police homicides. Even if the authors had restricted themselves to one jurisdiction and the made a correlation between those policies that BLM lobbied for and a reduction in police homicides that correlation would still be casual in nature. The factors that would have to be plugged in to make a bullet proof (pun intended) case are far too complex to make such a simplistic assumption.

Further they make no year by year breakdown. Was this decrease spread uniformly over the 5 year period they assert or was the greatest decrease in just this past year? If that decrease was in this past year then the Wuhan Flu should be given far more credit than anything BLM has accomplished.

 

[bellisarius]

Making a few 'casual' correlations here for just one city, Baltimore MD.

In April of 2015 Freddie Gray died while in police custody and BLM provoked 'protests' ensued. Police policy was changed as a result.

In 2014 the murder rate in Baltimore was 33.8/100K population. Beginning in 2015 the murder rate has risen to 54.75/100K population over the 5 years inclusive (2015-2019). That is an increase of 21/100k population per year and based on a population of 600K that comes out to ~120 murders per year, or ~600 murders total.

This means that the number of souls murdered in Baltimore above pre BLM activities is TWICE the number of lives that BLM is claiming they saved NATIONWIDE over the same period of time.

It took me 15 min. to make a mockery of that paper.

 

[Ramone45]

My community has experienced a dramatic increase in crime as a result of the initiatives of the BLM Movement. There is really no reason for the police to do their jibs anymore because they just don't want to deal with any potential fallout, so they spend their shift farting into their car seats for eight hours

 

[oggbashan]

What BLM has achieved in the UK is to make people more aware of black issues some maybe NOT what BLM intended such as the number of crimes committed by black males is vastly greater than their proportion of the population ought to suggest.

But the online racial abuse of black footballers and sportspeople should be unacceptable.

In the UK people are becoming more sensitive about racial abuse, but the BLM movement as a whole has been tarnished by extreme views and some violent behaviour, condemned (in the UK) by BLM leaders.

BLM in the UK has nothing like the influence it has in the US but we do not have recent Jim Crow laws to live down. Our racial prejudice was much less obvious but it existed (and still exists).

 

[WillJ8787]

According to this, a 15-20% decrease in the number of deaths.

A broader awareness in the world is going to have some good results. There was a point at which just about everyone was talking about BLM and George Floyd....that alone is going to be a good thing as well.

Discussions that result from BLM being front and center in any persons consciousness can lead them to look further into how things have gotten to the point they are: systemic racism and economic poverty and injustice towards African Americans and this can and will lead to change.

And it also helps, when folks say "all lives matter" or they call BLM a terrorist and communist organization....it helps identify the racist among us in the USA and the arguments they use to hold onto their economic and privileged power over others....blacks being just one group as an example.

 

[WillJ8787]

Making a few 'casual' correlations here for just one city, Baltimore MD.

In April of 2015 Freddie Gray died while in police custody and BLM provoked 'protests' ensued. Police policy was changed as a result.

In 2014 the murder rate in Baltimore was 33.8/100K population. Beginning in 2015 the murder rate has risen to 54.75/100K population over the 5 years inclusive (2015-2019). That is an increase of 21/100k population per year and based on a population of 600K that comes out to ~120 murders per year, or ~600 murders total.

This means that the number of souls murdered in Baltimore above pre BLM activities is TWICE the number of lives that BLM is claiming they saved NATIONWIDE over the same period of time.

It took me 15 min. to make a mockery of that paper.

Your comparing apples to oranges here....it's a conflation.
Gun violence and death rats are way up in many cities across the USA...mostly due to the disproportionate affect the economy has had in those areas due to covid.

The abstract addresses police causing deaths among black people.... totally different metric.

 

[oggbashan]

Your comparing apples to oranges here....it's a conflation.
Gun violence and death rats are way up in many cities across the USA...mostly due to the disproportionate affect the economy has had in those areas due to covid.

The abstract addresses police causing deaths among black people.... totally different metric.

Maybe, but BLM has been very active in the UK, protesting US deaths.

Most Police in the UK are not armed and do not expect to face firearms, whereas US police can expect criminals to have a gun and be willing to use it.

I was answering the thread title, not the (dubious) link

 

[WillJ8787]

Maybe, but BLM has been very active in the UK, protesting US deaths.

Most Police in the UK are not armed and do not expect to face firearms, whereas US police can expect criminals to have a gun and be willing to use it.

I was answering the thread title, not the (dubious) link

I hear ya ..it is definitely a complex question. In Philadelphia, gun violence is at an all time high and the police force here is also majority black. Protest of the police here where intense and the police reaction to it was also particularly violent.

I'm close enough to Baltimore to know what is happening their...it's been a tough place to live for a long time...no jobs.

I don't know what parameters the researchers used.

Another though also occured to me...BLM isn't a monolithic organization. What one group does in Philadelphia may not resemble what any other group does anywhere else. I don't see any evidence of an overarching control mechanism for this organization. So, what happens in the UK is going to resemble those folks, their thinking and have the flavor of the UK and Western Europe...that will probably be a lot different than American BLM organizations.

 

[oggbashan]

The UK's BLM has unrealistic aspirations for legal changes and seems blind to the problems within the black community, almost willfully so.

But there are many organisations working hard to improve black people's lives and aspirations.

We have black politicians and prominent people who owe their positions, not to their colour, but to their skills. Like women, black people have to be better than their competitors to get ahead. It is unfair, but at least in the UK anyone can, whether female, black or not English.

For example, in the NHS we have many European people who have come to the UK because they were restricted by entrenched bias in their own countries, and in the UK the sky is the limit whoever you are.

 

[stickygirl]

According to this, a 15-20% decrease in the number of deaths.

Just curious if your question was prompted by the statement by the UK Home Secretary yesterday, who condemned BLM and taking the knee?

 

[RobDownSouth]

They established 300 lives saved, so they should adjust that to 266 lives saved instead?

Ask him where he got his "34" number from.

Chances are, those are riot-related deaths overall, not blacks killed by cops.

Snowfrake and Ishmael routinely try and pivot the discussion from "cops killing blacks" to "but...but..Black on Black Crime!".

 

[Dribble]

What BLM has achieved in the UK is to make people more aware of black issues some maybe NOT what BLM intended such as the number of crimes committed by black males is vastly greater than their proportion of the population ought to suggest.

But the online racial abuse of black footballers and sportspeople should be unacceptable.

In the UK people are becoming more sensitive about racial abuse, but the BLM movement as a whole has been tarnished by extreme views and some violent behaviour, condemned (in the UK) by BLM leaders.

BLM in the UK has nothing like the influence it has in the US but we do not have recent Jim Crow laws to live down. Our racial prejudice was much less obvious but it existed (and still exists).

If a young man has a shitty education and can't get a job...do you think they are more likely to find a life of crime?

 

[oggbashan]

If a young man has a shitty education and can't get a job...do you think they are more likely to find a life of crime?

Yes. But in the UK there are interventions to provide a better education leading to a reasonable job.

For example, the son of one of my daughter's friends has been going to an academy run by Westminster School. But for Covid, he was predicted to get three maximum grades at A level after 5 A*s at GCSE. He will probably go to a 'good' university with commercial sponsorship. At his previous school, his teachers wrote him off as a fatherless loser.

It hasn't been easy for him or his family and he is aware he has been given an opportunity that only a few get.

 

[CornusKousa]

And it also helps, when folks say "all lives matter" or they call BLM a terrorist and communist organization....it helps identify the racist among us in the USA

How does that identify racist?

Facts = racist???

and the arguments they use to hold onto their economic and privileged power over others....blacks being just one group as an example.

Yea....freedom is better than oppression??

So much privileged power!!! LOL

 

[WillJ8787]

If a young man has a shitty education and can't get a job...do you think they are more likely to find a life of crime?

Yes! Prior to covid and the subsequent additional economic problems cussed by it... Philadelphia had a 25% poverty rate. 1 in 4 Philadelphia residents made less income than that rate. It is overwhelmingly blacks who suffer from poverty in Philadelphia.

I don't know what it is currently since the numbers are not public yet and it suspect it is much much worse.

Philadelphia violent crime rates are directly tied to this poverty rate.

 

[WillJ8787]

Here is a source for the poverty rate in Philadelphia. Pew also has a great analysis also and it's a PDF so I can link it or copy from it.

Source:

https://www.inquirer.com/news/us-ce...rvey-poverty-income-coronavirus-20200917.html

"On Thursday, the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey revealed that Philadelphia’s poverty rate decreased from 24.5% to 23.3% between 2018 and 2019. In the same period, its median household income edged up slightly, from $46,116 to $47,474."

"There also was nothing good to say about deep poverty, which measures the incomes of those living at 50% or below the federal poverty line of $26,172 annually for a family of four (in 2019 dollars). Still the highest among America’s biggest cities, Philadelphia’s deep-poverty rate was at 11.1% in 2018 and 2019, with more than 170,000 individuals stuck in that untenable spot."

25% of Phildelphians (family of 4) are at or under the $26,172 annual income level and deep poverty 11.1% are at 50% less than this $26,172 income annually.

If this isn't a recipe for violent crime I don't know what is! I don't know how anyone can live like this?

BLM in Philadelphia is trying to address this, some of their platform I don't agree with and bringing this to light in the context of crime/violent crime and policing is important work that needs to be done

 

[missyunderstanding]

Yanking chains?

True story...we had a ton of fires this last summer. One client was complaining about how many were started by Black Lives Matter. I asked him what? He responded, "There are Govt papers showing BLM started some of these fires". I laughed. Yes, BLM did start several. Bureau of Land Management

As long as they yank Republican chains...they are a success in my opinion.

Not enough chains being yanked to tend to your thirst for fueling hate and division?

Hitler kept yanking chains until he had enough hate for Jews ginned up to take power in German and then drag the whole world into a bloody mindless war.

So, the goal is to piss people off in an effort to .... to what?

 

[icanhelp1]

Your comparing apples to oranges here....it's a conflation.
Gun violence and death rats are way up in many cities across the USA...mostly due to the disproportionate affect the economy has had in those areas due to covid.

The abstract addresses police causing deaths among black people.... totally different metric.

White cops killing unarmed black people is miniscule by comparison to black on black murders, but *crickets*.

BLM is not interested in violence against black people otherwise they would address black on black violence in Chicago, Baltimore and Ferguson. Addressing that issue would be self accusatory and would expose a defect in black culture * the breakdown of the family unit* *black kids without dads*