Picking up a dead story

[swimsuitkink]

My favourite story has not been updated in years!

https://www.literotica.com/s/unwanted-visitors

It's about four men breaking into a woman's house to gangbang her. In the latest chapter, the men make plans to take her to their tattoo parlour where more men are waiting, and better yet, she get her pussy tattooed!

Sadly the new chapter never came. I would write it myself, but have never had a tattoo. Any help?

 

[yibala2]

My favourite story has not been updated in years!

https://www.literotica.com/s/unwanted-visitors

It's about four men breaking into a woman's house to gangbang her. In the latest chapter, the men make plans to take her to their tattoo parlour where more men are waiting, and better yet, she get her pussy tattooed!

Sadly the new chapter never came. I would write it myself, but have never had a tattoo. Any help?

There are a lot of answers to your question, depending on what you really want. If you're not wanting to write the story yourself, then I would guess you've already reached out to the author.

If that doesn't work... what is it that appeals to you about that story? There are tens of thousands of stories here, and I can think of at least one off the bat that is similar in plot and theme. So figure out exactly what you like about this story and find more in that vein.

If that doesn't work, you could ask another author here to do a similar story. But you'd want to start by specifying what nuance in Unwanted Visitors appeals to you.

If you want to write something inspired by the original, you should give credit to the author in an author note. Writing about things you've never done is not as hard as you think. Most erotic fiction is fantasy with varying shreds of truth to it. Ask someone who has had a tattoo, or read an account. You could probably find stories that describe getting that sort of tattoo right here on Lit. You don't need to have had the experience yourself. All you need is a few details to make your story plausible.

Good luck.

-Yib

 

[KeithD]

If you want to write something inspired by the original, you should give credit to the author in an author note.

Not necessarily. Everything is inspired by something else. Something happening externally to several at one time (e.g., a new TV commercial) can inspire the same inspiration in multiple people at the same time. That doesn't mean that only one of them or even the originator of what inspired the inspiration owns the inspiration and needs to be credited with its use. No one owns an inspiration.

 

[swimsuitkink]

There are a lot of answers to your question, depending on what you really want. If you're not wanting to write the story yourself, then I would guess you've already reached out to the author.

If that doesn't work... what is it that appeals to you about that story? There are tens of thousands of stories here, and I can think of at least one off the bat that is similar in plot and theme. So figure out exactly what you like about this story and find more in that vein.

If that doesn't work, you could ask another author here to do a similar story. But you'd want to start by specifying what nuance in Unwanted Visitors appeals to you.

If you want to write something inspired by the original, you should give credit to the author in an author note. Writing about things you've never done is not as hard as you think. Most erotic fiction is fantasy with varying shreds of truth to it. Ask someone who has had a tattoo, or read an account. You could probably find stories that describe getting that sort of tattoo right here on Lit. You don't need to have had the experience yourself. All you need is a few details to make your story plausible.

Good luck.

-Yib

The author's not receiving messages and it was written more than a decade ago.

I'm happy to continue where they left off with due credit. I could ask another author to collaborate and take over writing the tattoo part. Maybe over a google drive document with burner emails. Have I come to the right place?

I enjoy the directness of the story. The bulk of its text dives into dick-in-hole action, ejaculation and how good it feels, with little context or buildup. The author's other story suggests that the dudes at the tattoo parlour are well-built and well-endowed, let's keep it that way.

 

[KeithD]

The author's not receiving messages and it was written more than a decade ago.

Which has absolutely no bearing on whether it's ethical to add to it. It isn't the original author's responsibility to stave off this activity; it's the requesting writer's responsibility to get written permissions.

 

[AlinaX]

Is it not essentially a form of fan fiction?

 

[KeithD]

Is it not essentially a form of fan fiction?

Umm, no. This is about something someone has written. Fan fiction isn't building on something a celebrity has written about themselves.

I really can't understand how a writer, who presumably wants to protect his/her own proprietary rights, can't "get it" about respecting the proprietary rights of other writers.

 

[yibala2]

The author's not receiving messages and it was written more than a decade ago.

I'm happy to continue where they left off with due credit. I could ask another author to collaborate and take over writing the tattoo part. Maybe over a google drive document with burner emails. Have I come to the right place?

My guess is that the Story Ideas forum is best for collaboration proposals.

-Yib

 

[AlinaX]

Umm, no. This is about something someone has written. Fan fiction isn't building on something a celebrity has written about themselves.

I really can't understand how a writer, who presumably wants to protect his/her own proprietary rights, can't "get it" about respecting the proprietary rights of other writers.

So, someone choosing to write Harry Potter fan fiction is different from some writing another chapter of a Literotica story?

 

[KeithD]

So, someone choosing to write Harry Potter fan fiction is different from some writing another chapter of a Literotica story?

Yes, by the same principle that a nonpublic person has more rights against slander and libel than a celebrity does. There's a sliding scale involved, so, ipso facto "different." But I wouldn't do either of those. I don't think fan fiction should be written either. I don't campaign against it; I just shun it.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

So, someone choosing to write Harry Potter fan fiction is different from some writing another chapter of a Literotica story?

it's bad form to take up somebody's work and continue it as is without their permission. IMO, to do so is another example of the erosion of standards proliferating in general throughout the world.

the OP could take the kernel of the idea and re-write the piece from scratch. or someone else could.

 

[AlinaX]

Okay, so given that Literotica permits fan fiction, within certain limits, there's a sliding scale of some sort and a line drawn between major public original sources and minor public original sources?

Not sure about this bad form and standards argument, though. The argument runs that Intellectual Property law protects the little guy, but it's sure great for building monopolies and warehousing content.

I don't myself like either reading or writing fan fiction, but there have been times when I've felt compelled to write short pieces to tell a story that was important to me, and I can see the value that fan fiction has brought to the fanbases of, e.g., Star Trek and Supergirl.

In this case... If it's labelled fan fiction and not commercialised, I don't see it as *necessarily* wrong. However, I doubt Laurel would want to piss off a swathe of contributing authors by allowing it.

 

[KeithD]

Okay, so given that Literotica permits fan fiction, within certain limits, there's a sliding scale of some sort and a line drawn between major public original sources and minor public original sources?

Not sure about this bad form and standards argument, though. The argument runs that Intellectual Property law protects the little guy, but it's sure great for building monopolies and warehousing content.

I don't myself like either reading or writing fan fiction, but there have been times when I've felt compelled to write short pieces to tell a story that was important to me, and I can see the value that fan fiction has brought to the fanbases of, e.g., Star Trek and Supergirl.

In this case... If it's labelled fan fiction and not commercialised, I don't see it as *necessarily* wrong. However, I doubt Laurel would want to piss off a swathe of contributing authors by allowing it.

Of course a writer will try to define everything to allow them to do what they want to do--even if they wouldn't want it done to them. Here at Literotica, though, having a story accepted to and kept in the file depends on what Laurel thinks, not what a writer would like to do (even if they wouldn't want it done to them). I'm happy with leaving it there. I think the ethics of this are pretty clear.

The OP has been given the ethical way to proceed by posters here already. Construct a story premise where the story you want to add to stops. Use fresh characters and setting, and then write your own damn story to suit yourself. No one owns a story theme premise.

 

[lovecraft68]

There is not a variety of answers to this, there is one

You don't do it unless you can get in touch with the original author(like someone did with me when they wanted to do a follow up to a stand alone story I wrote) and get their permission and put that in an author's note that you have it. Even better try and see if the author will comment on the story under his handle giving it their blessing, again what I did for that person who asked about my work.

Otherwise you're stealing someone's work.

If anyone here doesn't find that answer satisfactory, then go ahead and do it. You'll get a lot of comments from fans of the original series accusing you of stealing and more than a few are going to report the story to laurel who will remove it.

This is asked and argued over often enough its needs a sticky somewhere.

 

[AlinaX]

Did I disagree with any of that? I don't think so.

What I'm arguing is that non-commercial derivative works of Literotica stories are a form of fan fiction, which the site itself allows, in part. KeithD says there's a sliding scale, or something, but I don't know if that's a real thing, legally.

 

[KeithD]

Did I disagree with any of that? I don't think so.

What I'm arguing is that non-commercial derivative works of Literotica stories are a form of fan fiction, which the site itself allows, in part. KeithD says there's a sliding scale, or something, but I don't know if that's a real thing, legally.

That's exactly the legal thing--that sliding scale determination of whether someone has been slandered or libeled.

I don't really get what part of "Laurel will delete a story that's screwed around with someone else's story without permission" some folks here refuse to get.

 

[AlinaX]

That's exactly the legal thing--that sliding scale determination of whether someone has been slandered or libeled.

I don't really get what part of "Laurel will delete a story that's screwed around with someone else's story without permission" some folks here refuse to get.

I don't get why you think no one is getting that. Of course they do.

But you can't argue that copyright is a black-and-white thing while talking about sliding scales and ignoring how problematic copyright laws are.

Intellectual Property rights need to be much more limited in both time and scope.

 

[KeithD]

Intellectual Property rights need to be much more limited in both time and scope.

I'll leave you to spit in the wind on that.

Copyright doesn't have to be anything that you want it to be. It isn't cut and dried and there isn't a damn thing you can dictate about that.

The issue here is what will be permitted to exist in the Literotica file.

 

[B_Couric]

If I was a legit money making author and I thought fan fiction would help sell product, I'd say go for it. But I'm not. That said, I might give permission if somebody asked, depending on the story.

The reason I haven't expanded on my best two part series is they were hard as hell to write properly, a little bit of lightening in a bottle creatively, and I don't want to ruin it. I'd rather let the characters live on in the imagination as I wrote it - Quality stroke bank material. Hah.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

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[swimsuitkink]

ethical

Get on the internet and everyone turns into a legal expert and moral crusader.

This is a porn site. We're indulging in guilty pleasures on incognito instead of being productive. Our protagonist gets sexually assaulted by multiple men. She is confined for 72 hours beyond which HIV post-exposure prophylaxis is useless. Nothing here is ethical.

I've spoken privately with some members, and will not continue the story as it will be either unrealistic or the same old uninspired gangbang. That being said, there is a sliding scale between hijacking an active story, and picking up a dead one from a long-inactive user a decade ago. We're here to quickly get off and get back with our lives, yet it's so difficult to have a conversation about anything without getting derailed by second- and third-order ethical considerations.

 

[KeithD]

Get on the internet and everyone turns into a legal expert and moral crusader.

And so many show how self-centered they are. (nods in agreement on finding all kinds on the Internet.)

Legal experts use the Internet too, you know--along with those who have no moral grounding.

It doesn't matter what you, I, or your imaginary friends think about this policy. It only matters what the owners of the Web site think on whether you can indulge yourself with this. I think you've been informed what their policy is. You asked; sorry that you don't like the answer. (Well, no, I'm not actually sorry.)