The female perspective.

[MColton84]

No need to apologize. You've got nothing to apologize for. Just ignore the trolling, ask questions, even if others consider the pursuit of knowledge a cop-out, and try to be the best you can be. You're a great guy. Just don't let it get to you.

Thanks Nat!

 

[MColton84]

I can't figure out anything you need to apologize about. This is one of those threads that went sideways and I'm not sure what happened. But it's not your fault. Don't feel shy about posting questions. Keep it up, even if you don't know what's going to happen!

Thanks Simon,

I don't know what happened. I have been taking notes, exchanging messages with multiple members and reading the stories recommended. This has been a tremendous learning experience for me and I hope to participate in other threads as well. I appreciate the responses that everyone has given, as well as, those who have given them.

 

[KeithD]

Am I the only person who is completely confused by the direction this thread has taken? Apparently, I offended someone, as did others.

I don't understand what's been written enough to even respond.

Peace, friends.

No. The same poster went after me nastily a week or so ago on totally irrelevant points to anything I was posting--and I received a PM from someone at the time who said she'd done the same thing to him.

Again, I suggest just snubbing her until she can lose the nasty attitude and belligerent posting.

 

[MsNatalie99]

No. The same poster went after me nastily a week or so ago on totally irrelevant points to anything I was posting--and I received a PM from someone at the time who said she'd done the same thing to him.

Again, I suggest just snubbing her until she can lose the nasty attitude and belligerent posting.

I agree. It's not worth your anger. You will only end up saying something that you regret or get you into trouble. If it doesn't benefit you to read it then keep scrolling.

 

[Superjeebus65]

Hmm.. I've always been told 'no such thing as a stupid question'

There was nothing offensive in the OP's post - he said 'relatively foreign to me' not 'I haven't got a clue'. His expression ‘I of course have no idea what a woman feels during sex.’ can hardly be described as anything other than unpresumptuous. If he’s have come out and said ‘I’ve got a pretty good idea of how a woman feels’ you’d have "borked" him right away.

Wind your necks in guys - it may have been a naive question from your pov, but there's no need to give the guy a kicking.

You are right. I was trying to make a point about attacking someone for asking a question. The actual post was rude and tactless. Thank you MColton84 for the PM. It was kind of you to express your disapproval without hostility. Sorry for any undue pain

 

[AlexBailey]

Thanks to everyone for keeping cool heads and being curious enough to reach across the divide. Unfortunately there will always be those with an axe to grind.

My 2¢:

In my twenties I was a femme male living within a lesbian activist community, and although I was welcome as friend and family by the vast majority of our social group, there were those who would be triggered by my mere existance.

My girlfriend (life long lesbian except for the three + years we were together) was dissinvited to many events simply because she had a 'boyfriend'. It was difficult it to not take it personally, but I always felt sorry for the angry girls because I figured there was some trauma in their past that must have made them feel that way.

One night during a talk around a campfire with about twenty 'wimin' and me, the subject of prejudice against males and the many reasons for it came up along with a tremendous amount of emotion and some hostility toward me and the fact that I was hurting my girlfriend within our social circle simply by being her partner.

One of our friends took up the speaking stick and asked everyone to imagine this same conversation with all of the gender roles reversed and to listen to the words and feelings they were sharing. It was a shocking idea to many of us. The conversation went into the 'us vs. them' mentality and how easily it can infect and be reinforced in group think.

The consensus reached around the campfire was that we all should regularly check what we believe and do not assume that perspectives are shared or valid for everyone within any group. Some people are interested in bridging gaps while others are interested in widening them no matter what their underlying causes may be.

I commend everyone who builds bridges and humbly seeks a better understanding.

 

[46n2]

I can't HELP but be aware of you. And you are CLUELESS about me???

Right?

“Hmm… hole. I wonder if… golly gee, it’s a match! I suppose I’ll just, keep on doing it then. This seems worth doing.”

Yeah, we’ve got to do better than that as men, me thinks.

I’m not entirely sure what causes a man to want to, however. You know, there’s that litany of things that one man (or boy) might encounter from another. Is that the reason? Is it cultivated along the way? Or are some of us just sort of born that way? I honestly have to wonder. I don’t have one single male friend who sees it quite the way I do. There are of course many common agreements but the whole, “I’m ALL IN there, man!” thing? They simply don’t quite see it that way. They like how it feels. They like adding another notch to the bedpost. They like being able to brag about it. They like ‘doing what they’re supposed to like’ (or being seen the way they’d like to be seen). They like the way it looks while they’re doing it. Some like watching what they’re doing and some like watching you receiving it. They like that you’ll let them (or that they talked you into it). Most of it is just massaging their male bravado (which we should not piss on, btw ladies. You’re going to miss the male bravado thing once you’ve completely caged the entire lot of us, lawl). But being “enveloped” by you? The recognition that you agreed to invite them into all that is you that way? That their not just a cock? Sorry to say that’s mostly lost on most men entirely. Not all. Most.

Maybe what follows birth can help cause (or curb) what’s already there. But if it’s NOT there to begin with at all? I would guess it’s simply not going to be. Some things you can’t quite learn up from zero. So where does it come from, eh?

Powerful line there, Imi:
I can’t HELP but be aware of you. And you are CLUELESS about me???

That certainly does explain a lot of grief that women have endured since caveman grab rock, eh.

Here’s a new one for ya though: What happens when she doesn’t have any idea at all what to do with actually being felt for once? She panics. That’s what. And then? Bad things, man…

; )

 

[MColton84]

Proofreading

Thank you everyone, for your feedback and help with this. I've been writing the story with a multiple points of view, both male and female. I should be writing the actual sexual interaction from the female point of view over the weekend and into next week. It's taking me a little while. I've been out of work so it's a lot of extra hours to catch up. I was wondering if anyone was willing to volunteer to read that portion of the story and offer some feedback. Ie sounds good, too much Anatomy talk, women don't think like that Etc.

I have been having my wife as well as my editor helping with the non-sexual content, however, where my wife may support my writing erotica, she has no interest in reading it. I was hoping for one male and one female author. Once more, let me stress how grateful I am for everyone that's offered their input it on this. It's given me a lot to think about and it's allowed me to open my eyes to a whole nother set of possibilities.
If you are interested please let me know via PM

 

[46n2]

MColt84

I was plenty rude in my reaction. And it’s fair to call me out on that (Sticky). I meant it as a bit of a kick in the ass, however. Shatter your shell, to some degree.

Having absorbed and thought some more of how you’re going about the asking? I would encourage you to have a frank discussion with your wife. To insist upon it. Even if that’s not your style? Yer gonna have to. Because you can’t be TOLD how to think like her. Yer gonna have to be a part of the answer.

Next time you’re inside her? Ask. Ask her to tell you what she feels. Even if it's awkward. Go there. You want to know. And I bet she wants you to also.

Not that you need to become someone else completely going forward (you should never do that, maintain who you are on the whole). But if you really want that answer? She’s right there, mate.

PS. When she tells you she doesn’t like it on the face? She doesn’t know any better, do it anyway.

(I keeeed, I keeed!! Comedy. That’s comedy. No need to string me up by the gonads. Comedy, haha. Be well.)

>re: other posters
I’m attempting to maintaining objectivity here but, what would be the point of slandering another poster about being excited I called out men on not trying hard enough to FEEL a woman? Now it’s her fault?! “Hurray, someone recognized I’m not being felt well enough and I don’t want to ASK for it!!”

I mean, isn’t that a fair response?

It’s not okay to offer up Colton a little butt slap, ‘go on and get in there’. But it IS okay to shout down a frustrated cunny? (I don't know the history)

I dunno. I think both sexes have plenty reasonable to be upset about these days. We can talk it out, eh? And if peeps get too damn upset about it all? There’s always some fuckin can be done to solve all that. Including Klingon’s, they need action too, yes?

-Colton ASKED. And that’s more than can be said for most men. Now move it forward from there, mate. That’s the message (intended) that I think we can all agree on.

Men must be accountable
And so must women be
‘nuff said

Not that that’s EVER going to actually fucking happen to any measurable degree.


>
Having read the rest of the thread? I’ll take my own advice:

I fucked that up. I altered the tone. I do that. That’s my bad. And I'll do it again (no doubt).

Here’s hoping there’s something to gain from that discussion anyway. Cuz there is.

 

[46n2]

I have been having my wife as well as my editor helping with the non-sexual content, however, where my wife may support my writing erotica, she has no interest in reading it. I was hoping for one male and one female author. Once more, let me stress how grateful I am for everyone that's offered their input it on this. It's given me a lot to think about and it's allowed me to open my eyes to a whole nother set of possibilities.
If you are interested please let me know via PM

Glad to hear that's moving forward. Since you're swapping both narrations back and forth? I would recommend you use each follow up POV to HEAR what the previous one said. And respond how it feels that character maybe oughta. You're not You - you're them. Insert yourself.

No pun intended ; )

 

[MColton84]

MColt84

I was plenty rude in my reaction. And it’s fair to call me out on that (Sticky). I meant it as a bit of a kick in the ass, however. Shatter your shell, to some degree.

Having absorbed and thought some more of how you’re going about the asking? I would encourage you to have a frank discussion with your wife. To insist upon it. Even if that’s not your style? Yer gonna have to. Because you can’t be TOLD how to think like her. Yer gonna have to be a part of the answer.

Next time you’re inside her? Ask. Ask her to tell you what she feels. Even if it's awkward. Go there. You want to know. And I bet she wants you to also.

Not that you need to become someone else completely going forward (you should never do that, maintain who you are on the whole). But if you really want that answer? She’s right there, mate.

PS. When she tells you she doesn’t like it on the face? She doesn’t know any better, do it anyway.

(I keeeed, I keeed!! Comedy. That’s comedy. No need to string me up by the gonads. Comedy, haha. Be well.)

>re: other posters
I’m attempting to maintaining objectivity here but, what would be the point of slandering another poster about being excited I called out men on not trying hard enough to FEEL a woman? Now it’s her fault?! “Hurray, someone recognized I’m not being felt well enough and I don’t want to ASK for it!!”

I mean, isn’t that a fair response?

It’s not okay to offer up Colton a little butt slap, ‘go on and get in there’. But it IS okay to shout down a frustrated cunny? (I don't know the history)

I dunno. I think both sexes have plenty reasonable to be upset about these days. We can talk it out, eh? And if peeps get too damn upset about it all? There’s always some fuckin can be done to solve all that. Including Klingon’s, they need action too, yes?

-Colton ASKED. And that’s more than can be said for most men. Now move it forward from there, mate. That’s the message (intended) that I think we can all agree on.

Men must be accountable
And so must women be
‘nuff said

Not that that’s EVER going to actually fucking happen to any measurable degree.


>
Having read the rest of the thread? I’ll take my own advice:

I fucked that up. I altered the tone. I do that. That’s my bad. And I'll do it again (no doubt).

Here’s hoping there’s something to gain from that discussion anyway. Cuz there is.

I appreciate your reaching out. I will say that I don't require any advice on my marriage. Nor do I have need for advice in my bed. Thank you for responding and no hard feelings. But keep to your own yard.

 

[KeithD]

Do we have a poster playing two parts (or more) on this thread?

 

[MColton84]

Do we have a poster playing two parts (or more) on this thread?

Crossed my mind.

 

[46n2]

I appreciate your reaching out. I will say that I don't require any advice on my marriage. Nor do I have need for advice in my bed. Thank you for responding and no hard feelings. But keep to your own yard.

Fair enough, mate. Well said.

 

[46n2]

Do we have a poster playing two parts (or more) on this thread?

Really? Go down the wormhole. Go there.

I am L

Or possibly NOP, or any of.

Dude. I mentioned something that doesn't get mentioned much. Another poster liked it. I did it wrong. She got shat on. Now yer all in bed with... conspiracies?!

I left this board shortly after 9-11.

Go look it up. Find out who I really am. Dope.

 

[KeithD]

I'm not interested in these games.

 

[46n2]

My apologies about the letter M. I forgot to mention M.

Everyone go back to your swaddling clothes and all the butt wiping now. That how we get things done. For ourselves.

 

[46n2]

I'm not interested in these games.

Oh, but I am D. Didn't you just introduce it?

 

[MsNatalie99]

Really? Go down the wormhole. Go there.

I am L

Or possibly NOP, or any of.

Dude. I mentioned something that doesn't get mentioned much. Another poster liked it. I did it wrong. She got shat on. Now yer all in bed with... conspiracies?!

I left this board shortly after 9-11.

Go look it up. Find out who I really am. Dope.

Honestly, what is your problem? You don’t make a point, you jump on attacking people just like your little friend. You want to have a conversation with grown folks, than act like one. Otherwise you’re little more than a troll.

 

[MColton84]

Oh, but I am D. Didn't you just introduce it?

I really see no reason for all the hostility in this thread. This isn't politics or religion, not race or government policies. Why not make it a civil conversation?

 

[46n2]

Okay then. I'll just say it:

Women aren't getting what they want.
And neither are men.

Do you know why? Or is your inert sense of censor less stupid than mine?

You could go on to prove your point about how I'm a dipshit and I don't do/say things right and how more of the way you might want it might be better...

But would you be right? You wouldn't.

Cuz it goes to a vote... bitch.

And COCK. Does not behave.

 

[46n2]

I'm a troll.

Beep beep. Meep meep meep.

 

[46n2]

Start a new thread.

I'll fight for my position (cuz you cant see it). But not right now. I've done it wrong just now and did it before wrong as well. We can fight about this later.

And it IS worth fighting about.

 

[MColton84]

Start a new thread.

I'll fight for my position (cuz you cant see it). But not right now. I've done it wrong just now and did it before wrong as well. We can fight about this later.

And it IS worth fighting about.

What position? What opinion? popping in to proclaim your love for disruption? How does this benefit your message? Honestly I want to know what you have to say. But I can't hear your thoughts through the aggressive behavior. Also it isn't a conversation if you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is less intelligent. "Get a new thread" calling people "bitch", we're not ignoring your beliefs. We are disregarding the petulant tantrums of a child. It's not the opinion that is causing strife, but the fact that it is delivered with a bitch slap. I can't imagine that anyone of merit will take you seriously when you conduct yourself so shamelessly. All I can do is feel sorry for you. You must be pretty low in your world to play so big here. That is all I can think to say on this. I will not be responding to any more of your posts, or acknowledge any more of your tantrums. Have a good day and a nice life. May you find your audience.

 

[46n2]

What position? What opinion? popping in to proclaim your love for disruption? How does this benefit your message? Honestly I want to know what you have to say. But I can't hear your thoughts through the aggressive behavior. Also it isn't a conversation if you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is less intelligent. "Get a new thread" calling people "bitch", we're not ignoring your beliefs. We are disregarding the petulant tantrums of a child. It's not the opinion that is causing strife, but the fact that it is delivered with a bitch slap. I can't imagine that anyone of merit will take you seriously when you conduct yourself so shamelessly. All I can do is feel sorry for you. You must be pretty low in your world to play so big here. That is all I can think to say on this. I will not be responding to any more of your posts, or acknowledge any more of your tantrums. Have a good day and a nice life. May you find your audience.

Copy that, mate. My apologies to your wife.