Is rape an acceptable plot?

[travisgee]

I hate to waste my time writing if rape cannot be the theme of a posted story. Please advise. Thanks.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I hate to waste my time writing if rape cannot be the theme of a posted story. Please advise. Thanks.

The rules are in one sense fuzzy and in another sense very clear. The bottom line is that writing about forced sex or non-consensual sex (which is as it happens an entire section in Literotica) is basically OK so long as the victim ultimately derives some pleasure from it. So, if your definition of 'rape' winds up with the 'rapee' enjoying themselves, then yes.

There are exceptions, of course. I did one story, April's Fool, in which the protagonist was kidnapped and raped. Without offering a spoiler, she didn't enjoy it but ultimately was revenged on her kidnapper in exquisite fashion. That story was accepted.

Ultimately, the site owner, Laurel, makes the call. You pays your money, you takes your chances.

 

[SisterJezabel]

I deal with the aftermaths of a rape in Escaping her Past and it was never sent back.

 

[colddiesel]

Ultimately, 99% of 'Mind Control' stories are rape themed. The whole point of this category is the absence of consent.

 

[Isabel_Innuende]

I hate to waste my time writing if rape cannot be the theme of a posted story. Please advise. Thanks.

Rape-themed stories are incredibly popular on Literotica. There is an entire section devoted to them, "Nonconsent/Reluctance". There is also the "Mind Control" section, which is a very specific type of rape story, and then the "Erotic Horror" category, which is not strictly rape-themed, but the stories, being horror-themed, often feature rape. Having said that, there are some rules about what will and won't be accepted.

According to this often-quoted guideline:

Was there excessive violence, snuff, or abuse of characters in your story?

Your story was too extreme for our guidelines. These judgments are subjective, and thus we can't give an exact definition of what exactly is "too much". Certain "violence" in a BDSM situation between consenting adults may be allowed, while the same "violence" between strangers in a non-consentual situation will not. Tone and respect for characters, as well as the "violent" scene within the context of the story, are what we make our judgments upon. If your story is rejected for this, feel free to send the story back with a polite request for an explanation and we will tell you why it was rejected. If you disagree with our assessment, you are more than welcome to publish your story elsewhere rather than alter it to our guidelines. We respect your rights as authors to write on whatever you like, however you like.

Added by Laurel for clarification: While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.

Here's an example of a fairly violent rape story in which the victim eventually "enjoys" it:

Tuesday Night Rape

Here's an example of a story in which the victim gets no enjoyment out of it, but I'm assuming since the violence is less extreme it's allowed for some reason (Honestly, I have no idea how this one got through.):

Just the Tip

This should be a fairly good indication of the limits of what is allowed.

 

[stickygirl]

The rules are in one sense fuzzy and in another sense very clear. The bottom line is that writing about forced sex or non-consensual sex (which is as it happens an entire section in Literotica) is basically OK so long as the victim ultimately derives some pleasure from it. So, if your definition of 'rape' winds up with the 'rapee' enjoying themselves, then yes.

I find that concept very difficult to deal with even in fiction.

People play at rape in relationships where there is some implicit or agreed consent, so if that is acknowledged in the story, then that's one thing and kinda okay. Suggesting that rape is a means of 'educating' or 'convincing' a reluctant victim in my view is not acceptable.

Just read Laurels guidance in Isabel's quote ^^ and yup *nods* I'll go with that.

 

[soulhouse]

Ultimately, 99% of 'Mind Control' stories are rape themed. The whole point of this category is the absence of consent.

If the mind control is a result of sex, rather than sex the result of mind control, is it still rape? For that matter, does it still belong in the "Mind Control" genre?

 

[TarnishedPenny]

stickygirl, your hesitation is fully understood. The odds of the victim in a real rape enjoying it are infinitesimal.

FWIW, I was requested to write N/C by a couple to centre on her rape fantasy. I did it but hardly enjoyed even writing it.

 

[Isabel_Innuende]

I find that concept very difficult to deal with even in fiction.

People play at rape in relationships where there is some implicit or agreed consent, so if that is acknowledged in the story, then that's one thing and kinda okay. Suggesting that rape is a means of 'educating' or 'convincing' a reluctant victim in my view is not acceptable.

Just read Laurels guidance in Isabel's quote ^^ and yup *nods* I'll go with that.

I find it hard to accept too. It's creepy because that's the argument that real rapists use to justify their actions. "Well, they secretly wanted it, so it wasn't rape." Having a rule that, "rape stories are okay if the victim likes it" seems to play into that misogynistic and harmful belief.

Having said that, I get why Laurel has made this rule. This is a website for adults with adult fantasies. Rape fantasies are incredibly common, but for the most part in people's nonconsensual fantasies, the victim eventually "likes" it. Laurel is, understandably, against extremely violent, cruel, sadistic stories about rapists getting off on the pain of their victims, and doesn't want that on her site. I think that is a pretty niche form of sex fantasy, and for the most part, that's not what people would like to see on Literotica.

I hope that when people read these sorts of fantasies in which the victim eventually "likes" it, they have the critical thinking skills to understand that these are just fantasies and that rape victims don't all secretly want it in real life.

I have done a lot of thinking about this myself, as a person who has nonconsent fantasies, and who likes to write on those themes. I struggled with the morality of this for years, thinking I was a horrible person for what I got off on, and worrying that if I shared these thoughts with the world, I was encouraging rapists somehow. I've come to accept over time that billions of other people have the same fantasies, and most of those people are just normal humans who understand the difference between fantasy and reality and would never violate another person's consent in real life.

 

[stickygirl]

I find it hard to accept too. It's creepy because that's the argument that real rapists use to justify their actions. "Well, they secretly wanted it, so
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and most of those people are just normal humans who understand the difference between fantasy and reality and would never violate another person's consent in real life.

I don't believe reading rape-orientated fiction is a gateway to the crime. I do believe that in a sense, it normalises the crime. I won't say more than that or else we'll turn the thread into a discussion about the crime, which isn't the OPs intention.

 

[Isabel_Innuende]

I don't believe reading rape-orientated fiction is a gateway to the crime. I do believe that in a sense, it normalises the crime. I won't say more than that or else we'll turn the thread into a discussion about the crime, which isn't the OPs intention.

I respectfully disagree, but fair enough. That is not the intent of the thread. If you want to discuss it elsewhere, I'm happy to do that, but I understand if you find discussing it traumatising, or distasteful, or just not something you want to get into. It is something that I feel very strongly about, and because I've spent a lot of my life wrestling with this moral question, I do think it's important to talk about it. Totally understand if you don't want to discuss it, though.

 

[AllenWoody]

I've written quite a few non-consent stories. The first one, "Megan's Coercion", got sent back the first time because while the woman reluctantly allowed the guy to fuck her, she didn't get any enjoyment out of it. I made just a few tweaks by adding a vibrator and making it clear she had a powerful orgasm. After that it was accepted.

There are some stories on the site where a woman is kidnapped, fucked against her will, sometimes by multiple guys, then at the very end there is a reveal where the kidnapper turns out to be her husband or the like. I personally think those plots are a cop-out, but they do get published.