The death of the Republican Party...Jan 06, 2021

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/140...-biden-electoral-college-confirmation-2020-12

The big news really isn't this protest vote, which has zero chance of having any impact on the 2020 General Election results.

The big news is we are watching the Republican split almost in two. It looks likely, based on the zealots who support Trump, that this is already a hardened split.

The consequences are: The Republicans have set themselves up to have extraordinary failure in the future at winning swing state elections and elections that are close across the board.

Democrats really don't have anything to do but watch this play out and reap the rewards of a party taking itself out of play, out of having any significant role in American Government.

I'm am very glad to see Republicans acting crazy...this is actually a good thing long term. We now know who all the crazies are and can promptly move on from them as we transition back to some sanity on Jan. 20th.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/140...-biden-electoral-college-confirmation-2020-12

The big news really isn't this protest vote, which has zero chance of having any impact on the 2020 General Election results.

The big news is we are watching the Republican split almost in two. It looks likely, based on the zealots who support Trump, that this is already a hardened split.

The consequences are: The Republicans have set themselves up to have extraordinary failure in the future at winning swing state elections and elections that are close across the board.

Democrats really don't have anything to do but watch this play out and reap the rewards of a party taking itself out of play, out of having any significant role in American Government.

I'm am very glad to see Republicans acting crazy...this is actually a good thing long term. We now know who all the crazies are and can promptly move on from them as we transition back to some sanity on Jan. 20th.

If the GOP doesn't actually splinter into two parties, then this problem of far right thinking idiots will just muddy the waters within the party.

That may not equate to Republicans losing elections. Just interesting Primaries I suspect...

 

[Ranger3753]

Source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/140...-biden-electoral-college-confirmation-2020-12

The big news really isn't this protest vote, which has zero chance of having any impact on the 2020 General Election results.

The big news is we are watching the Republican split almost in two. It looks likely, based on the zealots who support Trump, that this is already a hardened split.

The consequences are: The Republicans have set themselves up to have extraordinary failure in the future at winning swing state elections and elections that are close across the board.

Democrats really don't have anything to do but watch this play out and reap the rewards of a party taking itself out of play, out of having any significant role in American Government.

I'm am very glad to see Republicans acting crazy...this is actually a good thing long term. We now know who all the crazies are and can promptly move on from them as we transition back to some sanity on Jan. 20th.

People have been lamenting/predicting the demise of the Republican Party since Obama was elected in 2008. Yet they're still here.

I don't think this will do anything to the Republican Party. They've become a party of extremists, losers, incels, and the moronically stupid. The Republican Party of today appeals to these ingrates. The sane and non-traitorous Republicans may splinter off and form a new party, but the GOP itself is not going anywhere any time soon.

 

[LupusDei]

People have been lamenting/predicting the demise of the Republican Party since Obama was elected in 2008. Yet they're still here.

I don't think this will do anything to the Republican Party. They've become a party of extremists, losers, incels, and the moronically stupid. The Republican Party of today appeals to these ingrates. The sane and non-traitorous Republicans may splinter off and form a new party, but the GOP itself is not going anywhere any time soon.

It's a long process, I would hazard a guess. It's not like there suddenly will be four or five nearly equal parties in the US by 2025, even if it seemingly could happen, probably should in healthier political environment. The strength of the tradition and system rewarding two broad coalitions will prevent that. We don't know how many non-Trump Republicans there really are in the general public as the other part is so much louder.

So let's say, Trump-Qanon sub-coalition primaries the remaining relatively sane no-Trump establishment candidates on the next opportunity. Supposedly they may be able to do that, else the fear of Trump's tweets wasn't so intense. How would the faction dissenting vote in the general election? How long they would tag along and how far in obvious insanity only to not give the other option a chance?

 

[adrina]

Republicans support this:

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

At another point, Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

Several of his allies were on the line as he spoke, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and conservative lawyer Cleta Mitchell, a prominent GOP lawyer whose involvement with Trump’s efforts had not been previously known.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

 

[WillJ8787]

"It's a long process"

I agree....this all started with Gingrich for Republicans and the tea party and now Trumptards...it is the result of what started with Gingrich.

I can't wait to see the new face emerge and whatch those left out blowing in the wind.

 

[coati]

Republicans are now officially the party of autocracy. Winning an election has become too hard for them. Democracy just requires too much work and competency, which would conflict with their daily corruption schedule.

Besides, 48% of American voters are easily brainwashed into thinking that democracy and the American election process only works when Republicans win.

Therefore, all Republicans who won in the last election won fair and square, and the few Republicans who lost in the same election were the victims of unspecified and non-supported election abnormalities.

Yes, this is the face of the new Republican Party. The party of autocratic crybabies.

 

[LupusDei]

Steve Schmidt on Twitter

January 6, will be a historic day in America. The battle lines will be drawn. The Autocrats will step forward into the light. They will include a majority of the House GOP Conference. After the 6th*@GOPLeader*will be the leader of House Autocrats and*@Liz_Cheney*will be the*Leader of House Conservatives. They will include a substantial number of GOP Senators and almost all of the known GOP Presidential aspirants.

 

[Sean Renaud]

People have been lamenting/predicting the demise of the Republican Party since Obama was elected in 2008. Yet they're still here.

I don't think this will do anything to the Republican Party. They've become a party of extremists, losers, incels, and the moronically stupid. The Republican Party of today appeals to these ingrates. The sane and non-traitorous Republicans may splinter off and form a new party, but the GOP itself is not going anywhere any time soon.

Considering they have one of very few presidents to lose a relelection bid and haven't won the majority in a minute means that wasn't really premature. Now tbf The Republicans as a party will likely be here as long as we have a country and its not impossible that they outlive the "country" (depending on how you define country) its more matter of what their core values are going to end up being. How much longer can they hold on this or that.

Shy of us amending the Constitution I think Dems and Reps are essentially immortal and we might see a third pop up here or there but they will be fleeting things just to adjust the scales. So while I think this is definitely a major nail in the coffin what it REALLY means is that Romney, Perry and if she was sticking around Hillary would be the new proper Right and anything to the right of them would be considered utterly insane. The left would take longer to move but would shift to a world where AOC and Bernie are the Left but actually serious conversations about the environment and social programs and even cutting the military wouldn't be instant game overs.

 

[CornusKousa]

Hillary would be the new proper Right and anything to the right of them would be considered utterly insane.

Anything to the right of Hillary is insane.......LOL

Sean, just leave!!! You clearly LOATHE the USA and everything it's ever stood for.

There are like a hundred socialist shit holes for you to chose from, pick one! GO!!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Silence child, my boots fought your wars. You hate America and I bled for it.

 

[CornusKousa]

Silence child, my boots fought your wars. You hate America and I bled for it.

You openly loathe any shred of individual liberty, equality, civil rights and private property. Your authoritarian ideals and racist concepts are antithetical to the core values the USA was founded upon.


BTW I jumped into Afghanistan, invaded Iraq and did another tour of each...direct combat applications...I got a purple and white ribbon with oak leaves too

 

[Champakian]

They have been pronounced dead before.

 

[CornusKousa]

They have been pronounced dead before.

Every time (D)'s win the WH they always declare the other half of the country permanently defeated and never to be herd from again.

 

[Champakian]

heard

Yes, when Obama was elected along with a Congress the Republicans were assigned to the trash bin of history, a party of permanent minority status. It only took the Democrats two years to change that. I think they are trying to ignore losing seats in the House in their victory over Trump celebrations...

 

[Sean Renaud]

heard

Yes, when Obama was elected along with a Congress the Republicans were assigned to the trash bin of history, a party of permanent minority status. It only took the Democrats two years to change that. I think they are trying to ignore losing seats in the House in their victory over Trump celebrations...

The thing is if you look at the numbers they were right, they were just twenty years late at the time of pronouncing that.

 

[coati]

Well, one thing is certain. The Republicans are dead as an American political party, meaning one that respects the will of the electorate.

However, the Republicans are very much alive as a Russian political party, meaning one that respects the raw power of autocracy.

 

[Dribble]

Well, one thing is certain. The Republicans are dead as an American political party, meaning one that respects the will of the electorate.

However, the Republicans are very much alive as a Russian political party, meaning one that respects the raw power of autocracy.

I disagree. There are several Republicans that are embarrassed by their party.

What a smart group would do is create a new Party based on the center. They would encompass 67% of the voting Electorate....more than enough to win.

 

[LLCox]

You are seeing that the repubican party would support a Dictator if it was their guy. Do you see now why the right loves the uneducated. I have always said, never trust the Right Wing of Government and the Trump Cult is example #1. They care nothing for Democracy or the Constitution.

 

[coati]

I disagree. There are several Republicans that are embarrassed by their party.

So what? Their party as a whole is still very much involved in a race to the bottom. Their potential 2024 Presidential contenders are part of the group voting to withhold certification of the Electoral College vote.

Currently we are still a two party system, with the Republicans openly supporting autocracy (when they lose) and the Democrats openly supporting the Constitutionally-mandated election process (whether they win or lose).

This is not rocket science.

 

[YDB95]

What a smart group would do is create a new Party based on the center. They would encompass 67% of the voting Electorate....more than enough to win.

Keep in mind that while 67% of the electorate might identify as centrists, it isn't necessarily really the case. When you drill down and identify actual positions on the issues, most "moderates" are either quite liberal but don't embrace that label because it's been so vilified by the right, or quite conservative but don't want to be lumped in with the MAGAts. A party that really did focus strictly on the middle of the road probably wouldn't ultimately appeal to very many people at all.

 

[Dribble]

Keep in mind that while 67% of the electorate might identify as centrists, it isn't necessarily really the case. When you drill down and identify actual positions on the issues, most "moderates" are either quite liberal but don't embrace that label because it's been so vilified by the right, or quite conservative but don't want to be lumped in with the MAGAts. A party that really did focus strictly on the middle of the road probably wouldn't ultimately appeal to very many people at all.

No. There is always a bell shaped distribution. Always. It is immaterial where the "center" lies...it exists.

Edit...what you are suggesting is 2 distributions. There is no evidence of this

 

[YDB95]

No. There is always a bell shaped distribution. Always. It is immaterial where the "center" lies...it exists.

Edit...what you are suggesting is 2 distributions. There is no evidence of this

I guess you could interpret it as two distributions. One is where people like to believe they lie along the political spectrum, the other is where they really are. These are NOT always the same. Just about everyone I've ever met who has claimed to be "apolitical" or "right down the middle" has turned out to be identifiably off to one side or the other when you learn their opinions on individual issues.

 

[Dribble]

I guess you could interpret it as two distributions. One is where people like to believe they lie along the political spectrum, the other is where they really are. These are NOT always the same. Just about everyone I've ever met who has claimed to be "apolitical" or "right down the middle" has turned out to be identifiably off to one side or the other when you learn their opinions on individual issues.

This is one distribution. It is not uniform. It is a bell shaped distribution. With a center...and reduced numbers as you get further and further from that center. It is immaterial where people claim the center lies. It exists...even if it is left of where people think. The center is the center. Don't look at politicians. They are elected using a flawed primary system that forces representation away from the mean.

I am a life-long Democrat. I am a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Democrat. I favor the middle because that is how change happens

 

[YDB95]

This is one distribution. It is not uniform. It is a bell shaped distribution. With a center...and reduced numbers as you get further and further from that center. It is immaterial where people claim the center lies. It exists...even if it is left of where people think. The center is the center. Don't look at politicians. They are elected using a flawed primary system that forces representation away from the mean.

I am a life-long Democrat. I am a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Democrat. I favor the middle because that is how change happens

Okay, yes, there is only one centre. Now I see your point a bit better. I do, though, have to question whether change happens in the middle. When I think of most of the big changes that the USA has seen, it's mostly been under presidents who ran well away from the centre.