10 Countries with Universal Healthcare that are economically more free

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...nomically-freer-than-the-u-s/?sh=eaf5415137e6


It is so unfortunate and disgraceful that the message about Universal Healthcare being evil originates from the Right and from Repubs.

They are what stands in the way to becoming a civilized country and world leader in healthcare.

 

[Dribble]

Source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...nomically-freer-than-the-u-s/?sh=eaf5415137e6


It is so unfortunate and disgraceful that the message about Universal Healthcare being evil originates from the Right and from Repubs.

They are what stands in the way to becoming a civilized country and world leader in healthcare.

They are not the sharpest tools in the shed. But tools they are. It is beyond me how they scream and kick demanding free rights, but they give the largest right we have, freedom to think, willingly to their puppet masters.

First things first...now is not the time to implement universal health care...there is no way to pay for it with Covid...but now is the time to start thinking how we can do this in the next decade. Start simple....free health care for all children under age 17. Then add in different population segments with time. This is not a flip the switch program.

 

[WillJ8787]

Covid will help to create a step in the right direction.

We are not getting out if covid without a massive public private effort and that will help many see what is possible if the govt is all in regarding healthcare.

I'm optimistic especially now that we have a rational thinking person coming in as President.

 

[CornusKousa]

Covid will help to create a step in the right direction.

With all the freedom lockdowns??

LOL

Universal HC isn't evil, but most the (D)'s in the USA trying to implement it are.

And if it's so wonderful and (D)'s so for it because they really do care so much about the people and community.....why don't any of these progressive states have it???

Why is a federal 1 size fits all 50 states and 330 million people totalitarian nationalization of the HC industry the ONLY option the left will allow on the table??

Because it's money and power they are after, not providing HC to their communities.....if (D)'s gave a fuck about their communities the "progressive" states would be setting the example.

 

[LLCox]

You aren't going to beat the Insurance lobby.

 

[oggbashan]

You aren't going to beat the Insurance lobby.

Come the revolution, hang them next to the lawyers!

 

[CornusKousa]

Come the revolution, hang them next to the lawyers!

Oggy lets his Marxist side show a bit.....the honesty suits you ogg, you should be more honest about your desires for another Red terror taking the bourgeoisie to task!!

 

[oggbashan]

Oggy lets his Marxist side show a bit.....the honesty suits you ogg, you should be more honest about your desires for another Red terror taking the bourgeoisie to task!!

The health insurance lobby is fucking you (OK not you because you have VA) but everyone else over and you don't think they deserve to be removed?

PS. There won't be another American Revolution despite the second amendment. You are too happy to be exploited far more than the British ever did to the thirteen colonies.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The health insurance lobby is fucking you (OK not you because you have VA) but everyone else over and you don't think they deserve to be removed?

PS. There won't be another American Revolution despite the second amendment. You are too happy to be exploited far more than the British ever did to the thirteen colonies.

They won't believe you. They think they are "rational maximizers".

 

[QueequegsHead]

Not exactly a list of economic powerhouses, I mean, come on is Estonia really an economic model to emulate? Chile?

On the other hand, Nominal GDP Rankings by Country:

United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion)
China (GDP: 13.4 trillion)
Japan: (GDP: 4.97 trillion)
Germany: (GDP: 4.00 trillion)
United Kingdom: (GDP: 2.83 trillion)
France: (GDP: 2.78 trillion)
India: (GDP: 2.72 trillion)
Italy: (GDP: 2.07 trillion)

Somehow being in the top ten of economic freedom and being saddled with Universal Health Care does not correlate to economic excellence. What it amounts to is that Universal Health Care requires a high level of taxation and high levels of taxation retard economic output no matter how much "freedom" you imagine that you have offered. When you put the health of your nation upon the back of the wealth creation of your nation you get health at the loss of wealth. The ironic thing is that you can only afford the former if you have the latter. Make the latter a more difficult outcome to achieve and you cannot afford the former (unless you begin to ration it and that does sort of defeat the purpose, no? Who distributes scant resource the most efficiently, the private sector or government? Who create wealth more efficiently, the private sector or government?).




PS - Based on the economic freedom rankings, the US still comes in at #12. How many countries are there? 195? I'd rather live here than, say Mauritius.

 

[oggbashan]

Somehow being in the top ten of economic freedom and being saddled with Universal Health Care does not correlate to economic excellence.


PS - Based on the economic freedom rankings, the US still comes in at #12. How many countries are there? 195? I'd rather live here than, say Mauritius.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room - The US spends far, far more on health care per head of population than any of the countries on the list. If you had universal health care, and not every country has that by taxation, you should be paying far less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

$8,616 in the US compared with $3,845 for the UK. And that is per head of population.

 

[icanhelp1]

What you don't understand is that the federal government has failed to manage the VA, they're presently on a path to destroy social security, Medicare is fraught with fraud and yet big government is incapable of fixing these problems. The feds are full of half measures that end up costing the taxpayer even more. The federal government has acted recklessly since the creation of SSA and until they show a semblance of sound management don't touch my health care provider. Once the feds own UHC they own you! Let the states handle it!

 

[oggbashan]

As I have said before, no US politician has any idea how to do it properly despite most of the rest of the world doing it far cheaper.

They are in pawn to the health lobby.

 

[Tim2run]

They owe everything to a lot of lobbies, but this has more to do with our system which was meant to be disbursed and not have power centrally vested in King and Parliament. Leaving States as the ultimate deciders of most law (and benefit) gives us an experimental backdrop which provides example of that which works and that which doesn't.

 

[CornusKousa]

The health insurance lobby is fucking you (OK not you because you have VA) but everyone else over and you don't think they deserve to be removed?

It's not the insurance lobby...it's the politicians, almost exclusively Democrat that are doing the fucking.

The insurance lobby is just cheering them on, they don't have the power to put a gun to my head.....the Democrats do.

PS. There won't be another American Revolution despite the second amendment. You are too happy to be exploited far more than the British ever did to the thirteen colonies.

2A doesn't have anything to do with revolution.

That's because we stopped it hundreds of years ago, look at you poor fuckers now, barely even a sovereign nation and almost weren't....exploited far more than any Americans are.

And mostly Democrats and progressive states are the ones getting exploited the most....California and NY? The worst, might as well be the UK without any of the benefits.

The rest of us? Not so much because they don't have the authority. A bunch of "progressives" haven't been elected to office and written that power for themselves like in CA/NY yet.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room - The US spends far, far more on health care per head of population than any of the countries on the list. If you had universal health care, and not every country has that by taxation, you should be paying far less.


$8,616 in the US compared with $3,845 for the UK. And that is per head of population.

Should be....but they can't actually do that, it would cost significantly more....unless you either absolutely or effectively for the 99% (like you guys) nationalize/socialize the HC market.

 

[oggbashan]

Other countries can provide universal health care at half the US's cost, and many without using taxes.

ALL your politicians are failures.

 

[Tim2run]

Other countries can provide universal health care at half the US's cost, and many without using taxes.

ALL your politicians are failures.

I'm leaning towards the point made in post #10.
We are allowing people to select a metric chosen arbitrarily and then the demand is that it be the gold standard and I still submit that your twice the price claim does not take into account the types of medical treatments not available in UHC countries because it is deemed unessential (so people must turn to the private sector, but for some strange reason, you never reckon that into your cost of health care; Why is that?) whereas here not are we only allowed to engage in the unessential but we are also saddled with a legal profession that needs to be on a shorter leash. You see, it is a very complex set of circumstances which renders the black and white a lighter shade of gray (so to speak).

 

[oggbashan]

MY figures for the UK INCLUDE ALL private health care costs including any who travel to the US to get specialist care.

It is still far less than half the cost per head in the US.

 

[icanhelp1]

As I have said before, no US politician has any idea how to do it properly despite most of the rest of the world doing it far cheaper.

They are in pawn to the health lobby.

There in lies the problem, it’s not that we don’t have smart people in politics it’s that they make decisions to enhance their longevity on the job first and their constituents come in second.

There is something like 180 billion dollars to help small businesses and yet Nancy the dragon queen is more concerned about legalizing pot and criminalizing ownership of big cats. They are already drunk with power. We need to shrink big government not make it bigger.

A republic of 50 states is not the same as a unitary style democracy which is where all UHC exist. States have basically the same latitude to govern as the feds, a health care system designed for their individual needs is just more efficient and if it fails for that state it doesn’t affect the rest of the country, not to say that the feds can’t play a role in catching what falls through the cracks.

 

[CornusKousa]

Other countries can provide universal health care at half the US's cost, and many without using taxes.

ALL your politicians are failures.

They don't use taxes? Well where in the fuck do they get all the money from then??


No, they aren't, the USA was structured and founded specifically to limit it's ability to be a fucking nanny state at the federal level and heavily restrict it's ability to change that.

YOU and other leftist seem to think the USA was created to be the benevolent god state that provides all the luxury and comfort of the 1st world to anyone and everyone who shows up with their hands out.

I have no idea where you guys get this idea but ya'll need to put the PCP laced crack cocaine down for a second........and understand everything about the USA is designed to prevent you guys from doing what you're trying to do. which is force a one size fits all 50 states HC system that the majority of states want nothing to do with.

 

[Tim2run]

MY figures for the UK INCLUDE ALL private health care costs including any who travel to the US to get specialist care.

It is still far less than half the cost per head in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Is it due, at all, to the fact that you are economically weaker and thus unable to match our spending? Again, a lot of our cost is discretionary because we have the money and we lavish it upon ourselves.

US #5
UK #21



Apples to Orangutans

 

[CornusKousa]

A republic of 50 states is not the same as a unitary style democracy

They really do not understand that.

SO many people, even a lot of Rerpublicans/conservatives seem to think the USA is some unitary state run by simple majority democracy.

And I don't understand why.

 

[Tim2run]

They really do not understand that.

SO many people, even a lot of Rerpublicans/conservatives seem to think the USA is some unitary state run by simple majority democracy.

And I don't understand why.

They've been educated from government schools and were incurious enough to never stray from that education, generally too busy pursuing a living to broaden their horizons.

 

[CornusKousa]

They've been educated from government schools and were incurious enough to never stray from that education, generally too busy pursuing a living to broaden their horizons.

I suppose you're probably pretty close to the mark there.

Oh well...

 

[Tim2run]

I get a little wood on the ball every once in a while.