Story Series Rejected after 5 years

[gunhilltrain]

But this wasn't about sex with children.

Five years.

Five years they were posted.

Five years worth of readership that clearly had no issues with them. Five years. And then one single hall monitor decides to get their feathers ruffled?

Laurel passed it, no? Why does that not matter?

I think I said I mostly agree with you. I' m not sure if the OP stumbled into this problem inadvertently or if he was deliberately pushing the boundaries five years ago. I did have to slightly rewrite a story on another site, before it was could be published, because I had gone against an unspoken rule of the moderators.

That reference I made to Nazi-themed porn made in Israel: there could be a dark comedy about an Israeli producer who makes such films. Of course, everyone in the production is actually Jewish.

I would take a crack at it, except (beyond my ignorance of both the porn industry and Israel) some people might take offense to it. I could have the defense that it's based on something true, and it was not intended to be anti-Semitic. I still might get into trouble.

 

[jaF0]

That reference I made to Nazi-themed porn made in Israel: there could be a dark comedy about an Israeli producer who makes such films. Of course, everyone in the production is actually Jewish.

You mean, The Producers?


Also read up on Hogan's Heroes.

 

[Voboy]

I think I said I mostly agree with you. I' m not sure if the OP stumbled into this problem inadvertently or if he was deliberately pushing the boundaries five years ago.

Honestly? From what I gather, he did neither. I think he just wrote a story, which from the sound of things includes an offscreen murder, which someone came here and started a thread about.

A few days later? Whoosh. It's gone. Gee. Wonder why.

I feel badly for the OP. There are a lot of good ways to handle this kind of thing, and unfortunately none of them happened.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Honestly? From what I gather, he did neither. I think he just wrote a story, which from the sound of things includes an offscreen murder, which someone came here and started a thread about.

A few days later? Whoosh. It's gone. Gee. Wonder why.

I feel badly for the OP. There are a lot of good ways to handle this kind of thing, and unfortunately none of them happened.

Just based on the description, it seems likely he can get it reinstated. If that happens, I wonder if it it's like a new story all over again? Or do the old votes and comments come back? I thought at first, surely they just delete it and it's all gone, but then I thought they probably keep backups of stuff for legal and IT reasons. That doesn't mean they'd go to the trouble of restoring it from that, though. Has anyone had this happen?

 

[Voboy]

Just based on the description, it seems likely he can get it reinstated. If that happens, I wonder if it it's like a new story all over again? Or do the old votes and comments come back? I thought at first, surely they just delete it and it's all gone, but then I thought they probably keep backups of stuff for legal and IT reasons. That doesn't mean they'd go to the trouble of restoring it from that, though. Has anyone had this happen?

I have. Everything comes back except the parts you had to unfairly edit out.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Under 18 rule - I see no valid reason to even mention people under 18 except in casual passing.

This topic - I see no reason for violence or death here at all, except in casual passing. This isn't Litdeath or Litviolence. This is Literotica and there is nothing even remotely erotic about death or violence.

T'were it my site, the line in the sand would be a trench ten feet wide.

I wrote a NonCon story in which the victim kills the person who assaulted her. With malice aforethought. It wasn't mentioned in passing because it's the climax of the whole story, and integral to the truth of the character. The death wasn't eroticized, but it was described in detail.

I guess I'm just saying I'm glad Laurel's boundary is narrower than yours would be.

Honestly? From what I gather, he did neither. I think he just wrote a story, which from the sound of things includes an offscreen murder, which someone came here and started a thread about.

A few days later? Whoosh. It's gone. Gee. Wonder why.

I feel badly for the OP. There are a lot of good ways to handle this kind of thing, and unfortunately none of them happened.

Iirc, it disappeared the same day as the thread mentioning it started. Which has now been resurrected, I see.

 

[Voboy]

I wrote a NonCon story in which the victim kills the person who assaulted her. With malice aforethought. It wasn't mentioned in passing because it's the climax of the whole story, and integral to the truth of the character. The death wasn't eroticized, but it was described in detail.

I guess I'm just saying I'm glad Laurel's boundary is narrower than yours would be.

And how!

I've had death and violence in my stories at times, too. One story centers around a beheading. Any realistic story set in Afghanistan, say, or in a police setting, is going to feature gore. Stories in medical settings. Stories with car crashes. Realistic medieval-set stories need to be filthy and nasty. It's not everyone's cup of tea, which is why nobody's forcing them to read it.

I kill off massive swathes of people in my SF stories. The sex is still hot.

 

[gunhilltrain]

You mean, The Producers

Also read up on Hogan's Heroes.

From what little research I've done on-line, it was popular in the past but has faded away since then. Apparently the peak was the 1960s.

Some of the publications of this genre are available in the National Library of Israel, by appointment only. Some of the films were shown at the Film Forum in New York in 2008. There was a 2007 documentary about it called, Stalags: Holocaust and Pornography in Israel.

 

[roseyfingers]

I am going to stop worrying about my story being deleted although I am saddened that the foundation stories of most of my stories has been deleted for supposedly glorifying violence when one of the main themes was against violence. The story deleted, all 10 chapters of it, were well regarded by some. There were plenty of other ideas there to be offended by but not not that I promoted or erotocized violence. Would one say that "All is Quiet on the Western Front" glorifies violence because violence is portrayed in it? I will think about whether there is another way to make my point but I don't now see how.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I am going to stop worrying about my story being deleted although I am saddened that the foundation stories of most of my stories has been deleted for supposedly glorifying violence when one of the main themes was against violence. The story deleted, all 10 chapters of it, were well regarded by some. There were plenty of other ideas there to be offended by but not not that I promoted or erotocized violence. Would one say that "All is Quiet on the Western Front" glorifies violence because violence is portrayed in it? I will think about whether there is another way to make my point but I don't now see how.

I think you should strongly consider resubmitting it with an explanation of why it does meet Lit's guidelines and explaining the anti-violence theme. It seems like the take-down of stories is close to automatic after a complaint is received. We know of instances where the stories have been reinstated. That's an awful lot of work to just give up on. If you prefer to let it go, there's nothing wrong with that either, but I hope it would be because that's what you want to do and not because you feel you have no choice.

 

[Voboy]

I think you should strongly consider resubmitting it with an explanation of why it does meet Lit's guidelines and explaining the anti-violence theme. It seems like the take-down of stories is close to automatic after a complaint is received. We know of instances where the stories have been reinstated. That's an awful lot of work to just give up on. If you prefer to let it go, there's nothing wrong with that either, but I hope it would be because that's what you want to do and not because you feel you have no choice.

This.

Illegitimi non carborundum!

 

[SimonDoom]

I echo those who recommend submitting an argument to Laurel. I've done that before regarding a story and succeeded.

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

I had a non con stry rejected. I put several quotes from the story in the comment field and told her the story was approved under an alt I had her delete and she approved it.

To quote the Beastie Boys Fight for your Right.

 

[HHHawkeye]

Man, I feel really bad that this happened. When I made that thread talking about the story, I wasn't even trying to report it. I was trying to work out what the exact content rules were by citing an example of an acceptable story that got closer to the forbidden subject than any other I had seen on the site. Then next thing I know, it's been removed not even 24 hours later, and I feel like a snitch because I know that either a mod or a reporter saw my thread. I hope you can get the story back up, roseyfingers.

 

[jaF0]

Given that very few Litsers even know about the forums at all, it seems really weird that the author of the story would come to the same board as the person asking about it.

There's clearly more here than meets the eye.

 

[SimonDoom]

Man, I feel really bad that this happened. When I made that thread talking about the story, I wasn't even trying to report it. I was trying to work out what the exact content rules were by citing an example of an acceptable story that got closer to the forbidden subject than any other I had seen on the site. Then next thing I know, it's been removed not even 24 hours later, and I feel like a snitch because I know that either a mod or a reporter saw my thread. I hope you can get the story back up, roseyfingers.

Don't feel bad. How would you know? It's on the Site, not on you.

 

[roseyfingers]

Man, I feel really bad that this happened. When I made that thread talking about the story, I wasn't even trying to report it. I was trying to work out what the exact content rules were by citing an example of an acceptable story that got closer to the forbidden subject than any other I had seen on the site. Then next thing I know, it's been removed not even 24 hours later, and I feel like a snitch because I know that either a mod or a reporter saw my thread. I hope you can get the story back up, roseyfingers.

thanks. I think when I find time in the next few weeks I will try to cut the words that come closest to the line, or perhaps cross, and see if the famous Laurel lets it go. The problem is that one of the main themes of the story relates to oppression and reform in a Stalinist dictatorship. I don't know how to make things go from terrible to tolerable without describing the bad to some extent. No bad guys or problems, no drama. Perhaps I should just pull all my stories and find another site but I'm too lazy to do that. Also, it's not like my stories don't also contain plenty of sex and even romance.

 

[roseyfingers]

To complete the tale of the series of stories (Sex Slave Lottery) removed after 5 years, all but one has been edited and resubmitted and put back on Literotica. One was edited and resubmitted six weeks ago but has not been published or rejected. Apparently, it is in some sort of purgatory. Having learned my lesson, I will certainly not submit a story that comes close to violating the rules in the future.

 

[SimonDoom]

To complete the tale of the series of stories (Sex Slave Lottery) removed after 5 years, all but one has been edited and resubmitted and put back on Literotica. One was edited and resubmitted six weeks ago but has not been published or rejected. Apparently, it is in some sort of purgatory. Having learned my lesson, I will certainly not submit a story that comes close to violating the rules in the future.

Sorry to hear that. I hope this gets cleared up favorably for you soon. Best of luck. The rules here can be hard to navigate for some kinds of stories.

 

[ElectricBlue]

To complete the tale of the series of stories (Sex Slave Lottery) removed after 5 years, all but one has been edited and resubmitted and put back on Literotica. One was edited and resubmitted six weeks ago but has not been published or rejected. Apparently, it is in some sort of purgatory. Having learned my lesson, I will certainly not submit a story that comes close to violating the rules in the future.

See, the process does work. Try resubmitting the lost one again, it might have fallen through a crack. There has been a big contest in that time as well as an anthology collection, and that may have distracted Laurel. The story might just have got lost.

 

[roseyfingers]

I am reluctant to submit Prequel a third time but maybe. Anyway, thanks.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I am reluctant to submit Prequel a third time but maybe. Anyway, thanks.

I'd try. Things do get lost, and the recent content had a huge number of entries, so Laurel could easily have missed something.

All you need to do is go into the story submission, save it as a Draft (with no changes made) and go through the Submit sequence again. Half a dozen key strokes, it's not something difficult to do. It will then get another place in the queue.

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

A couple of observations. First, I don’t believe Laurel or some bot is reevaluating stories published years ago. As has been pointed out, Laurel is way too busy.

My first story had to be edited because of a scene with a non POV character not getting pleasure from the sex act. Since the character was a newly enslaved embezzler serving a term of penal servitude I was surprised but edited it. Silly me thinking non consent meant it. But Laurel's site, her rules.

I have gotten some criticism about my characters seeming to enjoy the sex too much. There's story and universe related reasons but part of it is to avoid a story being kicked back.

I am researching how far I can go, both in one characters development and a new story, regarding non consent.Judging from some recent non con stories that have been passed by Laurel I don't think that the bar has been raised at all. Not by a long shot.

Finally, I really think we need a cage match thread for some of y'all to go at each other in.

 

[TrulyFictitious]

ORIGINAL POST DELETED BY AUTHOR -- I said it was an ANALOGY -- I didn't say that it was a Literotica rule that I was quoting

From OED Online

ANALOGY
noun

a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"

a correspondence or partial similarity.
"the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"

a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
"works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

I am sorry that my analogy created a firestorm.

 

[Emirus]

as an analogy let's say that it's no longer permissible to smoke in Literotica stories.

But, many years ago there was no rule against cigarettes, it was a useful way to break the action and let characters reflect or plan. Nobody was getting sexually aroused by the presence of cigarettes. But darn it, cigarettes are (now) against the rules and I am notified on my pages that twenty stories were pulled because of complaints about cigarette smoking in my writing.

Smoking is not allowed in Literotica stories? Wow! I didn’t know that although, as a life long non smoker who never ever felt the need to try it at all, perhaps I should have realised. But why would someone report a story because of it or why would Laurel reject a story on those grounds? If you feel it didn’t add anything to the story, or detracted from the enjoyment, then comment to the writer. Other than that what’s the problem?

I find it offensive to my intelligence when, in a film or on tv, the director feels it necessary to have the characters smoking to add “atmosphere” and indicate to the viewer the story is set in the past. Particularly when you see non smoking actors pretending to smoke it makes it laughable. At least in literature you don’t have that problem.