Nonconsent getting too real

[msblackstone]

That's exactly what my 7th chapter of my non-con story, "Forever Hers", did unfortunately. The critique sent back with it was as follows:

"While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused."

So, I'm seeking some advice. The whole point of my series was to write a non-con that featured absolutely no magical cocks of mind-says-no-body-says-yes bullshit and star two anti-heroes who ultimately learn to be better people in the end. It concerns me that the verbage used in the above reccomendation hints at the tropes I absolutely despise being a prerequisite. However, I'm not above rewriting my stuff.

I just frankly don't know where to start. Chapter 4 features nonconsentual sex between two women and it got the go-ahead, so that could ultimately mean the issue isn't with the sex but with the violence alone. There is no death, maiming, or extreme torture. He gives her a nosebleed at some point and, honestly, removing that single sentence might be all that's necessary in order to recieve the green light. Im going to try that and see if it gets approved. But if that was the only issue, why bring up her not enjoying it at all in the reccomendation?

I just have a hard time believing that that's the (only) case, you know? Seriously? Blood in a non-con is a no-go? The blood from the countless number of stories on this site about deflowering of virgins would be enough to fill a swimming pool, but a bleeding nose is too much? I'm intimidated about getting an editor as this is the 7th chapter. Not a standalone. Do volunteer editors read everything up to where they are editing in order to understand the context?

I'm not griping (too much). Rules are rules. It's just as I said. I don't know where to start. I am worried that too many changes will compromise the integrity of the story. It's about bad people becoming better. They need to do bad things first in order to have something to change about themselves, yea?

 

[Bramblethorn]

So, I'm seeking some advice. The whole point of my series was to write a non-con that featured absolutely no magical cocks of mind-says-no-body-says-yes bullshit and star two anti-heroes who ultimately learn to be better people in the end. It concerns me that the verbage used in the above reccomendation hints at the tropes I absolutely despise being a prerequisite.

Yeah, I hear that. Back when Literotica was set up, there was a fair bit of outright snuff and torture porn floating around on Usenet, and I think that particular rule was meant to prevent that kind of content. (Early Lit had an "Extreme" section that would've been the home for those stories, but it was removed pretty quickly.) Good intentions, but it does risk perpetuating myths about rape.

I just frankly don't know where to start. Chapter 4 features nonconsentual sex between two women and it got the go-ahead, so that could ultimately mean the issue isn't with the sex but with the violence alone. There is no death, maiming, or extreme torture. He gives her a nosebleed at some point and, honestly, removing that single sentence might be all that's necessary in order to recieve the green light. Im going to try that and see if it gets approved. But if that was the only issue, why bring up her not enjoying it at all in the reccomendation?

I just have a hard time believing that that's the (only) case, you know? Seriously? Blood in a non-con is a no-go? The blood from the countless number of stories on this site about deflowering of virgins would be enough to fill a swimming pool, but a bleeding nose is too much?

Could be. Medically speaking blood is blood, but context can make a difference to how it's received - injuring somebody for the sake of injury, vs. blood that's seen as an inevitable side-effect of a woman's first time. (Speaking of myths...)

Removing the blood might get it through. It's also possible that it might work better if submitted in a single piece with the redemption that you have planned for later in the story, though depending on how far down the road that is, this might result in a really big chapter.

Before you go to a lot of effort on edits that might or might not make the difference, I would suggest PMing (not emailing) Laurel, the story moderator, and asking for guidance. It's been a while, but she was quite helpful back when I had an "is this allowed?" type of question.

I'm intimidated about getting an editor as this is the 7th chapter. Not a standalone. Do volunteer editors read everything up to where they are editing in order to understand the context?

That's entirely between you and the VE. When I edit stuff, I prefer to have read the previous chapters, but it depends on what kind of editing you want and how much the previous chapters might change reading of the current one.

 

[JJA122]

That sucks. Hopefully you can tweak some meaningless thing, or put a note at the top of the story or to the admin and get the story through.

Laurel is this btw.

 

[SteelPoint]

That's exactly what my 7th chapter of my non-con story, "Forever Hers", did unfortunately. The critique sent back with it was as follows:

"While we do accept ................................................, we don't accept ...........................................................................We generally do not accept ............................................................................................................................................................................................................"

Rules are rules.

Right... and that's all they are, it might be pointed out. They're the personal preferences of the site owners.

What they aren't is some kind of Holy Writ, still less anything legal, despite the valiant efforts of various self-appointed and self-important types on the fora who would have you believe so.

Remember that Literotica is hardly the last word in erotic writing... very, very far from it....

 

[msblackstone]

Yeah, I hear that. Back when Literotica was set up, there was a fair bit of outright snuff and torture porn floating around on Usenet, and I think that particular rule was meant to prevent that kind of content. (Early Lit had an "Extreme" section that would've been the home for those stories, but it was removed pretty quickly.) Good intentions, but it does risk perpetuating myths about rape.



Could be. Medically speaking blood is blood, but context can make a difference to how it's received - injuring somebody for the sake of injury, vs. blood that's seen as an inevitable side-effect of a woman's first time. (Speaking of myths...)

Removing the blood might get it through. It's also possible that it might work better if submitted in a single piece with the redemption that you have planned for later in the story, though depending on how far down the road that is, this might result in a really big chapter.

Before you go to a lot of effort on edits that might or might not make the difference, I would suggest PMing (not emailing) Laurel, the story moderator, and asking for guidance. It's been a while, but she was quite helpful back when I had an "is this allowed?" type of question.



That's entirely between you and the VE. When I edit stuff, I prefer to have read the previous chapters, but it depends on what kind of editing you want and how much the previous chapters might change reading of the current one.

Wow, this entire post was an extremely helpful, illuminating post! Although the perpetuation of myths about rape definitely persist if one thinks a woman can be persuaded to like it if the grind is right, I see now why what was done was done. (Sigh) this is why we can't have nice things.

Also thanks for calling out the supposed inevitibility of blood during one's first time. I had my finger raised and everything lol.

I personally cannot stand super long installments unless I know the author's work to be good already. Seeing as how I'm new, I could see someone clicking on my story, seeing that It's 28 pages (or however long) and clicking right back off of it. I've done that before myself after being burned one too many times by huge stories under nonconsent justifying their existence there with a single-sentence flashback to the event. I prefer to upload one short, engaging chapter at a time to keep the right audience coming back and wanting more. I see now that this method may have bitten me in the ass as the person looking over my stuff might assume I just intend to keep poor Janeli tied up and miserable forever.

I shot Laurel a message, so fingers crossed! This is the first I've heard of a moderator preferring to be messaged directly rather than through an obtuse request form system. Pfff, I'm surprised that wasn't a feature also nipped in the bud pretty early.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[msblackstone]

That sucks. Hopefully you can tweak some meaningless thing, or put a note at the top of the story or to the admin and get the story through.

Laurel is this btw.

Thanks for the well wishes and the link!