More Great News on the Pandemic!

[Conager]

Death rates for those hospitalized are way down across all demographics. Apparently, the virus is becoming much less lethal, has run out of the most vulnerable, or treatment protocols are much improved.

Per NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

Let's all celebrate this great news and avoid politicizing this informative thread, mkay?

 

[bellisarius]

Death rates for those hospitalized are way down across all demographics. Apparently, the virus is becoming much less lethal, has run out of the most vulnerable, or treatment protocols are much improved.

Per NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

Let's all celebrate this great news and avoid politicizing this informative thread, mkay?

Most likely all three.

 

[doowdniw]

So new infection and hospitalization rates should be going down?

 

[Conager]

No. The number of DEATHS are going down despite "infection rates" which are a non issue going up. Hospitalizations should go up in tandem with the otherwise unimportant number of infections.

The point, that you missed, is that for those hospitalized, the rate of death is less than a third of what it was.

Less people dying while more people are building immunity individually which contributes to collective immunity is an excellent thing.

Another likely possibility that I did not consider is we are doing a much better job of keeping the virus away from those most vulnerable which should be the only point of any mitigation strategy attempted.

 

[phrodeau]

So we just need more hospitals, and can skip social distancing, wearing masks and washing hands. Herd immunity, here we come.

 

[Conager]

Herd immunity whether from natural causes or vaccines, is the only that a virus is ever defeated.

Why would we need more hospitals when the ones we have were more than adequate for the first wave when the virus had free-range with very little natural immunity in the population?

Not only are deaths down for those few ill enough to require hospitalization, average length of stay is also down meaning quicker bed turnover and higher ICU availability. The primary reason that hospital ICU utilization rates are relatively high is because the ill-advised lockdowns and bans on so-called elective surgeries has resulted in emergency care that would have been handled more efficiently months ago.

Thanks for participating in this celebration of lower death rates!

 

[phrodeau]

Herd immunity whether from natural causes or vaccines, is the only that a virus is ever defeated.

Why would we need more hospitals when the ones we have were more than adequate for the first wave when the virus had free-range with very little natural immunity in the population?

Not only are deaths down for those few ill enough to require hospitalization, average length of stay is also down meaning quicker bed turnover and higher ICU availability. The primary reason that hospital ICU utilization rates are relatively high is because the ill-advised lockdowns and bans on so-called elective surgeries has resulted in emergency care that would have been handled more efficiently months ago.

Thanks for participating in this celebration of lower death rates!

Because herd immunity means hundreds of millions Americans infected, instead of millions.

 

[Conager]

Even more good news:

Contrary to baseless speculation about this particular airborne respiratory virus not triggering a lasting immunological response in those that beat it, a study of six thousand people who have recovered from Covid19 shows strong immune system response as much as seven months later.

https://www.biotechniques.com/covid-19/long-term-covid-19-immunity-a-reality-say-researchers/

This is great news!

 

[PaxNurgle]

This is all great news. The virus affects different people differently. There are probably a ton of variables that affect how severe the case is. Some say it is blood type, or past recoveries from similar resperatory non-flu viruses, or even the amount that you were initially exposed to- for example you are more likely to get really sick if someone directly coughs on you, versus being five feet (or less) away from a pre-symptomatic positive carrier.

Most of the people I knew that had it, was like the flu. With some of them it was more mild, more like a cold, while only one person I know was hospitalized with it.

The reasons for the good news- more and more people are wearing masks, which is cutting down on the transmission and possibly the severity if illness when transmitted. FOR THE RECORD: I HATE wearing a frickin' mask, but I do it anyway- for the greater good of the order (and because I don't want to unwittingly be responsible for transmitting it) Also, there is better treatment available for it now. And, the virus is mainly spreading now among younger, healthier people returning to school, whereas the older population have either already been exposed, or they are still taking severe precautions.

All these things are helping.

As far as the death rate, in Idaho, the per capita case numbers are far higher than in Oregon, while in Oregon, the death rate per case is much higher than Idaho- I don't know what to make of that- lower, less dense population, maybe.

 

[doowdniw]

Thought this might be about the 100,000 under reported cases. Oh well.

 

[Lazaran]

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Unfortunately, only 27% of Americans say they're willing to be vaccinated even if the FDA approves it.

Hmmmmm.........

I wonder why.

 

[Conager]

Thought this might be about the 100,000 over reported cases. Oh well.

I don't see any point in getting into the politicized accounting. Let's just celebrate the wins we have, mmkay?

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Unfortunately, only 27% of Americans say they're willing to be vaccinated even if the FDA approves it.

Hmmmmm.........

I wonder why.

While I agree with you that the politicization of the life-saving vaccines by anti-science anti-vaxxers is unconscionable, this is not the thread to discuss that. We won't have to cross that bridge within the next couple of weeks and perhaps they will cease their dangerous fear mongering once it's no longer of political advantage to them. If you'd like to discuss that I would suggest you start such a thread in the politics form

 

[Lazaran]

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Well my state just had a record number of deaths in one day and cases are still spiking so maybe you might want to hold off on the champagne.

 

[Conager]

If you want to celebrate death, you do you.

The point of this thread that you refuse to participate meaningfully in, is that the virus is far less lethal now then it was. Which is a good thing unless you need for the virus to be lethal and scary.

As the mortality rate of the virus drops below that of many common respiratory virus, I would think everyone would be excited about that and I'm puzzled why some people such as yourself are not enthused.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If you want to celebrate death, you do you.

The point of this thread that you refuse to participate meaningfully in, is that the virus is far less lethal now then it was. Which is a good thing unless you need for the virus to be lethal and scary.

As the mortality rate of the virus drops below that of many common respiratory virus, I would think everyone would be excited about that and I'm puzzled why some people such as yourself are not enthused.

I have not seen any scientific evidence that Covid-19 has mutated to a less virulent strain. If you have evidence or a study etc to them post a link.

What I have seen is the growing knowledge of Covid-19 in the scientific and medical community. The knowledge in how to treat it, and how the general public can help slow down and even prevent the spread.

Doctors have learned there are several different immune responses triggered in an individual when infected with Covid-19, and these responses are not all equal or even common among the infected.

This information now offers the medical community more expertise now in early identification of which type of therapeutics to offer each patient infected with Covid-19 tailored to type of response their immune system is showing.

I suspect it is the above that is helping to lower the overall CFR, as well as most "governments" have recognised the need to ensure it cannot find its way in the "nursing homes" where it has the ability to decimate the residents.

It is pretty clear that the initial projections of deaths from the virus and the world tracking have never lined up ( a good thing in my opinion) yet Covid-19 is still a lethal virus. There is fuck all benign about it.

To try and claim anything else is a disservice.

 

[jomar]

Huh, news this morning is saying deaths from covid are on the rise.

 

[Conager]

I can see that the concept of a death rate vs number of deaths is too mathematically challenging for most here. This is why we can't have nice things; half the country is innumerate. "On the rise" at a slower rate than they rose during the first wave is GOOD news except for those that need the death rate to rise.

Soon (assuming they quit including them in the P.I.C. numbers everyone quotes as if it is the C. alone number) seasonal influenza deaths will be "on the rise." Will that get the same breathless intonation?

 

[HisArpy]

I have not seen any scientific evidence that Covid-19 has mutated to a less virulent strain. If you have evidence or a study etc to them post a link.

What I have seen is the growing knowledge of Covid-19 in the scientific and medical community. The knowledge in how to treat it, and how the general public can help slow down and even prevent the spread.

Doctors have learned there are several different immune responses triggered in an individual when infected with Covid-19, and these responses are not all equal or even common among the infected.

This information now offers the medical community more expertise now in early identification of which type of therapeutics to offer each patient infected with Covid-19 tailored to type of response their immune system is showing.

I suspect it is the above that is helping to lower the overall CFR, as well as most "governments" have recognised the need to ensure it cannot find its way in the "nursing homes" where it has the ability to decimate the residents.

It is pretty clear that the initial projections of deaths from the virus and the world tracking have never lined up ( a good thing in my opinion) yet Covid-19 is still a lethal virus. There is fuck all benign about it.

To try and claim anything else is a disservice.

Not only are you innumerate, you're not very literate.

The OP specifically said that part of the reason is probably due to better treatment methods and understanding. Trying to point that out now as a basis for saying that the OP is doing a "disservice" is disingenuous on your part.


if you have problems understanding any of the above words, let your mom know so she can help you push your finger across the screen and sound out the letters.

 

[HisArpy]

This is all great news. The virus affects different people differently. There are probably a ton of variables that affect how severe the case is. Some say it is blood type, or past recoveries from similar resperatory non-flu viruses, or even the amount that you were initially exposed to- for example you are more likely to get really sick if someone directly coughs on you, versus being five feet (or less) away from a pre-symptomatic positive carrier.

Most of the people I knew that had it, was like the flu. With some of them it was more mild, more like a cold, while only one person I know was hospitalized with it.

The reasons for the good news- more and more people are wearing masks, which is cutting down on the transmission and possibly the severity if illness when transmitted. FOR THE RECORD: I HATE wearing a frickin' mask, but I do it anyway- for the greater good of the order (and because I don't want to unwittingly be responsible for transmitting it) Also, there is better treatment available for it now. And, the virus is mainly spreading now among younger, healthier people returning to school, whereas the older population have either already been exposed, or they are still taking severe precautions.

All these things are helping.

As far as the death rate, in Idaho, the per capita case numbers are far higher than in Oregon, while in Oregon, the death rate per case is much higher than Idaho- I don't know what to make of that- lower, less dense population, maybe.

I wonder how you came to the conclusion that the virus attacks "less severely" in people who wear masks. Do you believe that wearing a mask only lets the "nice" virus particles pass through?

 

[Butterscotch1701]

I've had two friends get it so far. The first lost his taste and smell and he said he was out of energy for a few days. The second says it just made her loose her sense of smell. I am still hoping to avoid it myself.

 

[colddiesel]

Yesterday the USA had over 50,000 new infections and its highest number of deaths in 8 weeks.

 

[Conager]

Why do so many people work so hard to try to bury positive news about this pandemic? is there any good news that you would cheerfully welcome about our progress with combating this virus?

"In eight weeks?"

So, after the first wave of the pandemic waned and reached its nadir, the long predicted second wave is waxing from that low?

You don't say?!??

Someone needs to work on the stats. Positive test results are being conflated as "cases" for this, and only this disease. You don't test asymptomatic people for the presence of any other virus and by definition, if you have no symptoms: you do not have a "case" of anything.

The point, once again of this thread is that as the expected second wave of this pandemic hits as people are shut up indoors again with each other, we can expect that of those that become ill enough to require hospitalization, two-thirds of those that would have died in the hospital if things had remained static will survive.

Cherry picked doom and gloom stats notwithstanding.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I wonder how you came to the conclusion that the virus attacks "less severely" in people who wear masks. Do you believe that wearing a mask only lets the "nice" virus particles pass through?

It does two things: One, it does let fewer virus particles through from other people, meaning that if you are exposed through the air, you inhale a smaller dose of the virus. And two, most importantly, it blocks the transmission of virus particles if YOU are the one carrying the virus, and don't know that you are carrying the virus.

Wearing masks block the micro- droplets from your nose and mouth as you exhale; these droplets are what contain the virus. Once the droplets evaporate, the virus becomes airborne and harder for a mask to block; hence masks are more for one-way blocking- that is, stopping disease transmission from exhaling the virus rather than inhaling it.

Remember, The main point of wearing masks is to protect other people from YOU, not the other way around.
Because you could be feeling like a million bucks, but yet you could actually be walking around giving it to other people, and not even be aware of it!

 

[FL30]

Death rates for those hospitalized are way down across all demographics. Apparently, the virus is becoming much less lethal, has run out of the most vulnerable, or treatment protocols are much improved.

Per NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

Let's all celebrate this great news and avoid politicizing this informative thread, mkay?

Really?

Here's the CNN report, dated 1-22-2020

US Coronavirus: Daily case numbers are at levels not seen since the summer, and 14 states recently have set hospitalization records

Daily coronavirus case numbers in the US are at levels not seen since the summer, and more than a dozen states set record highs for Covid-19 hospitalizations in the past week -- yet more evidence, experts say, of a difficult fall and winter ahead.

The country's seven-day average of new daily cases was above 58,300 as of Monday -- a level not seen since the first week of August, and climbing closer to the summer's peak of 67,200 on July 22.

Average daily new cases have soared 70% since September 12, when the country was at a two-month low of about 34,300.

Here's the webpage if you want to read it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...italization-records/ar-BB1acwyp?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Not only are you innumerate, you're not very literate.

The OP specifically said that part of the reason is probably due to better treatment methods and understanding. Trying to point that out now as a basis for saying that the OP is doing a "disservice" is disingenuous on your part.


if you have problems understanding any of the above words, let your mom know so she can help you push your finger across the screen and sound out the letters.

Having a rough day? Week? Month?

*chuckles*