PoliticaL Irony is the Best

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

What happened?

Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it. In Seattle they even let Antifa take over part of their city. And Portland has been under a continuous riiot for months now. To make it all worse Democrats and ONLY Democrats started defunding the police.

Then... the polling started to change. Dramatically.

And now? Now all of a sudden they want the rioting to stop. It was fine all summer but when that polling changed they got scared and changed their tune. But now, they cant stop it... they unleashed the uncontrolled mob and can't make it stop. And America is sick of it. And terrified that Democrats are going to gut their police departments.

But its too late and too insincere.

It is such sweet irony that it is Democrats themselves that lost this election.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

What happened?

Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it. In Seattle they even let Antifa take over part of their city. And Portland has been under a continuous riiot for months now. To make it all worse Democrats and ONLY Democrats started defunding the police.

Then... the polling started to change. Dramatically.

And now? Now all of a sudden they want the rioting to stop. It was fine all summer but when that polling changed they got scared and changed their tune. But now, they cant stop it... they unleashed the uncontrolled mob and can't make it stop. And America is sick of it. And terrified that Democrats are going to gut their police departments.

But its too late and too insincere.

It is such sweet irony that it is Democrats themselves that lost this election.

Really? hmmm well this Electoral Collage polling says otherwise....


https://www.270towin.com/

 

[WillJ8787]

"Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it."

No Dems were ever in favor of rioting...that's the Repub. narrative.

Democrate and Republican Mayors all tried to stop it...we all saw the news footage of police trying to contain the few idiots, who represent no one but themselves.

Fake info/fake news

 

[YDB95]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

Keep right on believing that! Can't wait for November 3 if that's what the other side is expecting...

 

[rae121452]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

What happened?

Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it. In Seattle they even let Antifa take over part of their city. And Portland has been under a continuous riiot for months now. To make it all worse Democrats and ONLY Democrats started defunding the police.

Then... the polling started to change. Dramatically.

And now? Now all of a sudden they want the rioting to stop. It was fine all summer but when that polling changed they got scared and changed their tune. But now, they cant stop it... they unleashed the uncontrolled mob and can't make it stop. And America is sick of it. And terrified that Democrats are going to gut their police departments.

But its too late and too insincere.

It is such sweet irony that it is Democrats themselves that lost this election.

honestly-are you insane?

 

[NG1274]

No Dems were ever in favor of rioting...that's the Repub. narrative.

Democrate and Republican Mayors all tried to stop it...we all saw the news footage of police trying to contain the few idiots, who represent no one but themselves.

Fake info/fake news

I suppose the definition of rioting matters. Are 'peaceful protesters' who also happen to assault and loot rioters in your eyes?

The mayor of Portland certainly hasn't tried to stop it. Don't prosecute the rioters, don't do anything and maybe it will stop, it took the State Police being deputized by the Feds to cause the riots to slow down. Not the mayor. Look at NYC, not a whole lot of stopping going on there either.

As for the few idiots, here's a question: if these violent people are in your crowd of actual peaceful protesters, and they cause damage, both to persons and property, and the crowd does nothing, lets them keep marching with them, aren't the violent people now considered part of the crowd, staining the peaceful intentions of the many out there just trying to get a message across?

 

[WillJ8787]

Your not describing how it actually happens.... really, your guessing because you have no first hand info.

Of the peaceful protests I've been in, they started and ended peacefully. The individuals who caused trouble almost always started it either after the peaceful folks left of they branched off from the peaceful group.

In all the marches I've been at, speakers talked about expressing dissent peacefully.

Just like your not responsible for others actions around you, neither am I, neither are these groups.

In all cases, the police were present and allowed the peaceful protests to go on and they understand the difference between the people in those groups vs. those out to cause trouble.

No police or Governor's/Mayors condoned or allowed violence...they'd did what they could with the man power they had and In a fluid situation. For instance, in some causes looting was happening all over the place by various individuals using smash and grab techniques. The police responded when they could...they were very busy.

If you want the real info. get out and see it for yourself.

 

[NG1274]

Your not describing how it actually happens.... really, your guessing because you have no first hand info.

That's a good point. Even people who were there may not have seen what went on at a specific place at a specific time. So the only answer would be to record everything. Which sounds draconian, like London with their numerous CCTV cameras everywhere. How do we maintain the balance between freedom and being surveilled all the time?

Just like your not responsible for others actions around you, neither am I, neither are these groups.

While I do agree with that, there is a bit of truth with the saying if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. There has been video of one of the shootings, where the crowd just let the guy back in, no problem. (I believe it was shooting a driver, can't remember city.) That the crowd just jets someone like that back in, well, it screams acceptance of that kind of behavior, or at the very least indifference. For many people, that equates with responsibility, which is the problem.

No police or Governor's/Mayors condoned or allowed violence...they'd did what they could with the man power they had and In a fluid situation. For instance, in some causes looting was happening all over the place by various individuals using smash and grab techniques. The police responded when they could...they were very busy.

Going to have to disagree. The Mayors who tell the police they can't use less than lethal equipment (think that was Seattle), who tell the police to stand down and not help defend a Federal building from attack (Portland), who are ok (there's that question of complicity again) with their AG not prosecuting people who destroy property, assault people and in some cases maim people (those lasers used to blind officers), that is certainly allowing violence, if nothing is done to stop the people committing it, if not condoning, wouldn't you agree?


As for getting out and participating, I'll have to pass. An area where the mob will attack people at will, where the laws of self-defense are ignored and those that defend themselves from serious harm are charged, combined with the inability to actually learn everything (you could be with a totally peaceful group, while a block away assaults and looting are happening) makes participating a non-choice for me.

Would you participate in these large gatherings protesting injustice? In Louisville, two officers were shot, fires set, death threats given, etc.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

"Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it."

No Dems were ever in favor of rioting...that's the Repub. narrative.

Democrate and Republican Mayors all tried to stop it...we all saw the news footage of police trying to contain the few idiots, who represent no one but themselves.

Fake info/fake news

If all you listen to is left wing news, dont be shocked when reality bites you in the ass.

“A once in a lifetime opportunity,” is how Democratic Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey described the subsequent rioting. “Yes, America is burning, but that’s how forests grow.”

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., seemed unconcerned about store shelves being vacuumed by marauders nationwide. “Young people, they have a whole new definition for ‘looting,” Waters said. “They say ‘looting’ is predatory lending in, you know, minority neighborhoods, where they’re paying 300 and 400 percent on loans by these payday lenders.” So, the chairwoman of the House Financial Service Committee believes that the real villains are not retail thieves but those who finance black and Hispanic loan applicants.

Two days after looters devoured local stores, Democratic Seattle City Council member Teresa Mosqueda said: “Colleagues, I hope we’re all saying we understand why that destruction happened and we understand why people are upset.”

“But what I don’t want to hear is for our constituents to be told to be civil, not to be reactionary, to be told looting doesn’t solve anything,” said Mosqueda’s socialist colleague Tammy Morales. “It does make me wonder why looting bothers people so much more than knowing that across the country, black people are being killed.”

At least 13 Biden campaign employees donated to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which paid cash bail for protesters and rioters arrested during the recent unpleasantness. Trump 2020’s Tim Murtaugh responded: “The city is burning & Biden staff are funding it.”

“Burn It All Down,” an Essence headline insisted. Yesha Callahan cited George Floyd, other unarmed blacks killed by cops, and the “insurmountable rate” of black COVID-19 fatalities. “Until these things disgust you, we riot, we protest and do whatever it takes to get your attention – including burning it all down.”

In The New York Times – the so-called “Paper of Record” – reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones argued that “destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence.” Does that include this Pulitzer Prize winner’s windows? Her home?

“Please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful,” CNN’s Chris Cuomo demanded. Did Cuomo flunk high school civics? The First Amendment guarantees “the right of the people peaceably to assemble.”(Italics added).

“Riots are, at their core, a choice made by those in power, not people who participate in them,” The Atlantic’s Amanda Mull said via Twitter. “If you build a society that exhausts and abuses people and privilege [sic] capital over human life, I’m not sure which other imaginary ‘civil’ options you expect people to exercise.”

“Burn that s--- down. Burn it all down,” ESPN alumnus and NBA analyst Chris Palmer cheered via Twitter on May 29, above a photo of 189 affordable-housing units that were under construction until Minneapolis rioters incinerated them.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

honestly-are you insane?

No... quite rational. Something that you apparently cannot recognize.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No... quite rational. Something that you apparently cannot recognise ( recognize) .

The reality of mental health is that those stricken with cognitive mental problems are usually the last to understand they have a problem.

Here, this should help make you feel better....

https://www.270towin.com/

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53657174

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-leads-but-plurality-thinks-trump-will-win-election-poll

 

[WillJ8787]

That's a good point. Even people who were there may not have seen what went on at a specific place at a specific time. So the only answer would be to record everything. Which sounds draconian, like London with their numerous CCTV cameras everywhere. How do we maintain the balance between freedom and being surveilled all the time?




While I do agree with that, there is a bit of truth with the saying if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. There has been video of one of the shootings, where the crowd just let the guy back in, no problem. (I believe it was shooting a driver, can't remember city.) That the crowd just jets someone like that back in, well, it screams acceptance of that kind of behavior, or at the very least indifference. For many people, that equates with responsibility, which is the problem.



Going to have to disagree. The Mayors who tell the police they can't use less than lethal equipment (think that was Seattle), who tell the police to stand down and not help defend a Federal building from attack (Portland), who are ok (there's that question of complicity again) with their AG not prosecuting people who destroy property, assault people and in some cases maim people (those lasers used to blind officers), that is certainly allowing violence, if nothing is done to stop the people committing it, if not condoning, wouldn't you agree?


As for getting out and participating, I'll have to pass. An area where the mob will attack people at will, where the laws of self-defense are ignored and those that defend themselves from serious harm are charged, combined with the inability to actually learn everything (you could be with a totally peaceful group, while a block away assaults and looting are happening) makes participating a non-choice for me.

Would you participate in these large gatherings protesting injustice? In Louisville, two officers were shot, fires set, death threats given, etc.

Thanks...I appreciate your response and your thinking. I understand better where your coming from. I disagree with you a bit as well and that is ok.

I wish some other folks here would communicate like you just did!

 

[schism666]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

What happened?

Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it. In Seattle they even let Antifa take over part of their city. And Portland has been under a continuous riiot for months now. To make it all worse Democrats and ONLY Democrats started defunding the police.

Then... the polling started to change. Dramatically.

And now? Now all of a sudden they want the rioting to stop. It was fine all summer but when that polling changed they got scared and changed their tune. But now, they cant stop it... they unleashed the uncontrolled mob and can't make it stop. And America is sick of it. And terrified that Democrats are going to gut their police departments.

But its too late and too insincere.

It is such sweet irony that it is Democrats themselves that lost this election.

it's dumb that ignorant people blame dems for blm, anitfa, and rioting. those are not dems but disenfranchised losers who most likely don't even vote.

now, we can directly link violence to trump supporters if you wanna go there.

i mean, no one is is setting stores ablaze in the name of joe fucking biden. c'mon.

 

[rae121452]

No... quite rational. Something that you apparently cannot recognize.

as we used to say back in the 60's, "don't bogart that joint."

 

[NG1274]

Thanks...I appreciate your response and your thinking. I understand better where your coming from. I disagree with you a bit as well and that is ok.

I wish some other folks here would communicate like you just did!

Always happy to have a polite conversation, thanks.

 

[Lazaran]

it's dumb that ignorant people blame dems for blm, anitfa, and rioting. those are not dems but disenfranchised losers who most likely don't even vote.

now, we can directly link violence to trump supporters if you wanna go there.

i mean, no one is is setting stores ablaze in the name of joe fucking biden. c'mon.

^
This.........is so fucking obvious.

The protests are about police conduct.

The looting is about opportunistic people.

 

[JackLuis]

A historian explains why the Second Amendment was never meant to cover people like Kyle Rittenhouse

Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse’s lawyer made headlines recently when he claimed that his client’s gun possession fell under the “well regulated militia” clause of the Second Amendment. The claim was novel, at best; the Supreme Court rulings striking down some gun control laws have made a point to not strike down the very idea of gun control. Even for those eager to see both some level of sanity in US gun laws and some measure of justice for the men killed in Kenosha, the proposed defense was enough to raise questions about the lawyer who made them – John Pierce, whose past clients include Rudy Giuliani – and about the competence of Rittenhouse’s representation. Experts in modern case law have already made clear that Mr. Pierce’s claims about a member of the militia having the right to carry any weapon anywhere lack any legal validity.

What is ironic is Kyle was part of the unregulated "militia" if anything.

 

[NG1274]

A historian explains why the Second Amendment was never meant to cover people like Kyle Rittenhouse



What is ironic is Kyle was part of the unregulated "militia" if anything.

That's a big can of worms, deciphering what a 'well regulated militia' meant. Some constitutional scholars state the use of 'a' instead of 'the' in front of it shows that it was not meant to refer to a specific militia, and to assume it meant the fighting force at the time specifically would be a contradiction, as the Constitution gave control of the fighting forces to the Federal government, which would mean the Second Amendment contradicted the Constitution powers, which doesn't make sense. Others are of the opinion that 'well regulated' means well maintained, as in trained and ready, but not part of any organization, which would apply to veterans and trained civilians today, which opens up another can of worms, what is trained exactly? Competent in the use of arms?

I bring all this up to show at this time I don't think anyone can state, with any hope of declaring their way is the correct way, what the interpretation means precisely. Your cite would certainly share your viewpoint, whereas if you take well regulated to mean trained, Kyle was certainly trained, which is the opposite viewpoint.

Big can of worms, like so much else nowadays. I think it will need a Supreme Court decision (or more than one for each aspect in contention) before any consensus is reached, but look at Heller, people are still disagreeing on that one.

What do you think?

 

[FGB]

Back in July and August it looked like Trump was toast. No way could he come back from that kind of deficit. Yada yada yada.....

Now... at worst he's tied and Democrats are having to spend money where they've never had to before (ie on Black voters). Even Gays are polling 45% for Trump!

What happened?

Rioting happened. And at first Democrats were all in favor. Many Democrat mayors refused to stop it and blamed the police for it. In Seattle they even let Antifa take over part of their city. And Portland has been under a continuous riiot for months now. To make it all worse Democrats and ONLY Democrats started defunding the police.

Then... the polling started to change. Dramatically.

And now? Now all of a sudden they want the rioting to stop. It was fine all summer but when that polling changed they got scared and changed their tune. But now, they cant stop it... they unleashed the uncontrolled mob and can't make it stop. And America is sick of it. And terrified that Democrats are going to gut their police departments.

But its too late and too insincere.

It is such sweet irony that it is Democrats themselves that lost this election.

AGAIN.