Ricardo Munoz and Lancaster Pa

[WillJ8787]

Very sad situation with absolutely no winners. Munoz was having some sort of mental issue or breakdown.

After attempting to call in some non-police help from the local government his family ultimately had to call police.

Munoz did charge at police with a knife and they shot him in response. He died soon after.

We are all sitting on a powder keg ready​ to blow at anytime anything happens...

I'm reasonably sure the police couldn't do anything else than they did...it appears to be a justified use of force at this time.

I'm am uncertain if any other agency even exist to handle situations like this.

Protest are fine in my book...I'm never down with arson and looting.

Every incident of police using force, whether justified or not, is going to erupt into serious protests by citizens..( mostly peaceful folks expressing their utter exasperation over the non-justified violence they have experienced first hand).

At the fringe of these protests are small groups of individuals hell bent on arson, destruction and looting.

This seems to be the case in Lancaster PA.

People on the right here have pretty much nothing constructive to say or add to this...they would prefer to fan the flames.

People who feel they belong to and actually receive the benefits of the society they live in are not likely to revolt in protest. This is true everywhere and also in Lancaster.

 

[SpeareChucker]

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People on the right here have pretty much nothing constructive to say or add to this...they would prefer to fan the flames.

...

Sweet! You had your say and then decided to assign a position to everyone else,
a sort of, if you don't agree with me, you are not just wrong, but the enemy,
a preemptory attack designed to educate conservatives that their
opinions will fan your flames and get them flamed...

But nice try, after all this time to pretend to be the reasonable voice of the board.

 

[bellisarius]

The conservatives I know have no intention of initiating anything, they just are planning on dealing with rioters with the use of deadly force. If the police can't, or won't, deal with the situation then you're pretty much on your own, right?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Turns out, he had a history:

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...rial-on-charges-that-he-stabbed-4-people.html

Known threat, known mental issues, out on bail,
once again on the Progressive notion of no-bail,
which, as we have discussed in the past, stems,
in a large part, on the ACLU's passionate protection
of the civil rights of the mentally ill and the idea that
cash bail unfairly targets minorities who are otherwise
"model citizens" with rights just like everyone else.

So, this might be fanning the flames, but it seems to me
that once again, the anti-law and order factions in this country
had their say on this issue and put the public and the police at risk,
and the real victim here was the guy who was shot instead of being held
in a facility where he would be safe and possibly get some help, but it was most
certainly not the racism of the police or conservatives but the good intentions of white
Progressives who are al about racial justice, supporting #BLM and demeaning the police...

 

[Aglaopheme]

Sweet! You had your say and then decided to assign a position to everyone else.

Turns out, he had a history:

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...rial-on-charges-that-he-stabbed-4-people.html

Known threat, known mental issues, out on bail,
once again on the Progressive notion of no-bail,
which, as we have discussed in the past, stems,
in a large part, on the ACLU's passionate protection
of the civil rights of the mentally ill and the idea that
cash bail unfairly targets minorities who are otherwise
"model citizens" with rights just like everyone else.

So, this might be fanning the flames, but it seems to me
that once again, the anti-law and order factions in this country
had their say on this issue and put the public and the police at risk,
and the real victim here was the guy who was shot instead of being held
in a facility where he would be safe and possibly get some help, but it was most
certainly not the racism of the police or conservatives but the good intentions of white
Progressives who are al about racial justice, supporting #BLM and demeaning the police...

Too easy.


Of course it has nothing to do with folks like Reagan.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It's too easy when your every thought is how can I blame Republicans/conservatives.

 

[WillJ8787]

Sweet! You had your say and then decided to assign a position to everyone else,
a sort of, if you don't agree with me, you are not just wrong, but the enemy,
a preemptory attack designed to educate conservatives that their
opinions will fan your flames and get them flamed...

But nice try, after all this time to pretend to be the reasonable voice of the board.

I did...as did you. God I love this country and the freedom I've worked hard to maintain and preserve.

I let my posts stand for itself and lit has a history so you can check anything you want.

One of the most important aspects of all this for me is something I swore to do when I was really young...always tell the truth, no matter what.

Such a shame it's so sorely lacking everywhere today.

 

[WillJ8787]

It's too easy when your every thought is how can I blame Republicans/conservatives.

Shall I cite all the Republicans/Conservatives who have constructive things to say about the current race debate?

Will you call all of them Rino's, not Republicans, Or even Liberals, Socialist, Marxist...you name it...if you don't agree.

This tactic isn't an argument, it's a Deflection. Folks use this when,

1. They are usually wrong

2. They have something to hide or don't want you to see.

My take...don't do that!

 

[Aglaopheme]

It's too easy when your every thought is how can I blame Republicans/conservatives.

I’m sure you don’t see the irony in this at all.

 

[Rightguide]

At the fringe of these protests are small groups of individuals hell bent on arson, destruction and looting.

Behind all of this is the Democrat Party, the media, and the American left. All threatening America as we speak with further violence, looting, and riot, if they dare to re-elect Donald Trump. The have published a plan of attack for taking down the country including a military strategy for regime change used by our military against Isis, and it is headed by retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a former head of Special Operations in Afghanistan. You think I'm bullshitting you? Read about it here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ed5f70-8a5b-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

 

[butters]

Very sad situation with absolutely no winners. Munoz was having some sort of mental issue or breakdown.

After attempting to call in some non-police help from the local government his family ultimately had to call police.

Munoz did charge at police with a knife and they shot him in response. He died soon after.

We are all sitting on a powder keg ready​ to blow at anytime anything happens...

I'm reasonably sure the police couldn't do anything else than they did...it appears to be a justified use of force at this time.

I'm am uncertain if any other agency even exist to handle situations like this.

Protest are fine in my book...I'm never down with arson and looting.

Every incident of police using force, whether justified or not, is going to erupt into serious protests by citizens..( mostly peaceful folks expressing their utter exasperation over the non-justified violence they have experienced first hand).

At the fringe of these protests are small groups of individuals hell bent on arson, destruction and looting.

This seems to be the case in Lancaster PA.

People on the right here have pretty much nothing constructive to say or add to this...they would prefer to fan the flames.

People who feel they belong to and actually receive the benefits of the society they live in are not likely to revolt in protest. This is true everywhere and also in Lancaster.

https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-handle-violence-in-countries-where-officers-dont-carry-guns/

plenty of countries have a police force that doesn't carry guns routinely, even iceland where guns are owned by around one third of the population

Richard Hill, history professor at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, explains that New Zealand police were disarmed for routine work in 1886, following the principle of the British police that: “Constables are placed in authority to protect, not to oppress, the public.” For officers to carry guns would not just be unnecessary, he says, “but also antithetical to the values of civil society.”

Of course, in all but Iceland, citizens in these countries generally don’t have access to guns. This means that police are rarely taken by surprise by a firearm. There are officers trained in how to handle firearms when necessary, and can respond to reports of a citizen with a gun by sending out an armed police officer. But another key difference between the US and elsewhere is training. Paul Hirschfield, an associate professor of sociology at Rutgers University, points out that US police officers are trained for an average of just 19 weeks. Compare that to police in Norway, who have three years of training before they’re fully qualified.

“If you only have 19 weeks of training, you’re going to spend those on the most essential things. Unfortunately, in the United States, it’s about what you need to defend yourself. How you’re going to avoid getting hurt,” says Hirschfield. “If you have three years, you can also learn how to protect people, how to avoid these situations from arising in the first place. It fosters a whole different orientation and culture in law enforcement.”

Police in other countries are generally trained to de-escalate hostile situations and use minimal violence in response to a threat

demand better training for your police so situations are more likely to be diffused or result in non-lethal outcomes for all parties involved. 19 weeks just isn't nearly enough time

 

[WillJ8787]

https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-handle-violence-in-countries-where-officers-dont-carry-guns/

plenty of countries have a police force that doesn't carry guns routinely, even iceland where guns are owned by around one third of the population

demand better training for your police so situations are more likely to be diffused or result in non-lethal outcomes for all parties involved. 19 weeks just isn't nearly enough time

Thank you...I like your information and you make very good points.

 

[WillJ8787]

Behind all of this is the Democrat Party, the media, and the American left. All threatening America as we speak with further violence, looting, and riot, if they dare to re-elect Donald Trump. The have published a plan of attack for taking down the country including a military strategy for regime change used by our military against Isis, and it is headed by retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a former head of Special Operations in Afghanistan. You think I'm bullshitting you? Read about it here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ed5f70-8a5b-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

I thought it's was Frosty behind all​ of this. He is in cahoots with Santa Claus and they have a plan to head to Mexico using Rudolf and the other rain deer and sleigh as the getaway vehicle. They are gonna hide out in a computer server bank so Frosty doesn't overheat.

Sounds nuts doesn't it...you should re-read your post.

 

[Rightguide]

Lancaster protesters held on whopping $1 million bail each after alleged riots

An attempt to bankrupt the communist sympathizing National Lawyers Guild and Harris' bailout fund.

 

[Rightguide]

I thought it's was Frosty behind all​ of this.

^^^
Testifies openly to his intellectual immaturity.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Behind all of this is the Democrat Party, the media, and the American left. All threatening America as we speak with further violence, looting, and riot, if they dare to re-elect Donald Trump. The have published a plan of attack for taking down the country including a military strategy for regime change used by our military against Isis, and it is headed by retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a former head of Special Operations in Afghanistan. You think I'm bullshitting you? Read about it here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ed5f70-8a5b-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

Why is WaPo only "fake news" when they don't agree with your fucked up narrative?

 

[Trump_Virus]

Sweet! You had your say and then decided to assign a position to everyone else,
a sort of, if you don't agree with me, you are not just wrong, but the enemy,
a preemptory attack designed to educate conservatives that their
opinions will fan your flames and get them flamed...

But nice try, after all this time to pretend to be the reasonable voice of the board.

Sort of like you guys with your commie and terrorist shit talk. Hypocrite much?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Police in general in America have shown to be deficient in de-escalating situations involving mentally ill people.

We had that here in Houston last week. Police patting themselves on the back for waiting all of 15 minutes in a situation with a mentally ill guy threatening to kill himself.

Then they shot him 20+ times.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You guys?
That’s the same thing as the OP.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The implicit demand of this thread it that conservatives prove they care
about the unfortunate incident even though “we know” that they don’t,
they just want to blame the people who really do care about this issue.

Unfortunately for those of you who care more than I do,
I wasn’t the one who let the guy out of custody,
that was done by the polity that cares deeply
about this issue and the tragedy of the 1994 crime bill
and defunding the police to fund more social workers.

I would have never let the guy out on a no cash bail
because where I come from, that falls under the rubric of
common sense.

 

[Trump_Virus]

You guys?
That’s the same thing as the OP.

Oh, are republicans the only ones allowed to wield wide brushes?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Well, you got your newest alt on ignore.

 

[butters]

I thought it's was Frosty behind all​ of this. He is in cahoots with Santa Claus and they have a plan to head to Mexico using Rudolf and the other rain deer and sleigh as the getaway vehicle. They are gonna hide out in a computer server bank so Frosty doesn't overheat.

Sounds nuts doesn't it...you should re-read your post.

certainly a more likely scenario

 

[Rightguide]

Police in general in America have shown to be deficient in de-escalating situations involving mentally ill people.

We had that here in Houston last week. Police patting themselves on the back for waiting all of 15 minutes in a situation with a mentally ill guy threatening to kill himself.

Then they shot him 20+ times.

They protected and served up his right to die.

 

[WillJ8787]

The implicit demand of this thread it that conservatives prove they care
about the unfortunate incident even though “we know” that they don’t,
they just want to blame the people who really do care about this issue.

Unfortunately for those of you who care more than I do,
I wasn’t the one who let the guy out of custody,
that was done by the polity that cares deeply
about this issue and the tragedy of the 1994 crime bill
and defunding the police to fund more social workers.

I would have never let the guy out on a no cash bail
because where I come from, that falls under the rubric of
common sense.

Still offering my list if Republicans who actually care...any takers?