More proof the virus panic is bullshit

[SpeareChucker]

Can any US politician of whatever party, recognize truth?

Or can tackle any problem without a political spin?

The Libertarian candidate can.

All she has to offer is less and more of it.

She has my vote.

 

[dicknjane]

From said link





https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...vid-19-whoppers-during-his-dnc-speech-n822713

H1N1 infections are "estimates" not based on actual testing. If we estimate the numbers infected with Covid instead of using actual test results what happens to the numbers?

 

[FescueFan]

Can any US politician of whatever party, recognize truth?

Or can tackle any problem without a political spin?

The Libertarian candidate can.

All she has to offer is less and more of it.

She has my vote.

No, nobody can, you can't separate politicians from political ideology.

Their ideals and values WILL determine/guide their political actions and policies.

 

[surdeep]

Can any US politician of whatever party, recognize truth?

Or can tackle any problem without a political spin?

Only in the nonconsent forum.

 

[dicknjane]

Maybe.



Get back to us when it happens...

Can't compare numbers between UK's government healthcare system and the US system that gives monetary incentives to cases added to the count by reimbursing hospitals for Covid cases at a higher rate than other illnesses where as UK suppressing cases makes them look better at managing Covid. The US is going back and reclassifying old deaths as Covid even though they were never tested. Does UK government have any reason to do that and make their system look more ineffective? US states and hospitals want the extra $$$ offered in the "CARES Act" for Covid treatment.

 

[silver gurl]

Uh huh. Good going to the people who held this reception in Maine https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-outbreak-maine-one-dead-wedding-reception/

 

[Fuzzy1975]

H1N1 infections are "estimates" not based on actual testing. If we estimate the numbers infected with Covid instead of using actual test results what happens to the numbers?

What does"estimating" have to do with trying to control a rampant viral population infection?

Like really, are you that much of an ignorant person that you can't figure out if you don't test for the virus, you have no clue of who is infected?

As Trump said, if we didn't test as much, we would have much lower numbers....No what you would have is a virus infecting your citizens and have no fucking clue about who is spreading it...


If you can't figure out who is infected, then how do you prevent virus cluster from expanding?

If you don't to contract tracing and testing, then how do expect to mitigate the spread?

Countries that have the virus under control will have lower testing numbers per capita, countries that do not have it under control must test more to find and isolate the clusters of infected people.

Think about it for moment, instead of just letting others tell you what you should think....

 

[surdeep]

The Russians should toss that Novachuk shit and get themselves some Covid for killing its opponents.

Works for the Chinese.

 

[SpeareChucker]

What does"estimating" have to do with trying to control a rampant viral population infection?

Like really, are you that much of an ignorant person that you can't figure out if you don't test for the virus, you have no clue of who is infected?

As Trump said, if we didn't test as much, we would have much lower numbers....No what you would have is a virus infecting your citizens and have no fucking clue about who is spreading it...


If you can't figure out who is infected, then how do you prevent virus cluster from expanding?

If you don't to contract tracing and testing, then how do expect to mitigate the spread?

Countries that have the virus under control will have lower testing numbers per capita, countries that do not have it under control must test more to find and isolate the clusters of infected people.

Think about it for moment, instead of just letting others tell you what you should think....

We are more than a country.

By the numbers, we have more places with it under control
than the proclaimed national "out of control."
Some countries don't have it under control.
Some places here don't have it under control.

A lot of the paragons of control are more, or less,
the size of many of our states...

Remember, during H1N1, we actually just stopped testing
so there is a lot of estimating to go around.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Can't compare numbers between UK's government healthcare system and the US system that gives monetary incentives to cases added to the count by reimbursing hospitals for Covid cases at a higher rate than other illnesses where as UK suppressing cases makes them look better at managing Covid. The US is going back and reclassifying old deaths as Covid even though they were never tested. Does UK government have any reason to do that and make their system look more ineffective? US states and hospitals want the extra $$$ offered in the "CARES Act" for Covid treatment.

Well what do you expect in a system where Heath Care is about profit?

However to claim the expansive amount of death from COVID-19 in the US is because hospitals are making up fake deaths, seems to be an argument tossed up to solely minimise the death count.

I'd say the high death numbers have more to do with the rampant obesity and poor healthy life style of the average American, more than just hospitals faking death counts.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Uh huh. Good going to the people who held this reception in Maine https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-outbreak-maine-one-dead-wedding-reception/

That’s horrible. It was a stupid move, but I still feel bad for those folks.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

We are more than a country.

By the numbers, we have more places with it under control
than the proclaimed national "out of control."
Some countries don't have it under control.
Some places here don't have it under control.

A lot of the paragons of control are more, or less,
the size of many of our states...

Remember, during H1N1, we actually just stopped testing
so there is a lot of estimating to go around.

True, but your comments say nothing about how to test, when to test, and when you can stop/reduce testing now do they?

Quit muddying the waters with N1H1, that is not a novel virus, with no treatment, or vaccine. It is not Apples to Apples now is it?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Well what do you expect in a system where Heath Care is about profit?

However to claim the expansive amount of death from COVID-19 in the US is because hospitals are making up fake deaths, seems to be an argument tossed up to solely minimise the death count.

I'd say the high death numbers have more to do with the rampant obesity and poor healthy life style of the average American, more than just hospitals faking death counts.

What other products do you want to purchase where profit is not the motivator?

Obesity might be a fair point, but it gets lost in the partisan, anti-Trump ranting.

 

[silver gurl]

That’s horrible. It was a stupid move, but I still feel bad for those folks.

Maine hasn't been hit hard yet. People get to thinking 'it won't happen to them". I am sure the bride and groom are devastated. I would be.

 

[surdeep]

Covid is only #3 on the Things to Die From list in the USA.

When it gets to #1 , Jared will start pumping the startup.

The Trumps only run the best cons.

 

[surdeep]

Maine hasn't been hit hard yet. People get to thinking 'it won't happen to them". I am sure the bride and groom are devastated. I would be.

Low density cool climate places have zero covid by not being a destination for Others and by actively keeping Others away.

 

[Aglaopheme]

What is under control?

Look at the numbers for current hot spots


COUNTY CASES 100,000 WEEKLY CASES PER CAPITA

Issaquena, Miss. 66 4,974
Lafayette, Fla. 223 2,648
Chattahoochee, Ga. 120 1,100
Lee, Ark. 90 1,016
Maverick, Texas 521 887
Stewart, Ga. 56 846
Clinch, Ga. 52 786
Leflore, Miss. 210 745
Rosebud, Mont. 63 705
Tensas, La. 30 692
Lincoln, Ark. 84 645
Brooks, Texas 45 634
Franklin City, Va. 50 628

But unlike in the early days of the pandemic, it is not so simple to say that big cities have been hit hardest. On a per capita basis, many of the places with the most cases have been small and mid-sized metros in the Southwest with large Native American or Hispanic populations. In Yuma County, Ariz., along the country’s border with Mexico, about one of every 18 residents is known to have had the virus. In McKinley County, N.M., which includes part of the hard-hit Navajo Nation, nearly one of every 300 residents has died from Covid-19.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

 

[Aglaopheme]

Maine hasn't been hit hard yet. People get to thinking 'it won't happen to them". I am sure the bride and groom are devastated. I would be.

Me too, completely.

 

[SpeareChucker]

True, but your comments say nothing about how to test, when to test, and when you can stop/reduce testing now do they?

Quit muddying the waters with N1H1, that is not a novel virus, with no treatment, or vaccine. It is not Apples to Apples now is it?

As to the latter point, it was when it came out
and it was worse, but there was not the
unrelenting consternation about the
executive branch just killing
out of ineptitude.

That is purely politically driven and this being an election
year has exacerbated the all-out assault on common sense.


Now, to the former:

Do you have a magic blue print for testing?
Many places I go to test prior to access
and some/most of them don't.
But it's just temperature.

Now tell me, how does that affect
my ability to protect myself when
the approved method of protection
is hand-washing, masking and
Social distancing? That's from
people like Birx and Fauci, so
I have to infer that the key to
the fight is not testing. Testing
is merely a tool to let people
know when they need to double down,
but honestly, at this point, you
can get the information you need
to protect yourself from the local news
which is reporting on hospitalizations.

Testing has just become a political pawn
in the arsenal of those who want to defeat
Trump and this is their attempt at a serious
charge, which is really a specious charge
at this point because most decisions that
had the worse adverse effects were ones
like sending known Covid patients back to
nursing homes. Now, who did that and who
is really not being held responsible for that
and more importantly, why?

Most testing that I encounter is just
temperature-taking and that seems to
be sufficient and can be done at home.

When can it stop? It can stop now.
If people are not sufficiently informed
to take care of themselves now, they
never will be, so take care of yourself;
everyone has the tools to do that and
resume a more normal, active and
productive life. Economic prosperity
and individual Liberty will prove to be
a much more efficacious remedy than
tallying and calculating the number of tests.

 

[silver gurl]

Low density cool climate places have zero covid by not being a destination for Others and by actively keeping Others away.

False. They listed the zero covid countries this past week.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

As to the latter point, it was when it came out
and it was worse, but there was not the
unrelenting consternation about the
executive branch just killing
out of ineptitude.

I assume you are referring to the original 1918 outbreak? Which is not relevant to the comparison of of the one under Obama. That was the outbreak I referenced to.

Do you have a magic blue print for testing?

I am not involved in health care so I am not qualified to answer that.

Many places I go to test prior to access
and some/most of them don't.
But it's just temperature.

Temperature taking is screening, not testing, that much I know.

Now tell me, how does that affect
my ability to protect myself when
the approved method of protection
is hand-washing, masking and
Social distancing?

Well go out an buy level 4 virus protection gear and ignore the above, it does offer a much higher degree of protection, but it is expensive, and disposable after one use...*shrugs*

Testing
is merely a tool to let people
know when they need to double down,
but honestly, at this point, you
can get the information you need
to protect yourself from the local news
which is reporting on hospitalizations.

The above shows you really have no concept of the point of testing and contact tracing. I am not going to try and educate you on it, if you actually cared about it, from a non political viewpoint you could research it yourself. Then you might understand the reasons from public health containment. However what you written below clearly shows me, that to you, this is 100% a political viewpoint.

As such I'll end my comments here, but feel free to keep regurgitating yours, while the US economy stagnates, your citizens continue to die,and we keep our borders closed to keep out people who think and act just like you...

Testing has just become a political pawn
in the arsenal of those who want to defeat
Trump and this is their attempt at a serious
charge, which is really a specious charge
at this point because most decisions that
had the worse adverse effects were ones
like sending known Covid patients back to
nursing homes. Now, who did that and who
is really not being held responsible for that
and more importantly, why?

Most testing that I encounter is just
temperature-taking and that seems to
be sufficient and can be done at home.

When can it stop? It can stop now.
If people are not sufficiently informed
to take care of themselves now, they
never will be, so take care of yourself;
everyone has the tools to do that and
resume a more normal, active and
productive life. Economic prosperity
and individual Liberty will prove to be
a much more efficacious remedy than
tallying and calculating the number of tests.

 

[butters]

Uh huh. Good going to the people who held this reception in Maine https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-outbreak-maine-one-dead-wedding-reception/

so many people
too many are still holding big celebrations, travelling cross-state to parties and get-togethers, spreading, contracting, spreading

Well what do you expect in a system where Heath Care is about profit?

However to claim the expansive amount of death from COVID-19 in the US is because hospitals are making up fake deaths, seems to be an argument tossed up to solely minimise the death count.

I'd say the high death numbers have more to do with the rampant obesity and poor healthy life style of the average American, more than just hospitals faking death counts.

and there are hospitals where patients were being treated for covid but that wasn't entered as the cause of death, rather the organ failure i.e heart/kidney that was caused by it ... patients who would still have been alive if not for covid.

and the covid deaths that occurred in a non-hospital setting. they are officially listed as covid-deaths.

the homeless, people in their own small apartments or isolated people in their houses where people didn't know they were sick or the sick had no help. the way this disease attacks so many different functions of the body, we'll likely never know the true numbers. the fact that some bodies are being retroactively tested for covid is helpful for statistics, sad for their loved ones.

That’s horrible. It was a stupid move, but I still feel bad for those folks.

i do feel bad for them, but moreso for the people they took infection back to, spreading it to those not selfish or stupid enough to go to the big gathering in the first place. these people didn't choose to take the risk but got infected by those who did.

 

[LLCox]

Even if you have a mild case of the covid the long term effects on your organs is a future disaster.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The bullshit virus that is causing a global pandemic and the need for the leader of the free world to hold an internationally broadcasted emergency to the world that there is a vaccine for said non-existent pandemic is happening?

Do you know how fucking dumb you sound?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The bullshit virus that is causing a global pandemic and the need for the leader of the free world to hold an internationally broadcasted emergency to the world that there is a vaccine for said non-existent pandemic is happening?

Do you know how fucking dumb you sound?

Macron's holding a press conference?