More proof the virus panic is bullshit

[SpeareChucker]

Disagree. In matters like this, the real truth is critical. It can help decide what actions might be more appropriate in the future. It may determine that whole whole mask thing and all of the shutdowns accomplished nothing at all.

Then they should be expressing it as a percentage of population
which is a helluva lot less "scary" than just running seemingly
big numbers past an undereducated audience.

 

[SpeareChucker]

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/22102.jpeg

Again, misleading unless presented as a percentage of population...



This is how you are being manipulated.

 

[oggbashan]

Again, misleading unless presented as a percentage of population...



This is how you are being manipulated.

OK.

EU population 518 Million
US population 329 Million

That makes the US figures FAR WORSE than the graph.

 

[SpeareChucker]

How are the EU cases being "confirmed?"*

How are they measuring up in deaths?

It is nothing more that typical cherry-picking
because the pretty picture seems to
confirm your personal bias.





* In other words, how are they doing with tests per capita?

 

[Conager]

That would be true if the figures meant anything at all. But they don't. Tests weren't even widely available when Europe was going through the bulk of their cases. No one has any idea how many cases they had.

Cases that don't involve serious illness mean absolutely nothing other than you're getting closer to hurt immunity. Cases did involved sickness but recovery are good news, yes?

Deaths are really what you're concerned about an even that you can't trust any of the figures because they're being heavily padded. All of the numbers posted in the US are not for Covid CAUSED death. They are for "PIC" which means any death that involve pneumonia, influenza or Covid or are merely suspected to be caused by any of those three causes. In addition, anyone who dies of any reason who had a positive test for Covid is included in those figures.

People talk about how well New York City and Italy have gotten a handle on their case load. Of course they did they ran out of people to infect.

 

[SpeareChucker]

When people don't understand Science and statistics,
a pretty graph pretty much tell the whole story;
not just a selected subset...

 

[Conager]

There's a reason that the panic peddlers have shifted to shrieking and the rending of garments over cases rather than deaths.

 

[oggbashan]

Look at the death rates, and the second and fourth columns only. Columns one and three are affected by testing rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

The UK is far ahead of the USA in deaths per 100,000 of population but our death rates are falling dramatically.

The US death rate is rising fast. The way is the US trend is rising I expect them to move up this table fast.

 

[surdeep]

What a horrific mess the USA has brought upon themselves.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Which one of those is the EU rate?






UK looks pretty bad there...

 

[Conager]

Look at the death rates, and the second and fourth columns only. Columns one and three are affected by testing rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

The UK is far ahead of the USA in deaths per 100,000 of population but our death rates are falling dramatically.

The US death rate is rising fast. The way is the US trend is rising I expect them to move up this table fast.

It's a function of where you on "the curve" that people talk about "flattening" which they think means less infections and less deaths. It just means spreading them out over a longer interval.

The UK started "the curve" before the US.

Our hotspots are mostly done.

We have an influx in cases on our southern border. Mexico is overwhelmed and American expats are coming home for treatment, and Mexican nationals, if they can make it surreptitiously to the interior are treated as well.

Arears of the US that have not had many infections, will.

NYC is horribly run, highly congested, and 40% infected.

They had only a handful of deaths.

The virus is doing what every virus does it runs out of people who are easily infected and runs out of people that are easy to kill. Fortunately it's missed you, and prayerfully, may it continue to do so

 

[SpeareChucker]

What a horrific mess the USA has brought upon themselves.

Thank you Mr. Biden.

Need we remind you that China exported it and then tried to cover it up?

 

[Conager]

What a horrific mess the USA has brought upon themselves.

Agreed. Mass hysteria and self-inflicted economic devastation over a virus with a kill rate of 0.26%

 

[oggbashan]

Which one of those is the EU rate?






UK looks pretty bad there...

It is. It is a function of being one of the first European countries affected when we, and our government were unprepared, and being an international travel hub with overcrowded cities.

What worries me is that the US is not learning from other countries' experiences. We didn't have the time or knowledge to react fast enough. The US had the time (and the knowledge) but did little. Unless thngs change, I worry for the US.

 

[SpeareChucker]

... and LA's not?

 

[Conager]

It is. It is a function of being one of the first European countries affected when we, and our government were unprepared, and being an international travel hub with overcrowded cities.

What worries me is that the US is not learning from other countries' experiences. We didn't have the time or knowledge to react fast enough. The US had the time (and the knowledge) but did little. Unless thngs change, I worry for the US.

There is nothing to "learn."

It's a fallacy. It's exactly like all of the nonsense about anthropogenic global warming. Yes man is producing a lot of co2. Yes it's a green hills gas. Yes it is argue oblique causing some portion of the warming that we are experiencing as we have been since the last ice Age. No, cutting carbon to zero is not going to control the thermostat. You can tell that none of those people are serious or every single one of them would be calling for nuclear power.

The virus is in the general population. If you lock down all you're doing is delaying the interval when you see the infections. Mask do not do anything but provide a false confidence so people get out, mingle, and spread the virus further. Which is fine- the virus is going to have to go through the population. It's what a communicable virus does. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

The virus isn't spreading from grocery store clerk to patron. It's spreading the exact same way venereal diseases do...by close contact. You need to be up close and personal with an infected person for a good 15 minutes in order to get enough of a viral load to become ill. Just like venereal diseases everyone thinks that they know who in their circle has been where and is likely safe or possibly infected. The problem is no one actually knows.

What needs to happen is young healthy people need to be living their ordinary normal lives and staying away from people who are vulnerable who have comorbidities and the elderly. The elderly because as we age are immune systems become less robust. If we had simply avoided mass hysteria, and treated this just like you would and ordinary flu...which is- don't go out or to work if you feel sick and isolate the vulnerable people the same way you do to isolate them from nfluenza, this virus would have already run its course by now.

All we've done is prolonged things which is worse because the longer that virus is out there , the more widespread it is, the more opportunity it is going to have to get to the vulnerable.

You can do a hard lockdown on the vulnerable for a month or two. You can't do it for a year

 

[jaF0]

The numbers are being played and being used to play the sheeple.


What I haven't quite figured out yet is why. Other than for the profit of someone.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Profit takes many forms...

 

[jaF0]

Kinda weird though if you buy into it all.

Rome burns while Nero fiddles.

Donny's electorate (older, white rednecks) dies while Donny golfs.

And Mitch adjourns.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You can't prove that.



The elderly are oftentimes Democrats...

 

[Conager]

What would you have them do? Stand on the corner and pass out masks?

The goal posts keep being moved.

We need to make sure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed! They aren't.

We can open up until we have lots of lots of tests available! They are ready.

Oh my God! With millions and millions of tests, ten percent of them are coming back positive. Oh my god!!!! But they are from people showing mild or no symptoms. .

Even worse! They will sneak up and infect MOAR people!!!!! Who will gave mild or no symptoms. .

Look at the tens of thosands of DEATHS!! In a country of 330 million.. and many of the deaths are being conflated as being caused by the virus, when they are merely suspected.

But people are DYING AT HOME who were never tested. Andikrly counted as Covid, but either way we are not seeing 160,000 excess deaths which means many of the deaths either were not Covid, or if they were, would have succumbed to ANY respiratory infection.

And on and on.

There is no point that this hysteria will abate before the November 13th date set by Joe Biden as the date we should wear masks until. The fact that that is ten days after he Hopes to be elected is surely a coincidence.

 

[FescueFan]

Kinda weird though if you buy into it all.

Rome burns while Nero fiddles.

Donny's electorate (older, white rednecks) dies while Donny golfs.

And Mitch adjourns.

This assumes Democrats never grow up and get jobs......or read a history book and find out communism doesn't work so well.

YOU jaF0, might one day grow up and get a job, or read history book of some kind too.

 

[Ziggins]

Some relatives may have it. They were fucked before the virus, so I don't see a good outcome there while they're both unemployed. I don't know which is worst: they become homeless, move in with the hateful bitch grandma, the parents die and the kids go to foster care, they move in with the other grandparents I never met, or the family is split up among various relatives.

 

[stickygirl]

It is. It is a function of being one of the first European countries affected when we, and our government were unprepared, and being an international travel hub with overcrowded cities.

What worries me is that the US is not learning from other countries' experiences. We didn't have the time or knowledge to react fast enough. The US had the time (and the knowledge) but did little. Unless thngs change, I worry for the US.

The facts were there, but Boris didn't take them seriously: other EU country acted in a more adult fashion "I've been shaking hands with coronavirus patients ( with no mask )". America should have taken note: same virus, same dumb-fuck leadership.

 

[LLCox]

It is my policy not to respond to, "hoaxers/ deniers / birthers / false flagers". A waste of onez and zeroz... well, sometimes I do a lmao or an lol.