Dr. Fauci and President Clinton

[SpeareChucker]

I know, it's a hypothetical and that's not even a crapshoot but...


The question came to me when posting in another thread just now,

If it were President Hillary Clinton and all other things being held equal,
everything, every step, every move, every comment and policy,
(Yes I know, she would have been on the job on Day 1,
but humor me, hold all things equal. )
Would Dr. Fauci be the darling
of medical Science?


Is he now merely the darling of political Science
as understood by the Main-Stream Media?

Would SARS-CoV-2 still be treated
as the modern Black Plague?

~~~~ or ~~~~

another seasonal flu?
Get over it!


???

 

[surdeep]

I was reading that the regular flu is way down in latin america due to more handwashing distancing and masks.

Dirty people who dont wash their hands are diseases best friends.

 

[IceDemon]

I read recently about when Obama was President Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from.

 

[Jada59]

I read recently about when Obam was President Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from.

I heard that too.

 

[bellisarius]

Tough question SC. I assume you're assuming that Fauci would be making the same statements he is now and Clinton had managed an economic recovery of similar proportions.

I think Clinton would be as antagonistic as Trump has been to the point of firing Fauci. The difference being that the press would cover for Clinton.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Yes, the press would hold her harmless
and focus on the W.H.O. and China...


This I believe.

 

[Jessie_Pinkman]

I read recently about when Obam was President Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from.

I heard that too.

Facts link

 

[SpeareChucker]

Some of Dr. Fauci's successes leading to his current post:

They include:

A 2004 internal NIH review that concluded Fauci’s AIDS research division was a “troubled organization” where managers were creating a hostile atmosphere with “sexually explicit and colorful language” and “seemingly being unaware of the need for appropriate behavior, decorum and enforcement of good management practices and rules of supervision.”
A pregnant Tennessee woman who died in 2003 after she enrolled in NIH-funded research in hopes of saving her soon-to-be-born son from getting AIDS. A review found that doctors continued to administer an experimental drug regimen despite signs of liver failure.
At least 10 children in a pediatric AIDS drug study died in what an investigation concluded was a death toll “significantly higher” than expected and unexplained.
An Office of Government Ethics investigation that cited NIAID for failing to review and clear two-thirds of its workers who were moonlighting in private industry for possible ethical conflicts.
A 1992 Department of Health and Human Services inspector general investigation that concluded NIAID failed to police two conflicts of interest in a vaccine experiment.
In 2005, the AIDS research division under Fauci’s agency was also required to reinstate a whistleblower, Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, its chief of ethics and regulatory compliance, after he and many lawmakers in both parties argued he had been wrongly fired in retaliation for raising safety concerns in some of the agency’s research.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...ons-not-to-trust-dr-fauci-here-you-go-n672363

 

[Adre]

Hey, that’s great! Now do the Trump list.

 

[Conager]

The reason Fauci is not a hydroxycloroquine booster is he got suckered in on it as a possible treatment on one of the other recent pandemics. H1N1, I think. He actively promoted it, then was embarrassed when it did not seem to help after all. He might be right both then and now, but that is the history of it.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I read recently about when Obam was President Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from.

I heard that too.

Jeebus you're both idiots.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Unwilling and/or unable to come to grips with Trump's creeping fascism, AJ and the boys retreat to the comfort of the RWCJ Reality Distortion Cocoon, where they spin playful "what if" fantasies involving their most hated nemeses (Hillary Clinton and Dr. Fauci), then pat themselves on the back and convince themselves "See? It's not bad at all here comparatively speaking!"

 

[colddiesel]

During the HIV aids crisis Fauci's most fervent critic by far was Larry Kramer the LGBTQ and Aids activist. He claimed again and again that Fauci was incompetent and that he was utterly under the control of the medical establishment.

Yet in the final wash up after years and years of insults, Kramer recanted and admitted publically, "Dr Fauci is the only great hero of the HIV campaign."

Some of the dopes rubbishing Fauci now better get ready for an extra large portion of humble pie in the fairly near future.

 

[Emerson40]

Poor Ishmael and AJ...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/yeah-but-her-emails-son-13432480.png


Also, PJ Media... *chuckle*


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AJ, more and more, your threads and posts are becoming indistinguishable from bizzybooby’s tripe.

Birds of a feather.

 

[Comshaw]

I know, it's a hypothetical and that's not even a crapshoot but...


The question came to me when posting in another thread just now,

If it were President Hillary Clinton and all other things being held equal,
everything, every step, every move, every comment and policy,
(Yes I know, she would have been on the job on Day 1,
but humor me, hold all things equal. )
Would Dr. Fauci be the darling
of medical Science?


Is he now merely the darling of political Science
as understood by the Main-Stream Media?

Would SARS-CoV-2 still be treated
as the modern Black Plague?

~~~~ or ~~~~

another seasonal flu?
Get over it!


???

Why should anyone play this game? Those who support Hillary are going to voice a completely different imaginary scenario, followed by her for the management and progression of the Covid-19 pandemic then those who oppose her. So really what good is your question? Does it get us any closer to understanding where we are, how we got here, and where we're going with this thing? Does it answer any pertinent and important queries? No, it does not. All it does is allow both sides to tout the imaginary actions taken by a leader that never was and defend the actions of the one who is with "ifs" "maybes" "could have been" and "plausible possibilities". An exercise in futility designed to stir the pot, manufacture more situations where everyone is pissing in each other's boot because there isn't any other real reason for the question and pull discussion away from that which is real and now. Nope, I ain't a gunna do it.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

I read recently about when Obam was President Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from.

I heard that too.

Fact check: Viral photo shows Obama, Fauci visiting NIH lab in 2014, not a 'Wuhan lab' in 2015


Every scrap and tidbit you read on the Internet is absolutely true!




Comshaw

 

[IceDemon]

Jeebus you're both idiots.

Bit harsh!

(fuck off )

 

[IceDemon]

Fact check: Viral photo shows Obama, Fauci visiting NIH lab in 2014, not a 'Wuhan lab' in 2015


Every scrap and tidbit you read on the Internet is absolutely true!




Comshaw

All I actually said was that Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from... and that is correct, is it not?!

(so you can fuck off too )

 

[Comshaw]

All I actually said was that Dr. Fauci and Obama had some involvement in the very lab in China that the coronavirus later originated from... and that is correct, is it not?!

(so you can fuck off too )

Yes you did. While you're trying to tap dance around it, all the articles I found were about Obama and Fauci visiting the facility. The article I cited quashes that idiocy. Beyond that, anyone can say anything they want, but it doesn't mean it's factual. And a vague reference to "something I read" isn't much back up for your claim. So where's your proof? Or are we supposed to take your word for it? and if so why should we? It always amuses me when someone gets caught with their pants down and their ass showing, the go-to response is "you can fuck off". Cudos; A really smart, intelligent come back that.


Comshaw

 

[Conager]

Also, PJ Media... *chuckle*


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Source: media bias factcheck.com

You needed a "factcheck" to know PJMedia leans right? You don't read much, do you?

Impugning the source is what you do when you have no actual argument to make.

Using a biased source to check bias is hillarious.

Not even the irrationally leftist RationalWiki for those who can't bear Wikipedia's decidedly left slant can say your "fact" checker is objective.

Opinions about opinions aren't "facts."

 

[Rightguide]

You needed a "factcheck" to know PJMedia leans right? You don't read much, do you?

Impugning the source is what you do when you have no actual argument to make.

Using a biased source to check bias is hillarious.

Not even the irrationally leftist RationalWiki for those who can't bear Wikipedia's decidedly left slant can say your "fact" checker is objective.

Opinions about opinions aren't "facts."

On top of that we know Snopes is for dopes.

 

[Emerson40]

You needed a "factcheck" to know PJMedia leans right? You don't read much, do you?

Impugning the source is what you do when you have no actual argument to make.

Using a biased source to check bias is hillarious.

Not even the irrationally leftist RationalWiki for those who can't bear Wikipedia's decidedly left slant can say your "fact" checker is objective.

Opinions about opinions aren't "facts."

No Woody, nobody needs any ‘fact check’ to confirm that most of what comes from the likes of AJ is right-wing rhetoric and propaganda, deflection attempts from the real issues, and biased opinion at best.

But please, feel free to point me in the direction of a website that says they’re wrong about PJ media, that PJ media is unbiased in it’s media and stories.

The same goes for the fact - not opinion - that you are an idiot with all your anti-mask nonsense. No website required. Just read any of your whackadoodle posts and then look at science, and the work of epidemiologists, doctors, and health care professionals around the world.

Pathetic lil’ plague rat.

 

[Conager]

You should be able to refute anything that is inaccurate. What does the source matter if the underlying facts are actually true? If you can't point to it actual fact that is actually not true then you are just as in effective as those who claim to spot a logical fallacy in an argument but don't use it to then actually defeat the argument and advance their own. You don't really get how rhetorical argument works do you?

You don't look at "zcience, and the work of epidemiologists, doctors, and health care professionals" you look at tweets and memes. I've linked up numerous papers that reflect "at science, and the work of epidemiologists, doctors, and health care professionals" which you have neither read, nor presented any countervailing papers, because there aren't any.

 

[Emerson40]

You should be able to refute anything that is inaccurate. What does the source matter if the underlying facts are actually true? If you can't point to it actual fact that is actually not true then you are just as in effective as those who claim to spot a logical fallacy in an argument but don't use it to then actually defeat the argument and advance their own. You don't really get how rhetorical argument works do you?

You don't look at "zcience, and the work of epidemiologists, doctors, and health care professionals" you look at tweets and memes. I've linked up numerous papers that reflect "at science, and the work of epidemiologists, doctors, and health care professionals" which you have neither read, nor presented any countervailing papers, because there aren't any.

Shaddap plague rat. I and others just posted links and proof refuting, yet again, your mask misinformation and bullshit, in the Masks thread.

A complete waste of time, mind you, because you are thick as a brick and will continue your campaign of anti-mask nonsense because it serves you politically. Silly, since COVID is a human health crisis and nothing to do with Republicans, Trump, your freedoms, or elections.

Hop off your soapbox, Woody. You’re ridiculous, and no one has time for your bullshit.

 

[KeithD]

You’re ridiculous, and no one has time for your bullshit.

So much so that some of us no longer even read it.