BoyNextDoor
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Of course there is. Wouldn't you agree?
Is here a link between poverty and crime?
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Biggs_Darklighter
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Different crimes is all. Having money has never ever stopped anyone.
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I agree, but why stop there???
Is there a link between poverty and poor health???
Is there a link between poverty and academic struggles.
Is there a link between poverty and domestic violence???
There's obviously a connection between crime and poverty, but the really connection is between poverty and judicial outcomes. If you're rich you can buy justice.
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Can't do the poll. White collar crime is apparently a non-issue. The one that left many of us without jobs or homes, and when the Great Recession hit, a major banker's (Deutsche) policy was zero references for the non-Executives.
in all honesty, I've been very angry with you and SC and FFF lately.
Maybe not you, you don't come across as racist as they portray you,
but definitely with sc and FFF.
Which puts me in a bind - sc in particular was always kind and gracious towards me, when I was bullied by the GB Left based on my ethnicity, but some of his latest comments have been... so... dehumanising.
But I totally agree.
Wtf poverty? In Western countries????????????????????
Where every Jack and Jo can afford a DVD player, and minorities have the SAME access to instrumental supports, as Whites have
A wise friend once told me that it's not about poverty, as much as about STIGMA.
Stigmatized, looked down upon minorities are more prone to criminality.
Right or wrong, I think it's a far more interesting topic for debate, than the 'poverty' stuff.
Maybe not you, you don't come across as racist as they portray you,
but definitely with sc and FFF.
Which puts me in a bind - sc in particular was always kind and gracious towards me, when I was bullied by the GB Left based on my ethnicity, but some of his latest comments have been... so... dehumanising.
But I totally agree.
Wtf poverty? In Western countries????????????????????
Where every Jack and Jo can afford a DVD player, and minorities have the SAME access to instrumental supports, as Whites have
A wise friend once told me that it's not about poverty, as much as about STIGMA.
Stigmatized, looked down upon minorities are more prone to criminality.
Right or wrong, I think it's a far more interesting topic for debate, than the 'poverty' stuff.
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Whether or not you can buy your way out doesn't change the fact that you committed the crime.
Crime has existed from the beginning and at all levels about equally. But a Roman Senator could buy his way out and so could an ex running back with a less than stellar acting career. Meanwhile Average Dude or Minority Dude go to jail and get fined so they get our ass and our money both just to spite us for being poor ass bitches.
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I just accept it. It's not going to change. All the idealism in the world isn't gonna change it. It's human nature.
But it's not a link between poverty and crime except in the most roundabout way.
Yeah, that's why I specified that the real connection was between poverty and judicial outcomes.
The fact that you're so blasé about it makes me wonder what it would take to rile you up.
It makes my blood boil to the point of electing someone who will put an end to it. Joe Biden is just a transitional president to the future nominee who will address the two systems of justice in this country.
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yes, if you differentiate the type of crime. bernie madoff may not steal your television but he might steal your retirement fund.
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Yes; Crime causes poverty.
Criminals are criminals because they are anti-social. They fuck up everywhere they live with their petty and larger crimes, which runs down property values which makes building wealth difficult for their neighbors so they end up living in squalor where no one wants to invest so there are less job opportunities and the entire area devolves into a downward spiral of poverty.
Is this where you return to your racist idea that aborting all those black babies reduces crime?
Criminals are criminals because they are anti-social. They fuck up everywhere they live with their petty and larger crimes, which runs down property values which makes building wealth difficult for their neighbors so they end up living in squalor where no one wants to invest so there are less job opportunities and the entire area devolves into a downward spiral of poverty.
Is this where you return to your racist idea that aborting all those black babies reduces crime?
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Exactly. Crime is something you allow yourself to do to others. It is not dependent on where you live or what you have. It's what you do.
Low-income neighborhoods have a lot of visible crime, they don't have more criminals, just more convicted felons, who then bump into more cops on their day to day, and get caught again. The proportion of decent versus shitty people is exactly the same everywhere you go.
Maybe.
Wealthier assholes tend to be better at getting away with being assholes.
My dad always said, not all criminals are in jail.
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Now, now.
You're both right and totally wrong. Without what is known as "criminal mind" no business would ever be or succeed. Innovation of any kind and criminal activity are two sides of the same coin.
However, theft is sin exactly because it decreases total value of assets in a society.
Beyond that, laws are arbitrary expressions of power.
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Conager
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Theft is unproductive but it is neutral. Nothing created, just transferred.
One could argue that depending on the asset stolen, and what is done with it, there might be either a positive or negative societal economic benefit from reallocation, right?
Say that car is stolen from a farmer's back forty, restored and utilized. Benefit.
Another is a daily driver, stolen to make some cash former few easily disposed of Parts then the car is crushed for scrap. Economic loss.
One could argue that depending on the asset stolen, and what is done with it, there might be either a positive or negative societal economic benefit from reallocation, right?
Say that car is stolen from a farmer's back forty, restored and utilized. Benefit.
Another is a daily driver, stolen to make some cash former few easily disposed of Parts then the car is crushed for scrap. Economic loss.
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Take a look at the economics of crime and you will see that Crime is committed when there is more to gain than there is to lose. As Bob Dylan sang "When you ain't got nuthin, you got nuthin to lose."
Yes poverty causes crime.
Take a look at Marslow hierarchy of needs. A person's motivation is to first deal with providing shelter and food for the family. If they don't have that, they will do whatever is necessary to provide it. Only when they have permanent shelter and food are they motivated by other needs. Respect and esteem come in the third layer and you have to get people to that level before the appeal of just taking what they need dissipates. For many some of them very rich, it is impossible to get beyond that level because the money doesn't give them respect and esteem.
Yes poverty causes crime.
Take a look at Marslow hierarchy of needs. A person's motivation is to first deal with providing shelter and food for the family. If they don't have that, they will do whatever is necessary to provide it. Only when they have permanent shelter and food are they motivated by other needs. Respect and esteem come in the third layer and you have to get people to that level before the appeal of just taking what they need dissipates. For many some of them very rich, it is impossible to get beyond that level because the money doesn't give them respect and esteem.
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Sure, there are exceptions, a "fair" Robin Hood cases and such, but those outliers. Statistically, theft destroys value, because thief will unlikely create the same amount of added value in using the stolen asset than the lawful owner would (assuming fair laws, of course, what they seldom are, but that's whole another discussion).
Want an example?
A farmer installed a new drive-on scale (for ~€80 000). A neighborhood drunk used a plasma cutter, stolen from his prior employer a decade ago, to cut out a few pieces of metal he sold as scrap and used the money to buy moonshine.
How that sequence is value neural for the economy?
A bit extreme, yes, but fairly typical in showing how crime decreases asset value.
Just to conclude the story, there was a suspicion a competing farmer tipped the drunk. And the guy get lost going on an unexpected hike through the marshlands and was found drowned a year later.
That didn't bring positive economic growth either, if you look at the consequences, however seemingly insignificant, the occasional employment (in helping an old woman to prepare firewood and the like) of the drunk was otherwise gainful.
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I've a brother that is a police lieutenant. He started fairly polarized in his thinking but now if you talk to him about crime and punishment he will tell you that drug addicts and criminals hurt themselves and their families even more than they hurt society.
As you point out with your story, even the most loathsome criminals contribute somewhat, and have potential to contribute far more to society than they do.
Even just redirecting their self centered interests would benefit both them and society. The problem is that most people whether they are criminals or not don't really appreciate that. Everyone's looking for quick and easy to their own detriment.
As you point out with your story, even the most loathsome criminals contribute somewhat, and have potential to contribute far more to society than they do.
Even just redirecting their self centered interests would benefit both them and society. The problem is that most people whether they are criminals or not don't really appreciate that. Everyone's looking for quick and easy to their own detriment.
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Crime is a very broad word which is going to leave you able to
disagree with answers that you don't think are right;
get it out of the subjective and I, for one,
would be happy to answer a more
objectively specific question.
Obviously there is a difference between a mugger
and an insider trader on Wall Street...
:shrug:
