Have you seen the idiocy?

[paladin1954]

There are many fantastic stories out there that are being thwarted by some who would, for a purpose, decide that many of the stories are unworthy. I think this is ultra-conservative bullshit, simply taking life away at a whim. When I think a story is a 5 star, and others think it is a one star, it is a stupid way of deciding what is an original thought. Stories need to be vented in the proper way. I am frustrated with Literotica for only thinking the common votes might benefit.

 

[AlinaX]

Um... eh? Please elaborate.

 

[Jada59]

Examples?

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Try again when sober.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I have now.

 

[Emirus]

Try again when sober.

I am sober but that doesn’t mean I will make sense. But I’ll give it a go and hope I’ve understood you correctly.

So going downwards from 5 to 1 at present the definitions are: love it - like it - average - dislike - hate it.

Are you suggesting, as the system recognises what number is being voted and it seems able to sweep 1’s away without a problem, they alter the voting so if anyone votes 1 it isn’t picked up by the system at all? It does seem simple to do. Are you thinking possibly doing away with 2’s as well?

Or perhaps they alter the definitions to: 5 = Very Good, 4 = Like it, 3 = Average? Maybe if the 2 was kept it could mean you are on the right lines but I recommend you get a proof reader/editor. That doesn’t mean they won’t vote 2 but it won’t be as damaging. However removing both 1 and 2 would really make writers happy. There is the option, as now, of not voting.

Please tell me I’ve understand you correctly, Nyx. Or at least got somewhere close? Or should I not have bothered?

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I am sober but that doesn’t mean I will make sense. But I’ll give it a go and hope I’ve understood you correctly.

So going downwards from 5 to 1 at present the definitions are: love it - like it - average - dislike - hate it.

Are you suggesting, as the system recognises what number is being voted and it seems able to sweep 1’s away without a problem, they alter the voting so if anyone votes 1 it isn’t picked up by the system at all? It does seem simple to do. Are you thinking possibly doing away with 2’s as well?

Or perhaps they alter the definitions to: 5 = Very Good, 4 = Like it, 3 = Average? Maybe if the 2 was kept it could mean you are on the right lines but I recommend you get a proof reader/editor. That doesn’t mean they won’t vote 2 but it won’t be as damaging. However removing both 1 and 2 would really make writers happy. There is the option, as now, of not voting.

Please tell me I’ve understand you correctly, Nyx. Or at least got somewhere close? Or should I not have bothered?

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything remotely related to this subject.

 

[SimonDoom]

I am sober but that doesn’t mean I will make sense. But I’ll give it a go and hope I’ve understood you correctly.

So going downwards from 5 to 1 at present the definitions are: love it - like it - average - dislike - hate it.

Are you suggesting, as the system recognises what number is being voted and it seems able to sweep 1’s away without a problem, they alter the voting so if anyone votes 1 it isn’t picked up by the system at all? It does seem simple to do. Are you thinking possibly doing away with 2’s as well?

Or perhaps they alter the definitions to: 5 = Very Good, 4 = Like it, 3 = Average? Maybe if the 2 was kept it could mean you are on the right lines but I recommend you get a proof reader/editor. That doesn’t mean they won’t vote 2 but it won’t be as damaging. However removing both 1 and 2 would really make writers happy. There is the option, as now, of not voting.

Please tell me I’ve understand you correctly, Nyx. Or at least got somewhere close? Or should I not have bothered?

I don't understand your post, or the original post, and I've re-read both a few times.

But my sense is that you are over-thinking this and imputing bad intent to a system where none exists.

The sweep system is not intended to get rid of 1s across the board. It is intended to get rid of "phony" votes, whatever they are. The nature of the system is kept deliberately mysterious so it cannot be easily circumvented. This is a sensible thing to do and it's not a reason to believe that something unfair or nefarious is going on.

 

[Emirus]

Try again when sober.

I was lying, Nyx. I was drunk. Sorry about that. I was answering the OP because I couldn’t understand what they were on about either so.

 

[Emirus]

I don't understand your post, or the original post, and I've re-read both a few times.

But my sense is that you are over-thinking this and imputing bad intent to a system where none exists.

The sweep system is not intended to get rid of 1s across the board. It is intended to get rid of "phony" votes, whatever they are. The nature of the system is kept deliberately mysterious so it cannot be easily circumvented. This is a sensible thing to do and it's not a reason to believe that something unfair or nefarious is going on.

Okay.

 

[KeithD]

I do hate it when stories aren't vented in the proper way. *nods head*

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I was lying, Nyx. I was drunk. Sorry about that. I was answering the OP because I couldn’t understand what they were on about either so.

Maybe the problem is that none of us are drunk enough to make sense of it.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Maybe the problem is that none of us are drunk enough to make sense of it.

THIS i believe, truth and whatnot.

 

[Jada59]

Maybe the problem is that none of us are drunk enough to make sense of it.

Or we're just not vented in the proper way.

 

[lovecraft68]

Okay, so I'm not sober, or drunk, but I am hungover, so I'll try.

I think he has an issue with scoring in general. That stories are subjective and someone's 5 could be another persons 2.

Because this site is heavily geared towards numbers and H's, and we've had many people say when they look for stories they hit top lists and look for H's and that's how they decide to read, that a story that suffers a lower score won't get read as much

So I think his case is maybe there should be no scoring and each story treated the same and stand on its own merit?

 

[ElectricBlue]

So I think his case is maybe there should be no scoring and each story treated the same and stand on its own merit?

That's like little kiddies being told the point of sport is not win or lose but to play the game. If that's the case, why are there goal posts?

Stories already stand on their merit. They're either good or bad and readers tell us so, using whatever criteria the great unwashed choose to apply.

If readers bitch and moan that scores are not representative of a story's true quality it's quite simple - get the ninety-nine who don't vote to start voting, to counterbalance the one voter who does bother to vote. If you don't vote, you get who the others vote for. Haven't folk figured that out yet?

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

...Stories already stand on their merit. They're either good or bad and readers tell us so, using whatever criteria the great unwashed choose to apply...

"The great unwashed?" Seriously?

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Okay, so I'm not sober, or drunk, but I am hungover, so I'll try.

I think he has an issue with scoring in general. That stories are subjective and someone's 5 could be another persons 2.

Because this site is heavily geared towards numbers and H's, and we've had many people say when they look for stories they hit top lists and look for H's and that's how they decide to read, that a story that suffers a lower score won't get read as much

So I think his case is maybe there should be no scoring and each story treated the same and stand on its own merit?

I want to see you tackle the part about "taking away life at a whim!"

 

[lovecraft68]

That's like little kiddies being told the point of sport is not win or lose but to play the game. If that's the case, why are there goal posts?

Stories already stand on their merit. They're either good or bad and readers tell us so, using whatever criteria the great unwashed choose to apply.

If readers bitch and moan that scores are not representative of a story's true quality it's quite simple - get the ninety-nine who don't vote to start voting, to counterbalance the one voter who does bother to vote. If you don't vote, you get who the others vote for. Haven't folk figured that out yet?

I didn't say I agree, I'm trying to interpret what he might be saying. I'm not part of the participation award crowd. I'm part of the second place is another word for loser crowd.

The only argument I've heard regarding removing the red H that has some merit is that its become a bullseye for trolls. Same for Green E's and W's, except there's a hell of a lot more Red H's and they're easier to find, the other stuff you have to be looking on someone's story page, that's a lot of extra keys to hit, which isn't easy when typing with hooves.

I don't get any of the bitching about scores, this site is pretty damn soft. The median score for a story across the board here is over four(or damn close) and whatever the exact number is would be higher if Loving Wives was removed from the equation....and one author who has 3100+ stories with an average score somewhere around 3 Impressive one person can help skew an entire site.

Point is this site-and I might have done a thread on this a long time ago-seems to think there is no such thing a legit one bomb, of it so, very few. For people whining about bombs and trolls...the average story is the equal to 80% or a B and the 4 means 'really liked it good read'

Just like for all the complaining of anon...the average anon comment is positive, unless again we bring LW in. There are anon shitheads in every category, but good anon far outweighs bad anon.

The complainers are looking for lit to allow only one vote, a 5 and a feature that allows only glowing feedback only.

I think these are the people want the participation awards, the rest of us like to earn our ratings and take the bad with the good.

 

[ElectricBlue]

"The great unwashed?" Seriously?

So serious, Nyx! If it's good enough for Edward Bulwer-Lytton it's good enough for me. I could channel Karl Marx I guess, and refer to the proletariat, or really piss people off by referring to the urban proletariat. Or Groucho Marx, "I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member."

Join them if you choose to. Others may discriminate, using their own criteria .

 

[lovecraft68]

I want to see you tackle the part about "taking away life at a whim!"

Tackle as in you want to see me take away lives on a whim?
Don't tempt me.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm not part of the participation award crowd. I'm part of the second place is another word for loser crowd.

Gosh, LC, I never took you for that kind of a guy. I thought you'd be giving up the gold medal for the kid coming last.

I think these are the people want the participation awards, the rest of us like to earn our ratings and take the bad with the good.

Agree this. It's like the writers who wander in bleating about their low scores, and you go read their work and come away thinking, "Can't see the disconnect, myself."

After all, a million Lit voters can't be wrong.

EB looks at Nyx. "I know, I know. Soap."

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Tackle as in you want to see me take away lives on a whim?
Don't tempt me.

I suppose you might be tempted to do so if you try to contort yourself through the OP's process so you can explain how scoring is a conservative conspiracy to take away lives at a whim. But you'd have an interesting basis for an insanity plea!

 

[lovecraft68]

I suppose you might be tempted to do so if you try to contort yourself through the OP's process so you can explain how scoring is a conservative conspiracy to take away lives at a whim. But you'd have an interesting basis for an insanity plea!

I only tried to explain what I understood. The part about some type of conservative conspiracy is more effort than I want to put into this. Maybe he should post in the politics forum.

 

[Emirus]

Stories already stand on their merit. They're either good or bad and readers tell us so using whatever criteria (they) choose to apply.

If readers bitch and moan that scores are not representative of a story's true quality

I would agree most stories do stand on their own merit and, relatively there are few anomalies, and a proportion of those are removed. But I would disagree about readers telling us whether they consider a story good or bad, unless you mean a small proportion of readers tell us, which I would agree is the case. I know people have commented on occasions about the tiny ratio of comments and votes to views and, although I remember the figure is incredibly low, I can’t remember what had been said.

I don’t think readers, in the main, bitch and moan scores are not representative. You do get the cases when someone leaves a disparaging comment (mostly anonymous) and subsequently another reader (much of the time named) disagrees but that’s not many. I think looking at views, and assuming for the sake of discussion, only 25% of people actually read the story there’s a massive amount of those who just move on whether they liked it, loathed it or were ambivelant.

I do think there are an awful lot of readers who are influenced by red.