Anyone attending these "protests" is just as guilty

[renard_ruse]

At this point if you're out in the streets offering moral support to those actually committing violence you are an accessory to the violence and treason against society and equally guilty.

When will authorities declare martial law and finally get this scum off our streets? How long are they going to let this go on before they use necessary lethal force?

 

[Sean]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[renard_ruse]

Also when will the scum at these riots be charged with Corona virus rule violations? One law for the average person and another law for these scum "protestors"?

 

[cjh]

I'm trying to remember what the Tea Party was about. Seems to me if you wear one of those silly yellow shirts, you're all for his sort of citizen engagement.

 

[Conager]

Nope:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/31/brooklyn-protesters-block-rioters-looting-target/

 

[mark_j]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That part went out the window as soon as they started looting and burning.

 

[Sean]

That part went out the window as soon as they started looting and burning.

Read the OP, dimwit.

 

[Conager]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Where's your support of the the First Amendment in the free exercise of religion threads. You don't consider it absolute there.

This is not yelling "fire in the theater," this is being present at a declared-to-be-unlawful due to actual arson in progress. Police can and do disburse unlawful assemblies, which is am actual thing, with exigent circumstances where public safety and personal property is at risk.

Just proximity to a crime scene, much less sn active crime scene gives police power to exclude you.

Why do you suppose there is a permitting process for events and even loudspeaker permits? You get a permit, you can have the police remove the unaffiliated from your event making it clear that unlawful actions are not part of your agenda.

Perhaps if the protesters were masked, maintaining social distancing, and less than 25% of crowd capacity it would be ok.

 

[mark_j]

Read the OP, dimwit.

OP was being overtly hyperbolic. But he wasn't entirely wrong either.

 

[phrodeau]

Where's your support of the the First Amendment in the free exercise of religion threads. You don't consider it absolute there.

This is not yelling "fire in the theater," this is being present at a declared-to-be-unlawful due to actual arson in progress. Police can and do disburse unlawful assemblies, which is am actual thing, with exigent circumstances where public safety and personal property is at risk.

Just proximity to a crime scene, much less sn active crime scene gives police power to exclude you.

Why do you suppose there is a permitting process for events and even loudspeaker permits? You get a permit, you can have the police remove the unaffiliated from your event making it clear that unlawful actions are not part of your agenda.

Perhaps if the protesters were masked, maintaining social distancing, and less than 25% of crowd capacity it would be ok.

Did the folks in Lansing in April have permits? Did you care then?

 

[Conager]

In some cases declared curfews are being violated.

Several things are worth noted about this in the age of Twitter.

Citizens are not having their voices of dissent suppressed when they are denied the public square in the interest of public safety when you consider how quickly and more effectively there message can get attention on modern media platforms.

They can reach a much wider audience and do so much more quickly then you can physically get to a location cause enough of a noticeable event to attract news coverage and have your message televised.

How then does that square with private organizations that are in some ways quasi public Utilities being free to amplify some voices and completely deny Andy platform other voices?

In my actual Publix Square when the Sun came up and I had a chance to see some relatively minor graffiti scroll one of them said "Justice for Floyd." It's a little late for Floyd to either have his civil rights protected or his alleged crime punished by justice, but justice does not serve at the pleasure of individuals. The Justice Department represents the State. The offenses prosecuted are against society. His family, friends and society at large all have a vested interest in seeing that justice is served. Justice is not a fungible concept that means the most aggrieved get an outcome that they prefer, much less demand. Justice is served or it is not according to the law that we have agreed to be ruled by.

Mob rule is the opposite of justice, even if the mob, or societal concurrence agrees with an outcome. Blind Justice demands the exclusion of the influence of societal outrage. We are bound to the idea that justice should find the "correct" verdict and our justice system depends on the idea that we have to accept verdicts that feel wrong or are pretty apparently wrong because the alternative to our agreed system is horrific.

I get, and sincerely respect that it is a sincerely held belief and not without historical and present-day anecdotes in the black community that justice is not blind, not impartial, and denied in many specific, identifiable cases and that statistical correlation strongly suggests tiered, unequal justice systems. I would submit that correlation is about affluence versus poverty more than it is about race, but acknowledge that I cannot speak to that with the same point of view.

I also submit that blacks cannot see that point of view because poor and black does seem quite reasonably a greater burden then simply poor. I have definitely had multiple incidence where I have had my civil rights violated buy law enforcement and each and every time it has been when I'm driving a beater. I have never had anything but courtesy when I drove a Mercedes. One privilege that I have to acknowledge that I enjoy is that when I am dealing with a white, asshole cop, I know for sure that he's just an asshole, and it's not because I'm white. When I am pulled over it is never fir driving while white, but I have been stopped for driving while poor in wealthy enclaves when my work.then took me to such pkaces.

In this case, what is the "justice" being denied?

4 days from incident to arrest is justice pretty engaged. Remains to be seen whether justice is served and what that looked like

In this case, the event as seen on video was universally denounced from all quarters, yet we have riots? How does that square?

I don't think that it is invalid to point out that this event would have received far less attention had they're not been such brutal video. I get did it's reasonable to extrapolate from that that for each incident that we do see their must be incidents that we do not see.

No incidents of abuse of civil rights under color of law are acceptable. No incidents of excessive force are acceptable. All citizens in police custody and you are in custody the moment you are detained are the direct responsibility of the officers involved, their department, and their city, State or Federal government. I don't have any doubt whatsoever that a jury would find from that video alone for recovery of wrongful death damages for his family. That does not bring him back and regardless of his history I am sure his family would prefer him to the money. My point is though that's part of accountability and that's part of Justice.

All of that is in process in this particular case and going forward as cameras become you big with us such incidence will be caught sooner and justice will be served more accurately.

It does not serve the nation as a whole or the black community in particular to ignite a firestorm before any of those things can occur.

This is what progress looks like. Progress is what all Americans of any color should want.

Buy way of analogy everytime the Democrats do something that they really need to be called in the carpet for and Republicans called him on the carpet the deflection is always that the Republicans have "pounced" on an incident.

It seems that a similar dynamic occurs in these incidents of possible police misconduct but only when the race of the officer and apoarent victim are aligned correctly.

Why can we not find some common ground and start with the idea that all citizens are equal under the law and we demand courtesy and professionalism from our law enforcement? Why can we not agree that law enforcement when it is performed courteously and professionally is a benefit to the community they serve?

You get more of what you praise and pay for and less of what you punish. If the same processes and concerns are exhibited when any citizen is abused, patterns of abuse emerge. Minneapolis has a problem. This guy had multiple complaints. Why was he still a cop? What did those complaints look like, not even in hindsight, but at the time, viewed together. What was the thinking about the previous 18 complaints when the 19th was received? Is 19 a lot or his career time, or not?

I've taken the time to formally complain only three times. Each time I did so, it wasn't about lashing out at the cop that did me wrong, it was about this feels like this guy should not be walking around with a gun, shielded by a badge. Once, a small town police chief encouraged me to make a written complaint. I declined because the guy was already harassing me and I did not want to enjoy anymore of his attention. I should have though because that cop eventually was invited after he tased a woman and a disabled man. I didn't get the the police chief was not able to take the action that his got in my got were telling us about that particular cop without me having the courage to put my name on a piece of paper that this guy should not be a cop.

I don't think that we as citizens need to flood internal affairs departments everytime we don't think we got a nice smile out of a cop or perhaps he was a little grouchy or surly but each and every time that you observe a small incident of a cop willing to ignore your civil rights you should pick up the phone and make a formal statement about that. My brother used to be in internal affairs sergeant and he took that job very seriously. He absolutely did not take consider that it was his job to cover for fellow officers or two sue incidents his job was judas passionately examine what happened review the body cam footage or recordings and make a recommendation as to weather some sort of counseling or discipline was called for. Sometimes people just don't like being arrested or ticketed, but more commonly, there's an actual problem that needs to be addressed.

I would not be surprised if more people have taken the time to escalate a complaint about poor treatment in a customer service setting, than have done so for corresponding events in their contact with law enforcement. Feedback matters, even on the relatively minor stuff. Hi get why most people would be hesitant to do so and would not have any confidence in the efficacy of such an effort, but it is the most effect that individual citizens can have. Voting for this politician or that that promises to change things or voting to establish civilian boards and so forth which I actually think our a somewhat decent idea that cops don't really like much are not nearly as important as having an idea in the department how a particular officer is being received in the community.

Not every less than professional cop needs to be fired tomorrow but their departments need to know early before Badcock end up promoted and causing the kind of culture that you see in some departments. It's easier to root that out when they're rookies then it is once they've gotten some seniority.

I don't think ascribing racism every single time an incident occurs with a black citizen and a white cop moves the needle in the direction that I think anyone of goodwill should agree it should go.

We are not without the benefit of data that can help us understand the places where problems in our entire criminal justice service are. There is no good way to correctly address the frequency of a particular type of occurrence without appearing to minimize how unacceptable as single incident is. Perspective is important as well as recognizing and acknowledging that one's prospective depends entirely upon where one stands.

TL;DR: addressing minor injustices is how you best avoid a cascade of failures that leads to catastrophic injustices. This idea works in business and industry which is why they use it. Even the police use it against crime in the so-called broken windows theory of policing.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

At this point if you're out in the streets offering moral support to those actually committing violence you are an accessory to the violence and treason against society and equally guilty.

When will authorities declare martial law and finally get this scum off our streets? How long are they going to let this go on before they use necessary lethal force?

Renard, I know it's not intentional but you're a funny guy

 

[Mal_Huevo]

At this point if you're out in the streets offering moral support to those actually committing violence you are an accessory to the violence and treason against society and equally guilty.

When will authorities declare martial law and finally get this scum off our streets? How long are they going to let this go on before they use necessary lethal force?

American police use lethal force pre-emptively.

 

[MartinHeidegger]

In some cases declared curfews are being violated.

Several things are worth noted about this in the age of Twitter.

Citizens are not having their voices of dissent suppressed when they are denied the public square in the interest of public safety when you consider how quickly and more effectively there message can get attention on modern media platforms.

They can reach a much wider audience and do so much more quickly then you can physically get to a location cause enough of a noticeable event to attract news coverage and have your message televised.

How then does that square with private organizations that are in some ways quasi public Utilities being free to amplify some voices and completely deny Andy platform other voices?

In my actual Publix Square when the Sun came up and I had a chance to see some relatively minor graffiti scroll one of them said "Justice for Floyd." It's a little late for Floyd to either have his civil rights protected or his alleged crime punished by justice, but justice does not serve at the pleasure of individuals. The Justice Department represents the State. The offenses prosecuted are against society. His family, friends and society at large all have a vested interest in seeing that justice is served. Justice is not a fungible concept that means the most aggrieved get an outcome that they prefer, much less demand. Justice is served or it is not according to the law that we have agreed to be ruled by.

Mob rule is the opposite of justice, even if the mob, or societal concurrence agrees with an outcome. Blind Justice demands the exclusion of the influence of societal outrage. We are bound to the idea that justice should find the "correct" verdict and our justice system depends on the idea that we have to accept verdicts that feel wrong or are pretty apparently wrong because the alternative to our agreed system is horrific.

I get, and sincerely respect that it is a sincerely held belief and not without historical and present-day anecdotes in the black community that justice is not blind, not impartial, and denied in many specific, identifiable cases and that statistical correlation strongly suggests tiered, unequal justice systems. I would submit that correlation is about affluence versus poverty more than it is about race, but acknowledge that I cannot speak to that with the same point of view.

I also submit that blacks cannot see that point of view because poor and black does seem quite reasonably a greater burden then simply poor. I have definitely had multiple incidence where I have had my civil rights violated buy law enforcement and each and every time it has been when I'm driving a beater. I have never had anything but courtesy when I drove a Mercedes. One privilege that I have to acknowledge that I enjoy is that when I am dealing with a white, asshole cop, I know for sure that he's just an asshole, and it's not because I'm white. When I am pulled over it is never fir driving while white, but I have been stopped for driving while poor in wealthy enclaves when my work.then took me to such pkaces.

In this case, what is the "justice" being denied?

4 days from incident to arrest is justice pretty engaged. Remains to be seen whether justice is served and what that looked like

In this case, the event as seen on video was universally denounced from all quarters, yet we have riots? How does that square?

I don't think that it is invalid to point out that this event would have received far less attention had they're not been such brutal video. I get did it's reasonable to extrapolate from that that for each incident that we do see their must be incidents that we do not see.

No incidents of abuse of civil rights under color of law are acceptable. No incidents of excessive force are acceptable. All citizens in police custody and you are in custody the moment you are detained are the direct responsibility of the officers involved, their department, and their city, State or Federal government. I don't have any doubt whatsoever that a jury would find from that video alone for recovery of wrongful death damages for his family. That does not bring him back and regardless of his history I am sure his family would prefer him to the money. My point is though that's part of accountability and that's part of Justice.

All of that is in process in this particular case and going forward as cameras become you big with us such incidence will be caught sooner and justice will be served more accurately.

It does not serve the nation as a whole or the black community in particular to ignite a firestorm before any of those things can occur.

This is what progress looks like. Progress is what all Americans of any color should want.

Buy way of analogy everytime the Democrats do something that they really need to be called in the carpet for and Republicans called him on the carpet the deflection is always that the Republicans have "pounced" on an incident.

It seems that a similar dynamic occurs in these incidents of possible police misconduct but only when the race of the officer and apoarent victim are aligned correctly.

Why can we not find some common ground and start with the idea that all citizens are equal under the law and we demand courtesy and professionalism from our law enforcement? Why can we not agree that law enforcement when it is performed courteously and professionally is a benefit to the community they serve?

You get more of what you praise and pay for and less of what you punish. If the same processes and concerns are exhibited when any citizen is abused, patterns of abuse emerge. Minneapolis has a problem. This guy had multiple complaints. Why was he still a cop? What did those complaints look like, not even in hindsight, but at the time, viewed together. What was the thinking about the previous 18 complaints when the 19th was received? Is 19 a lot or his career time, or not?

I've taken the time to formally complain only three times. Each time I did so, it wasn't about lashing out at the cop that did me wrong, it was about this feels like this guy should not be walking around with a gun, shielded by a badge. Once, a small town police chief encouraged me to make a written complaint. I declined because the guy was already harassing me and I did not want to enjoy anymore of his attention. I should have though because that cop eventually was invited after he tased a woman and a disabled man. I didn't get the the police chief was not able to take the action that his got in my got were telling us about that particular cop without me having the courage to put my name on a piece of paper that this guy should not be a cop.

I don't think that we as citizens need to flood internal affairs departments everytime we don't think we got a nice smile out of a cop or perhaps he was a little grouchy or surly but each and every time that you observe a small incident of a cop willing to ignore your civil rights you should pick up the phone and make a formal statement about that. My brother used to be in internal affairs sergeant and he took that job very seriously. He absolutely did not take consider that it was his job to cover for fellow officers or two sue incidents his job was judas passionately examine what happened review the body cam footage or recordings and make a recommendation as to weather some sort of counseling or discipline was called for. Sometimes people just don't like being arrested or ticketed, but more commonly, there's an actual problem that needs to be addressed.

I would not be surprised if more people have taken the time to escalate a complaint about poor treatment in a customer service setting, than have done so for corresponding events in their contact with law enforcement. Feedback matters, even on the relatively minor stuff. Hi get why most people would be hesitant to do so and would not have any confidence in the efficacy of such an effort, but it is the most effect that individual citizens can have. Voting for this politician or that that promises to change things or voting to establish civilian boards and so forth which I actually think our a somewhat decent idea that cops don't really like much are not nearly as important as having an idea in the department how a particular officer is being received in the community.

Not every less than professional cop needs to be fired tomorrow but their departments need to know early before Badcock end up promoted and causing the kind of culture that you see in some departments. It's easier to root that out when they're rookies then it is once they've gotten some seniority.

I don't think ascribing racism every single time an incident occurs with a black citizen and a white cop moves the needle in the direction that I think anyone of goodwill should agree it should go.

We are not without the benefit of data that can help us understand the places where problems in our entire criminal justice service are. There is no good way to correctly address the frequency of a particular type of occurrence without appearing to minimize how unacceptable as single incident is. Perspective is important as well as recognizing and acknowledging that one's prospective depends entirely upon where one stands.

TL;DR: addressing minor injustices is how you best avoid a cascade of failures that leads to catastrophic injustices. This idea works in business and industry which is why they use it. Even the police use it against crime in the so-called broken windows theory of policing.

Tl;dr.

 

[MartinHeidegger]

Renard, I know it's not intentional but you're a funny guy

He's a Lit GB institution.

Wait, did I say he's an institution? I meant to say, belongs in an institution.

 

[Conager]

Tl;dr.

Agreed.

Even my TL;DR summary was gettin' away from me there.

You see what happened was had several different angles on the event that I was mulling over during my 13 hour shift on the less-than-mean streets of Phoenix and I went a little crazy and got a 32 or Dr. Pepper. What I should have said. .. .

Oh wait.

Nevermind.

 

[Fermina_Daza]

Guilty of “accessory” and treason vs. guilty of murder.... or does not everyone get the same presumption of innocence?

 

[Ziggins]

Some of it is cabin fever. Next we have hurricane season getting an early start, and then the election riots.

 

[toeskr]

Renard, I know it's not intentional but you're a funny guy

So are you. Cute even. Who would have ever guessed that you, puk and kowboi skeeving it back to the fetish and ampics threads?

LAWLZ!

Such distinguished gb bois. You even get so dumbfounded, your intended response to a poster is too late for the post you want to respond to. End up looking retarded (puk word). Too funny.

 

[dolf]

On Facebook someone posted multiple links to areas of your country where the police had told protestors that they understood, picked up banners or taken a knee, and joined what became a peaceful parade supporting what should be American values.

In the words of a big dicked bodybuilder, "maybe they aren't all fucked up after all."

 

[cinnefille]

I do too, and most of the World is both horrified and touched by their predicament:
two lynchings in two weeks, most job losses and deaths during the pandemic.

But not the Black regulars on this Board (minus SeanR and LJ).

It's exhausting having to constantly kiss-ass Zumi and Rory, or chant "all Whites are inherently racist"
lest the two start feeling victim-ii, or some White GB SJWer starts racist-hunting you.

 

[toeskr]

On Facebook someone posted multiple links to areas of your country where the police had told protestors that they understood, picked up banners or taken a knee, and joined what became a peaceful parade supporting what should be American values.

In the words of a big dicked bodybuilder, "maybe they aren't all fucked up after all."

If you get your news from facebook, you really have no validation. If "you" pretend to even understand American values, you are delusional.

If you gain self worth from the smegma lickers that sweep in to your defense, you are no better than them.

The peaceful "protesters" lost credence when it switched from Floyd to burning and destroying the (their) neighborhoods and the ruining the hard fought gains of their brothers and sisters. The looters are all about "me ." Message lost, not delivered.

MLK is shaking his head in shame.

 

[wabbitfoot]

I'm trying to remember what the Tea Party was about. Seems to me if you wear one of those silly yellow shirts, you're all for his sort of citizen engagement.

did they riot?

did they loot?

did they harm others?

what the fuck is wrong with you?

ANTIFA desecrated World War 2 memorial in Washington DC tonight.

Any Questions?

 

[cinnefille]

If you get your news from facebook, you really have no validation. If "you" pretend to even understand American values, you are delusional.

If you gain self worth from the smegma lickers that sweep in to your defense, you are no better than them.

The peaceful "protesters" lost credence when it switched from Floyd to burning and destroying the (their) neighborhoods and the ruining the hard fought gains of their brothers and sisters. The looters are all about "me ." Message lost, not delivered.

MLK is shaking his head in shame.

I interpreted her post the opposite way: "See, not all Police are psychopaths as portrayed by the press. Most are good folks who want to fix the problems within their midst."

That's how most of the World sees things too:
US militarization of Police gave free reign to their 1% psychopaths, other countries keep them in check.

 

[wabbitfoot]

did they riot?

did they loot?

did they harm others?

what the fuck is wrong with you?

ANTIFA desecrated World War 2 memorial in Washington DC tonight.

Any Questions?

Wash DC last night

Did they leave this behind?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZSi9rX0AEIn6p?format=jpg&name=small