Why you can't have nice things.

[IrezumiKiss]

It appears to be a real shit show there — although I notice when a bunch of white folks showed up with their assault weapons to demonstrate against the Democratic governor, there was no sign of tear gas anywhere. Funny how that works.

And make no mistake, what happened last night was the result of mass poutrage by the police. It's the same thing we saw in Baltimore: "Oh, you all dare to criticize us? This is what you're gonna get."

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[Mal_Huevo]

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[Mal_Huevo]

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[cinnefille]

OMFG! Most shocking and funniest shit ever!!!

Check out 0.00 - 0.45, at 0.27 in particular.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxMuOe81yqM&t=6s

 

[bellisarius]

Yes, I might have jumped to conclusions, you're right.

But the videos of Ahmaud Arbery's and George Floyd's killings
sent a chill down my spine.
Just like the video uploaded 5? years ago of the guy chased by a police officer for not paying? custody or suspected of theft, who ended up being killed due to the officer's incompetence.

Two senseless killings in two weeks? Those guys weren't even suspected of murder or rape, just of minor infractions.
If I were Black, I would be angry too.

As an outsider, it looks like you guys are being confronted with two problems:

the disproportionately high crime rate (murder in particular) within the Black community.

and killings of Blacks by incompetent cops or vigilantes. And most of those killed were suspected of only minor infractions.

It may surprise you to know that just as many whites are killed by out of control cops as blacks. And the same goes for other senseless murders perpetrated on whites. Of course the difference there is that they're white and therefore it's a local matter not worthy of national coverage. Who's the racist? (or racialist as SC would say.)

But the fact STILL remains that the riots, etc. are the news now and not George Floyd. See how that works? See what's shaping public opinion now?

 

[FlowersForFun]

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Black privilege.
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The white experience....murdered in cold blood.
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See....anyone can make bullshit racist memes to further antagonize and inflame race relations.

 

[cinnefille]

Violence in black neighborhood has always been a problem but it has gotten much worse because of what is now known as the Ferguson affect. Police officers are afraid to stop Blacks for relatively minor offense is because they don't want to see it escalate and end up in a viral cell phone video. Let alone it in end of being a death.

They immediately make it about race because the officer was white.

Yes, I'm suspecting that might be true too.
There's a lot of anti-White thingy in this forum, and occasionally in some liberal newspapers, it probably permeated ther areas as well.

But at the same time you see the other extreme too, see below.

Cops do go hard with black suspects that resist because they are at much greater risk of being killed by a black suspect, even one only suspected of a minor crime than blacks are of being killed by excessive force. The person that most risk of death in a scaffold is the cop not the suspect. Cops know that.

It's entirely possible it had nothing to do with race. These two individuals knew each other and were employed part time as security by the same night club. There might be a wider story here.
Another thing, this officer had 17 complaints in his file as well.

No, that's not what I saw on news.

Yes indeed, mass media falsely claims that most cops who kill Black people are White, when in fact most are Hispanic.

But the people who died in a senseless manner were Black. AND they were not dangerous, being charged with minor offenses. There's no excuse for such aggressive dangerous gestures from cops.

Why don't I ever see them roughing up so carelessly a White person?
There's a clear subconscious bias.

 

[coati]

Black people all over this nation are flocking to the porn board at this time to learn from BellowSorryAss why they can't have nice things.

Laurel said the site may experience slow-downs due to so many people trying to access these words of wisdom from a leading Lit Deplorable.

 

[Mal_Huevo]

You cant have nice things because everything is made in china.

 

[cinnefille]

1. It may surprise you to know that just as many whites are killed by out of control cops as blacks. And the same goes for other senseless murders perpetrated on whites. Of course the difference there is that they're white and therefore it's a local matter not worthy of national coverage. Who's the racist? (or racialist as SC would say.)

2. But the fact STILL remains that the riots, etc. are the news now and not George Floyd. See how that works? See what's shaping public opinion now?

Mine are just an outsider's impressions drawn from news:

1. No, I have a strong sense that Blacks are proportionately more represented in murders by Cops.
Yes, maybe Liberal mass media emphasizes Black killings and de-emphasizes killings of Whites. But you Would hear of the latter from somewhere, a youtube video or on Fox News &. Which one doesn't.

2. Yup.
Personally, I've grown even more disgusted, since the Amy Cooper saga, with your Democratic press and politicians. They are deliberately fomenting animosity between races, for electoral purposes.

Republican press and politicians weren't great either, advocating against face masks& SD to win their base, but Democrats really took the cake.

Politicians back home are just as much of scum bags, but the difference is, the population doesn't trust any of them.

 

[cinnefille]

But the fact STILL remains that the riots, etc. are the news now and not George Floyd. See how that works? See what's shaping public opinion now?

Not sure what you're referring to.
How some devolved in looting, or how the Leftist press is using this protests?

 

[icanhelp1]

Mine are just an outsider's impressions drawn from news:

1. No, I have a strong sense that Blacks are proportionately more represented in murders by Cops.
Yes, maybe Liberal mass media emphasizes Black killings and de-emphasizes killings of Whites. But you Would hear of the latter from somewhere, a youtube video or on Fox News &. Which one doesn't.

2. Yup.
Personally, I've grown even more disgusted, since the Amy Cooper saga, with your Democratic press and politicians. They are deliberately fomenting animosity between races, for electoral purposes.

Republican press and politicians weren't great either, advocating against face masks& SD to win their base, but Democrats really took the cake.

Politicians back home are just as much of scum bags, but the difference is, the population doesn't trust any of them.

If I were a betting man I would venture to guess that these roving band of anarchist that go from city to city fomenting riots and anarchy is funded by the likes of George Soros. I believe the FBI is going to dig a lot deeper into this riot this time around. It's the same MO as Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlottesville and a whole host of others.

 

[FlowersForFun]

You cant have nice things because everything is made in china.

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[bellisarius]

Mine are just an outsider's impressions drawn from news:

1. No, I have a strong sense that Blacks are proportionately more represented in murders by Cops.
Yes, maybe Liberal mass media emphasizes Black killings and de-emphasizes killings of Whites. But you Would hear of the latter from somewhere, a youtube video or on Fox News &. Which one doesn't.

2. Yup.
Personally, I've grown even more disgusted, since the Amy Cooper saga, with your Democratic press and politicians. They are deliberately fomenting animosity between races, for electoral purposes.

Republican press and politicians weren't great either, advocating against face masks& SD to win their base, but Democrats really took the cake.

Politicians back home are just as much of scum bags, but the difference is, the population doesn't trust any of them.

1. As a percentage of criminal activity they are under represented. In the interest of "fairness" more blacks should be shot by police. But I don't think you see that as a solution any more than I do. Fact; blacks represent 13% of the population but they commit over 50% of ALL felonies save one category, rape. What that means is that over 50% of ALL police interactions with a criminal are going to involve a black citizen. (source FBI UCR)

2. What makes you think we do? Last I checked congressional approval ratings were lower than that of a used car salesman.

 

[cinnefille]

If I were a betting man I would venture to guess that these roving band of anarchist that go from city to city fomenting riots and anarchy is funded by the likes of George Soros. I believe the FBI is going to dig a lot deeper into this riot this time around. It's the same MO as Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlottesville and a whole host of others.

Quite possible.
--Indeed, While most African-Americans who are angry about the recent killings are appropriate
--you also see two groups of belligerents: the on-their own antisocials who loot and steal, and the coordinated ones..

But with what purpose would the latter group be organized /orchestrated?

Yes, you see the press portraying the destruction as just a symptom of anger over oppression finally boiling over,
But I bet that most laypeople are horrified, Blacks included.
Aren't they in fact sabotaging what started as a genuine social movement?

 

[bellisarius]

Quite possible.
--Indeed, While most African-Americans who are angry about the recent killings are appropriate
--you also see two groups of belligerents: the on-their own antisocials who loot and steal, and the coordinated ones..

But with what purpose would the latter group be organized /orchestrated?

Yes, you see the press portraying the destruction as just a symptom of anger over oppression finally boiling over,
But I bet that most laypeople are horrified, Blacks included.
Aren't they in fact sabotaging what started as a genuine social movement?

That is indeed the whole point of this thread.

 

[girlsmiley]

And you folks MUST realize that by trying to make excuses for such behavior you're encouraging more of the same.

All you need now is for someone to escalate it into a full-blown shoot out.

Oh wait.

 

[Conager]

1. As a percentage of criminal activity they are under represented. In the interest of "fairness" more blacks should be shot by police. But I don't think you see that as a solution any more than I do. Fact; blacks represent 13% of the population but they commit over 50% of ALL felonies save one category, rape. What that means is that over 50% of ALL police interactions with a criminal are going to involve a black citizen. (source FBI UCR)

2. What makes you think we do? Last I checked congressional approval ratings were lower than that of a used car salesman.

Actually it is far less than that. excluding black women yields less then 6.5%. Less than that because prison violence aside, a great number of black males with records for multiple, violent felonies are incarcerated at any given time. Most violent felonies are committed between prison stints. Excluding black males with no history of any crime at all winnows it down further.

It is a very small group, and that group are far more likely than average to resist arrest. Cops ate looking for signals of resistance. You saw that with the police videos for Aubrey, when he was not suspected of any specific call, but a cop on patrol was tasked with finding out why he was parked where he was. He had every right to be there although he had no right to drive the vehicle there since he had no license but a friendly exchange with the cop would have sent the cop on his way instead he became defensive. Some of that's cultural some of that because he's getting household along with all of the other black man who the police right Lee judge to be a threat because they are a threat.

There is profiling going on, and it is warranted as an initial screening tool. It should not be the only factor in a stop or a contact, and compliance should bit doesn't always result in the cop dialing it back a notch. Behavior is what is actually being profiled. Teaching black youth that cops that are trying to reduce violence in their violent neighborhoods are the enemy leads to the very sort of behaviors that get cops hyperalert and reactive.

These are destructive feedback loops in both the black community and cop culture. Turning every bad decision by an apparently bad cop into a cause for riots and vilifying law enforcement and everyone who is not black does not serve either community well.

 

[Conager]

It may surprise you to know that just as many whites are killed by out of control cops as blacks. And the same goes for other senseless murders perpetrated on whites. Of course the difference there is that they're white and therefore it's a local matter not worthy of national coverage. Who's the racist? (or racialist as SC would say.)

But the fact STILL remains that the riots, etc. are the news now and not George Floyd. See how that works? See what's shaping public opinion now?

Non-white cops are more likely to shoot than white cops as well. If the cop who had his knee on his neck had been black, we never would have heard about this incident. It wouldn't make it any better, we just wouldn't have heard about it.

Those that insist there is a problem of systemic racism wait months to years for another cause to celebrate, and do so before the shooting review board is complete, the. insist that this thing that they make a national story each and every time is happening routinely in between these national stories, when it absolutely is not in the least routine. It is man bites dog rare.

What should happen is national attention to any police misconduct without regard to the race of the cop or the victim. The problem is there is no national interest in anything that does not inflamed racial tension in cop training, abuse of power, and retention issues.

How often did the FOP go to bat for this particular guy in the past? What did those prior incidents look like? Was he an equal opportunity abuser or did he like to abused black people?

Floor enforcement tens to attract extremes. You get some really altruistic people and some really sociopathic people. The problem is avoiding the latter in hiring, the ability to quickly get rid of the problem cops, and the lack of tracking and decertification of the bad ones.

 

[KimGordon67]

I watched the video's of the George Floyd incident and from my perspective the community has every right to be outraged. Protests and demonstrations are certainly called for in this instance.

When those protests cross the line into rioting, looting, arson, and personal injury a line has been crossed. Those acts are as uncalled for as the treatment of Floyd that led to his death. Unfotunately we see this behavior time after time. These riots are not a "one of" event, they have become the order of the day. And unfortunately this has become the face of the American black community. This is seen as typical behavior which leads to stereotyping. I know that the entire black community isn't involved in these behaviors and that it's unfair to paint the entire community with that broad brush, but when that behavior is exhibited time after time after time the community had better realize that that has become the "face of the community."

The effected business establishments are going to pack up the vans with the remaining stock and throw the keys in the door as they turn out the lights and leave, never to return. The community will be left to clean up the wreckage with little hope of a brighter future. Those in the black community that didn't participate but sympathized with the rioters are just as guilty. And those that disagreed but did nothing are part of the problem too. As atrocious as the action of those police officers were there is nothing that can justify the destruction of property and the perpetration of personal injury of businesses and individuals that had nothing to do with those police actions.

Nor can the excuse of those acts being perpetrated by outside agitators be allowed. The community could have stopped those people had they really wanted to, obviously they didn't. Until such time that the black community comes together and stops these behaviors they will continue.

And that's why the black community will never have nice things.

I'm sure 'the black community' really appreciate you enlightening them as to the right and proper way to protest, which is obviously based on your many years of being part of a marginalised population, and your clear expertise in fomenting successful civil rights actions.
You should write a book!

 

[Conager]

I'm sure 'the black community' really appreciate you enlightening them as to the right and proper way to protest, which is obviously based on your many years of being part of a marginalised population, and your clear expertise in fomenting successful civil rights actions.
You should write a book!

You have to be black to notice counter-productive behavior?

What is it specifically about being black that would make a human being not want to live in a safe neighborhood with good, mutually respectful appreciation between law enforcement and the citizens they serve? What is it about being black that would make living in a burned out neighborhood preferable to living in a neighborhood with nearby shopping and employment opportunities?

If I am feeling oppressed by my city, the last thing I'm going to do it burn down my own house to display my contempt for them.

Keep in mind they voted for the mayor who appointed the police chief who trains and supervises these officers. They voted for the district attorney who will charge and prosecute, or not, and they are not waiting to see which happens.

This is not like the days of Jim Crowe when blacks were prevented from voting so that they could not get rid of their Democrat overseers. They voted for these Democrats.

Being marginalized by whom? The youngest of the rioters had a black president for half their lives. The poverty and crime they grew up.in was a function of their parent's choices and theirs since they came of age. White people aren't roaming the hood burning crosses and vandalizing homes and businesses. Their leaders are either black or have the backing of the black community or they dont get elected. Ditto for schools, fire, and city services from trash collection to law enforcement.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I'm sure 'the black community' really appreciate you enlightening them as to the right and proper way to protest, which is obviously based on your many years of being part of a marginalised population, and your clear expertise in fomenting successful civil rights actions.
You should write a book!

He should! But the world of book publishing is a nefariously slow and tedious grind.

If only there was a faster way — an instant electronic way, even — for Ish to get his griot-style wisdom of the ages out to those poor downtrodden Negroes who can't ever have nice things, if they could only read his words, absorb his intelligence, soak in his sagacity, then they could change their circumstances, perhaps even overnight! Then they could have the nice things that were only ken to those celestial Caucasians!

alas...it is only us here in this small space of the universe whose eyes are privy to his brain's fecundity. Without other more accessible avenues to disseminate his grandeur, when he goes gently into that night — nay, when we go gently into that night — the life preserver for the American Black will be lost to time, for all eternity.

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[bellisarius]

I'm sure 'the black community' really appreciate you enlightening them as to the right and proper way to protest, which is obviously based on your many years of being part of a marginalised population, and your clear expertise in fomenting successful civil rights actions.
You should write a book!

Your snark aside, far more notable people, both within and outside the black community, have been saying the same thing I did for decades now to no good effect.

No stable family life, crappy schools, gang dominated streets. It's a wonder that anyone escapes those communities but against all odds some do and not through professional sports but by actually applying themselves to education.

 

[KimGordon67]

You have to be black to notice counter-productive behavior?

What is it specifically about being black that would make a human being not want to live in a safe neighborhood with good, mutually respectful appreciation between law enforcement and the citizens they serve? What is it about being black that would make living in a burned out neighborhood preferable to living in a neighborhood with nearby shopping and employment opportunities?

If I am feeling oppressed by my city, the last thing I'm going to do it burn down my own house to display my contempt for them.

Keep in mind they voted for the mayor who appointed the police chief who trains and supervises these officers. They voted for the district attorney who will charge and prosecute, or not, and they are not waiting to see which happens.

This is not like the days of Jim Crowe when blacks were prevented from voting so that they could not get rid of their Democrat overseers. They voted for these Democrats.

Um ... isn't that sort of the point?

And seriously, when was the last time you 'felt oppressed' by anything. (Like, actually and systematically oppressed, not just mildly inconvenienced.) How the actual fuck would you know how you would react if you were in that situation? How would you know what you would do if your entire community, everyone you cared about, was in that situation, and had been for generations?

Also, this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

 

[Mal_Huevo]

Quite possible.
--Indeed, While most African-Americans who are angry about the recent killings are appropriate
--you also see two groups of belligerents: the on-their own antisocials who loot and steal, and the coordinated ones..

But with what purpose would the latter group be organized /orchestrated?

Yes, you see the press portraying the destruction as just a symptom of anger over oppression finally boiling over,
But I bet that most laypeople are horrified, Blacks included.
Aren't they in fact sabotaging what started as a genuine social movement?

Cinnegav is concern trolling...