A question for constitutional scholars

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Since it has become clear that a POTUS can be "impeached" without proof of any crime what does the constitution indicated regarding a member of the house or senate? In particular I am wondering if someone like Adam Shit can be forced out of office because of his involvement with lies that were used to try and overthrow the POTUS.

Also, what would it take to prove legally that a member of congress was guilty of treason for trying to overthrow the POTUS. Would such an act of treason qualify for capital punishment under the constitution?

Also, if former president Barack Obama is proven to have been part of the treason could he be executed?

I am not advocating their execution. I am just curious if in this case or any future cases like this if capital punishment would be a legal remedy.

 

[bestone4ever]

There are no constitutional scholars here.
Why put IMPEACHED in parenthesis? Trump will forever be IMPEACHED.

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

No scholars here.

There are no constitutional scholars here.
Why put IMPEACHED in parenthesis? Trump will forever be IMPEACHED.

You may be right. "Here" appears to be a realm where parenthesis and quotation marks are equal. Like 2 plus 2 equals 5 in the novel 1984.

 

[SusanHaack]

who the fuck cares



STFU

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Maybe you would care if...

who the fuck cares



STFU

Maybe you would care if the government lied and cheated and mislead in an effort to destroy your life. This is not a right or left issue. If the government can do something like this to a POTUS what can they do to you?

Think about who it is that is telling you to go back to sleep and that this is no big deal? Are they not the very "news" outlets that worked with the swamp creatures to overthrow the POTUS?

 

[SusanHaack]

Maybe you would care if the government lied and cheated and mislead in an effort to destroy your life. This is not a right or left issue. If the government can do something like this to a POTUS what can they do to you?

Think about who it is that is telling you to go back to sleep and that this is no big deal? Are they not the very "news" outlets that worked with the swamp creatures to overthrow the POTUS?

Ya, that's your problem not mine. Isn't Capitalism great? USA! USA!

 

[bellisarius]

Since it has become clear that a POTUS can be "impeached" without proof of any crime what does the constitution indicated regarding a member of the house or senate? In particular I am wondering if someone like Adam Shit can be forced out of office because of his involvement with lies that were used to try and overthrow the POTUS.

Also, what would it take to prove legally that a member of congress was guilty of treason for trying to overthrow the POTUS. Would such an act of treason qualify for capital punishment under the constitution?

Also, if former president Barack Obama is proven to have been part of the treason could he be executed?

I am not advocating their execution. I am just curious if in this case or any future cases like this if capital punishment would be a legal remedy.

The constitution does have an expulsion clause, Article 1, Section 5. A 2/3 rds super majority is required for expulsion so there's no way in hell Schiff is going to be expelled. It has been used 5 times.

 

[jp55665566]

One flaw in your analysis ignores the fact that President Trump IS a Russian agent. Certainly the CIA/NSA/FBI cannot all be wrong when they collectively assert, along with all the other "19 Intelligence services" that Donald Trump colluded with Russia to subvert the natural outcome of the 2016 Presidential election.

Just the other day, I saw on Chuck Todd's news, Russia lackey Attorney General Barrski's cynical announcement that "history is written by the winners". Clearly, Vladimir Putin is controlling everything this White House does.

 

[God_Above]

I guess I undercooked little weenie's brain.

 

[bellisarius]

One flaw in your analysis ignores the fact that President Trump IS a Russian agent. Certainly the CIA/NSA/FBI cannot all be wrong when they collectively assert, along with all the other "19 Intelligence services" that Donald Trump colluded with Russia to subvert the natural outcome of the 2016 Presidential election.

Just the other day, I saw on Chuck Todd's news, Russia lackey Attorney General Barrski's cynical announcement that "history is written by the winners". Clearly, Vladimir Putin is controlling everything this White House does.

Everything you wrote there is bullshit. Do some research.

 

[NemoNautilus]

“Impeachment” is merely the rebuttal of the executive immunity from prosecution in state or federal courts that the President has. It is a procedural mechanism, not a substantive finding one way or the other as to the underlying facts. “Articles of Impeachment” are the equivalent of a grand jury indictment in regular state/federal courts.

 

[jp55665566]

Everything you wrote there is bullshit. Do some research.

What research is needed? The most trusted news sources in the USA have explained Trump's treacherous perfidy, vis-a-vis Russian collusion, every night for the past several years; weren't you paying attention?

 

[bestone4ever]

Everything you wrote there is bullshit. Do some research.

He's a retarded conservaturd. Yes, it's redundant but still true.

 

[spacekowboy]

Maybe you would care if the government lied and cheated and mislead in an effort to destroy your life. This is not a right or left issue. If the government can do something like this to a POTUS what can they do to you?

Think about who it is that is telling you to go back to sleep and that this is no big deal? Are they not the very "news" outlets that worked with the swamp creatures to overthrow the POTUS?

Tell your wife I said hello, Miles.

 

[bellisarius]

What research is needed? The most trusted news sources in the USA have explained Trump's treacherous perfidy, vis-a-vis Russian collusion, every night for the past several years; weren't you paying attention?

Not a single US intelligence agency concluded, reported, or testified that Trump colluded with ANY foreign power. Not a single one.

17 Agencies concurred with the Cloud Strike report that Russia hacked the DNC server. None of them actually examined the server. And now we find out that the testimony from Cloud Strike is that they found evidence that Russia MIGHT have hacked the server. Conjecture was reported as fact.

BTW, no news sources are trusted anymore.

 

[hogjack]

A question for constitutional scholars...

...or someone in this thread.

 

[Wrong Element]

Username seems like false advertising.

 

[Rightguide]

Since it has become clear that a POTUS can be "impeached" without proof of any crime what does the constitution indicated regarding a member of the house or senate? In particular I am wondering if someone like Adam Shit can be forced out of office because of his involvement with lies that were used to try and overthrow the POTUS.

Also, what would it take to prove legally that a member of congress was guilty of treason for trying to overthrow the POTUS. Would such an act of treason qualify for capital punishment under the constitution?

Also, if former president Barack Obama is proven to have been part of the treason could he be executed?

I am not advocating their execution. I am just curious if in this case or any future cases like this if capital punishment would be a legal remedy.

Treason isn't the answer as it only has one meaning legally in the United States as it is defined in the Constitution in Article III section 3 it involves making war against the United States.

Schiff has immunity for what he says on the floor of the congress, but he isn't protected for what he says outside of Congress. He can be arrested and prosecuted for any violation of the criminal code, such as Sedition as well as Conspiracy under 18 USC 371 which is defined on the DOJ website thus:

"The statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government . . . (A)ny conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation."

"The general purpose of this part of the statute is to protect governmental functions from frustration and distortion through deceptive practices. Section 371 reaches "any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of Government." Tanner v. United States, 483 U.S. 107, 128 (1987); see Dennis v. United States, 384 U.S. 855 (1966). The "defraud part of section 371 criminalizes any willful impairment of a legitimate function of government, whether or not the improper acts or objective are criminal under another statute." United States v. Tuohey, 867 F.2d 534, 537 (9th Cir. 1989)."

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us

 

[jp55665566]

Not a single US intelligence agency concluded, reported, or testified that Trump colluded with ANY foreign power. Not a single one.

17 Agencies concurred with the Cloud Strike report that Russia hacked the DNC server. None of them actually examined the server. And now we find out that the testimony from Cloud Strike is that they found evidence that Russia MIGHT have hacked the server. Conjecture was reported as fact.

BTW, no news sources are trusted anymore.

But... the Director(s) of the FBI/CIA/NSA all asserted on National television news programs that Trump was an "asset" of Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin, and that Trump colluded with the Russians to subvert the electoral process. Surely, you are not suggesting those leaders of our most trusted Intelligence services were wrong?

 

[SimonDoom]

Since it has become clear that a POTUS can be "impeached" without proof of any crime what does the constitution indicated regarding a member of the house or senate? In particular I am wondering if someone like Adam Shit can be forced out of office because of his involvement with lies that were used to try and overthrow the POTUS.

Also, what would it take to prove legally that a member of congress was guilty of treason for trying to overthrow the POTUS. Would such an act of treason qualify for capital punishment under the constitution?

Also, if former president Barack Obama is proven to have been part of the treason could he be executed?

I am not advocating their execution. I am just curious if in this case or any future cases like this if capital punishment would be a legal remedy.

1. A member of the House or Senate can be removed from that body by a 2/3 vote of the body under Article 1, section 5, clause 2 of the US Constitution. There is no impeachment procedure. There is no federal law against being "involved with lies that were used to try and overthrow the POTUS." That's not a crime.

2. It would be impossible to prove that a member of congress was guilty of treason for trying to overthrow the POTUS. It is not treason and not a crime of any kind to try to remove the President from office, unless, I suppose, one used violence, or tried to bribe an officer, or did something like that. Treason is a very specific crime that means giving aid and comfort to an enemy in wartime. Nobody has been convicted of treason for decades and decades. When people talk about Schiff and Obama being guilty of treason they have no idea what they are talking about.

3. It would be impossible to show that Barack Obama was guilty of treason even if it were shown by strong evidence that he was part of some scheme to remove Trump. There's nothing illegal about that, and it certainly is not treason or any capital offense. Since he hasn't been in office he couldn't be impeached. Nobody to my knowledge has made allegations that constitute a viable crime.

 

[bellisarius]

But... the Director(s) of the FBI/CIA/NSA all asserted on National television news programs that Trump was an "asset" of Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin, and that Trump colluded with the Russians to subvert the electoral process. Surely, you are not suggesting those leaders of our most trusted Intelligence services were wrong?

Yup, they lied through their teeth to the American public. Go figure.

 

[Conager]

Yup, they lied through their teeth to the American public. Go figure.

Interestingly, they mostly told the truth under oath when testifying in secret.

It shows that they believe there is a modest amount of peril to what they did.

 

[jp55665566]

Yup, they lied through their teeth to the American public. Go figure.

Wait a second... You cannot seriously believe that the FBI/CIA/NSA were using the National news media to promote a fairy-tale about Trump colluding with the Russians, do you?

That would mean that Comey/Brennan/Clapper are guilty of seditious treason, and that's just some kind of DeepState conspiracy theory; isn't it?

 

[bellisarius]

Interestingly, they mostly told the truth under oath when testifying in secret.

It shows that they believe there is a modest amount of peril to what they did.

No kidding. I suppose Schiff told them that the transcripts would never see the light of day and they were stupid enough to trust him.

When liars congregate. *chuckle*

 

[Comshaw]

(snip)
When liars congregate. *chuckle*

As of December 2019

The Number Of Lies Donald Trump Has Now Told In Office Is Mind-Boggling

Trump as of Dec. 10 had told 15,413 untruths during his presidency, The Washington Post’s Fact Checker column reported on Monday.

That’s an average of 14.6 lies for each of his 1,055 days in office.

Trump made 1,999 false claims in 2017 and 5,689 in 2018 — a total of 7,688, the newspaper reported. He’s ramped up the untruths in 2019, however, hitting 7,725 falsehoods with three weeks still to go in the year.


Yea, you don't need help when you are so proficient at it.

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