Why have Republicans stopped bragging about the stock market?

[HisArpy]

While I and Arpy tend to disagree on most areas, I do agree in most part with him on the stock market.

Historically the market has always recovered from these situations. How it's recovered and what the winners and losers were is different, but it still recovered.

I follow simple rules in my investments, first I only invest in what I can afford to lose, second, I never track it daily or monthly, I have an investor who gets paid for doing that.

I just check out the year over year results.


Is right now a good time to investing? I don't know? Am I just throwing away that money? Maybe, but what else should I do with it? If the economy fails, the bills are not even good for TP since they have more plastic in them now than cloth and paper....

At some point between now and 18 months out, the world will have adjusted one way or the other to COVID-19 epidemic. Is it a vaccine and a return to a similar economic model as in the past. Or will it be some kind of modified system who knows, but I am confidant that the situation that we are in now will be over in 2022, if not earlier.

Most one-to-one financial investment advisors won't touch an investment account less than 250K. The brokerage houses like Schwab, E trade, and the rest will give you some guidance, but small time investors are mostly left to fend for themselves.

That makes it tough and why most financial people tell small investors (like me) to invest in mutual funds. It's a way to start investing, but mutual funds shouldn't be the only way you invest. That's why people need to take an investment risk analysis test.

I think the CV19 crisis will be over and gone by this fall. We'll know the damage and what works to help fight it so that next winter we'll be ready for it's resurgence. We'll figure out a way to still be able to keep the lights on even in the face of that. Because a 3 month shutdown every spring isn't a viable option.

 

[Botanical11B]

ME = Did not lose a penny in the almost 30% equity bath

Neither did anyone else who didn't cash out.

Equity =/= cash money.

ME = Knows there’s a time to hold ‘em and a time to fold ‘em

Yes.....there's also a time to ante the fuck up, and that time is coming very soon here.

Unless you're fucking retarded enough to think the markets will NEVER recover and no more money will ever be made in the USA ever again.....like coati apparently.

 

[HisArpy]

ME = Did not lose a penny in the almost 30% equity bath

ME = Doing quite nicely in the bond market

ME = Keeps cash in a preferred money market fund that pays a smallish return but way more than 1/10th%

ME = Not telling anyone to do what I do or to do what your “experts” say

ME = Knows there’s a time to hold ‘em and a time to fold ‘em

Bonds took a serious hit starting last fall. Yields are DOWN. Not a great investment choice and hasn't been for about 8 months.

A 1.7% CD or MM acct isn't even going to help with offsetting inflation later this year.

The rest of what you posted is self-absorbed bullshit based in denial of reality.

 

[Botanical11B]

Snap up all those stock market bargains now, while the gettin' is good. What goes down must go up.

Stock market growth is God-- it's infinite and goes on forever.

Don't delay, experts are beckoning!

Come out and say it directly Coati, you never think money will be made again and the markets are dead FOREVER.

If you can't then you're wrong......and deplorables are right.

 

[HisArpy]

Snap up all those stock market bargains now, while the gettin' is good. What goes down must go up.

Stock market growth is God-- it's infinite and goes on forever.

Don't delay, experts are beckoning!

Rah rah rah...

 

[Adre]

Bonds took a serious hit starting last fall. Yields are DOWN. Not a great investment choice and hasn't been for about 8 months.

A 1.7% CD or MM acct isn't even going to help with offsetting inflation later this year.

The rest of what you posted is self-absorbed bullshit based in denial of reality.

Like many poseurs, you don’t understand the bond market. When yields are down it’s because prices are up. I’m done with you on this, you’re too uninformed to play.

One hint for you: the values of my bond funds are UP.

 

[HisArpy]

Like many poseurs, you don’t understand the bond market. When yields are down it’s because prices are up. I’m done with you on this, you’re too uninformed to play.

One hint for you: the values of my bond funds are UP.

This is nothing but a shallow, uninformed, off the top of the first google return you could find, statement.

Yield is the return you should expect to receive on your investment. Yes, if it costs more to buy in the return on your investment will be lower.

That doesn't mean that those who already bought in get to keep a higher yield because treasury notes are subject to being called. And the Fed has been fairly active in recalling notes with higher yields and issuing lower yield notes.

Muni and corporate bonds are higher risk and aren't necessarily a good investment strategy for beginners with limited assets.

BTW, the market value of bond FUNDS includes the increase in the share price. It has NOTHING to do with the yield of the bonds the fund holds.

I think I remember reading recently that current yields of T Bills is something like .77%.

 

[coati]

Come out and say it directly Coati, you never think money will be made again and the markets are dead FOREVER.

If you can't then you're wrong......and deplorables are right.

I'm making more money than ever, right now. So are my skilled neighbors. Most of the city fools have zero practical skills and no tools, so I am free to choose among a huge pool of them who I will take on as clients. Lately I choose the situations that don't involve dealing with assholes who want to get within 6 feet of my person.

The market for essential goods and services is actually doing pretty well right now. It's all the non-essential crap that's taking the big hit, and that was a big part of our national economy.

C'mon, BoBo, snap up those stock market bargains so you can buy more of your own personal war toys. Put your money where your mouth is. Derpy is citing "experts"!

 

[HisArpy]

I'm making more money than ever, right now. So are my skilled neighbors. Most of the city fools have zero practical skills and no tools, so I am free to choose among a huge pool of them who I will take on as clients. Lately I choose the situations that don't involve dealing with assholes who want to get within 6 feet of my person.

The market for essential goods and services is actually doing pretty well right now. It's all the non-essential crap that's taking the big hit, and that was a big part of our national economy.

C'mon, BoBo, snap up those stock market bargains so you can buy more of your own personal war toys. Put your money where your mouth is. Derpy is citing "experts"!

That's right, I AM "citing experts". People can make up their own minds and choose to either follow that advice or not.

What I'm not doing is advocating following the investment advice of someone who thinks selling his produce at the local farmers market is 'big agri-biz".

 

[Adre]

This is nothing but a shallow, uninformed, off the top of the first google return you could find, statement.

Yield is the return you should expect to receive on your investment. Yes, if it costs more to buy in the return on your investment will be lower.

That doesn't mean that those who already bought in get to keep a higher yield because treasury notes are subject to being called. And the Fed has been fairly active in recalling notes with higher yields and issuing lower yield notes.

Muni and corporate bonds are higher risk and aren't necessarily a good investment strategy for beginners with limited assets.

BTW, the market value of bond FUNDS includes the increase in the share price. It has NOTHING to do with the yield of the bonds the fund holds.

I think I remember reading recently that current yields of T Bills is something like .77%.

Thanks for all that. Been active in the bond market for forty years. I don’t need Google to make money. And most of what you just learned by Googling had nothing to do with my point, poseur.

 

[Dribble]

While I and Arpy tend to disagree on most areas, I do agree in most part with him on the stock market.

Historically the market has always recovered from these situations. How it's recovered and what the winners and losers were is different, but it still recovered.

I follow simple rules in my investments, first I only invest in what I can afford to lose, second, I never track it daily or monthly, I have an investor who gets paid for doing that.

I just check out the year over year results.


Is right now a good time to investing? I don't know? Am I just throwing away that money? Maybe, but what else should I do with it? If the economy fails, the bills are not even good for TP since they have more plastic in them now than cloth and paper....

At some point between now and 18 months out, the world will have adjusted one way or the other to COVID-19 epidemic. Is it a vaccine and a return to a similar economic model as in the past. Or will it be some kind of modified system who knows, but I am confidant that the situation that we are in now will be over in 2022, if not earlier.

How?

As long as the Govt keeps pumping in money to a bleeding wound? This is not " most" situations. The market has been over-valued for a long time. Why Dribble do you say that? What fucking orders? There is no robust economy...ask those in the know...before this virus bullshit, were your orders up or down from the previous year? Then ask, did you see this changing over the next year? Why would stocks not reflect this? Because the Govt faked it by cutting interest rates to zero...now what can they do to keep the illusion going? Pump in trillions EVERY WEEK? Who is going to pay for this?

The market will reflect where the money is being directed. Sooner or later, you are going to have to pay for this fakery. You all been scammed and you want to pretend it isnt true.

 

[coati]

That's right, I AM "citing experts". People can make up their own minds and choose to either follow that advice or not.

What I'm not doing is advocating following the investment advice of someone who thinks selling his produce at the local farmers market is 'big agri-biz".

You have no clue about my range of business interests, nor about the concept of economic sustainability.

But go ahead and keep promoting the idea that by "Q3-Q4" of this year we will return to the days when a centralized stock market can be puffed out with non-essential crap and a flood of investors who want to treat the market as if it is a perpetual high-yield savings account.

Maybe by citing "experts" you can get others to snatch up all those bargains from a market that you say has surely already hit bottom.

 

[Adre]

Bill Gross, The Bond King:


“He became a bond manager almost by accident, getting a job in the fixed-income department of Pacific Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Los Angeles in 1971, where he was assigned to a new program that actively traded bonds. It was there he developed his total return strategy that generated income from both bond coupons and prices.”


Coupons and prices. Note the AND, Derpy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

How?

As long as the Govt keeps pumping in money to a bleeding wound? This is not " most" situations. The market has been over-valued for a long time. Why Dribble do you say that? What fucking orders? There is no robust economy...ask those in the know...before this virus bullshit, were your orders up or down from the previous year? Then ask, did you see this changing over the next year? Why would stocks not reflect this? Because the Govt faked it by cutting interest rates to zero...now what can they do to keep the illusion going? Pump in trillions EVERY WEEK? Who is going to pay for this?

The market will reflect where the money is being directed. Sooner or later, you are going to have to pay for this fakery. You all been scammed and you want to pretend it isnt true.

There is more than one "stock market" (exchanges). You may be referring to the NYSE, or the NASDAQ, or S&P 500 etc, I am not. Since I am Canadian I am in the TSE and the TX-60, while I do have some equity in other markets the vast majority of my holdings are not in the US based exchanges.

 

[Botanical11B]

I'm making more money than ever, right now.
The market for essential goods and services is actually doing pretty well right now.

Oh.....so you understand that Covid is not the end of the economy as it's been understood for the last century or so??

You do seem to get that despite taking a hit, life will once again go on??

It's all the non-essential crap that's taking the big hit, and that was a big part of our national economy.

And do you think ANY of those markets will ever prosper again??

C'mon, BoBo, snap up those stock market bargains so you can buy more of your own personal war toys. Put your money where your mouth is. Derpy is citing "experts"!

I have and plan to do more.

Do you or do you not think any companies who have fallen in the markets lately will recover, grow or possibly even boom post pandemic??? Really simple question.

 

[coati]

Do you or do you not think any companies who have fallen in the markets lately will recover, grow or possibly even boom post pandemic??? Really simple question.

Really simple answer:

Some will, but many will not, and the market as a whole will almost certainly not recover by the timetable Derpy keeps citing.

To use the jargon that Derpy invokes to make himself appear to be a market wizard, "let's talk again in Q3-Q4".

 

[HisArpy]

Bill Gross, The Bond King:


“He became a bond manager almost by accident, getting a job in the fixed-income department of Pacific Mutual Life Insurance Co. in Los Angeles in 1971, where he was assigned to a new program that actively traded bonds. It was there he developed his total return strategy that generated income from both bond coupons and prices.”


Coupons and prices. Note the AND, Derpy.

You are doing nothing more than grasping at straws now.

You don't agree with experts who project a rising Q3 & 4, that's fine. But, to belabor what you believe for yourself into some kind of overall economic/financial rationale for everyone else is just ridiculous.

Go back to your potatoes.

 

[Adre]

You are doing nothing more than grasping at straws now.

You don't agree with experts who project a rising Q3 & 4, that's fine. But, to belabor what you believe for yourself into some kind of overall economic/financial rationale for everyone else is just ridiculous.

Go back to your potatoes.

I’ve made no recommendations for anyone, unlike you. And I’ve made no predictions based on insufficient data, knowledge, or evidence.

 

[Botanical11B]

Really simple answer:

Some will, but many will not,

YES.....some will, some wont.

Others we don't even know about right now are going to make big headway in some of the vacuums left by dead giants.

and the market as a whole will almost certainly not recover by the timetable Derpy keeps citing.

Not recover but will stop crashing out and start to recover.....a riskier but also killer time to invest.

And maybe not as fast as he's saying, but it's pretty far from unreasonable to say that by the end of the year the economic recovery will have started.

Meaning sometime in the next 12~ish months there is likely to be some amazing investment opportunities we'll likely not see again anytime soon.

To use the jargon that Derpy invokes to make himself appear to be a market wizard, "let's talk again in Q3-Q4".

The end of this year is just the start, figuring out where you want to invest.

The good conversation is going to be in 2025 to 2030.

It will be framed something like this "But income inequality!!! WAHHHH!!! It's not FAIR!!!"

 

[HisArpy]

I’ve made no recommendations for anyone, unlike you. And I’ve made no predictions based on insufficient data, knowledge, or evidence.

So, you're entire pogrom here is about me quoting someone saying that investment opportunities are coming?

That's so laughable it's not even funny.

 

[Botanical11B]

So, you're entire pogrom here is about me quoting someone saying that investment opportunities are coming?

That's so laughable it's not even funny.

The orange man bad narrative says this is the end of the world though, because Orange Man BAD damn it!!

Just ask Adre, there will never be another profitable company again, EVER! And it's all Orange Hitlers fault.

If you think there will be any recovery that's because you don't know how evil Orange Man is and probably support him meaning you're bad too!!


Still trips me out he claims to not have a problem with people making money, but he supports Democrats, who are actively trying to end such horrible things because they think it's terrible.

 

[coati]

So, you're entire pogrom here is about me quoting someone saying that investment opportunities are coming?

That's so laughable it's not even funny.

Nahhh, prior to this ^^^ back-stepping, that's not what you said.

What's laughable is you stating so authoritatively that we have already hit bottom and it's all up from here, with GDP increases becoming apparent in the second quarter and marked overall recovery in the third and fourth quarters.

We are in the second quarter, so it won't take long to confirm those GDP increases, and it won't take too long to determine if we've already hit bottom.

Look forward to talking again in "Q4", Mr. Market Wizard. Now is the time for you to snap up those stock market bargains, cuz you've got inside information on when the public health and employment issues will be resolved.

 

[Adre]

So, you're entire pogrom here is about me quoting someone saying that investment opportunities are coming?

That's so laughable it's not even funny.

You were very specific about the third quarter rocket ship. Just like your President. The goalposts are moving before my eyes.

If you had said there are probably investment opportunities in the future, you would have never heard a word from me. Are you paying BoBo to cheer you on or is he just displaying his usual verbal diarrhea?

 

[Botanical11B]

What's laughable is you stating so authoritatively that we have already hit bottom and it's all up from here,

Where did he state that???

From what I saw that's what YOU have been reading into and ascribing anyone who doesn't think all economic activity is over with and never coming back.

 

[Botanical11B]

Are you paying BoBo to cheer you on or is he just displaying his usual verbal diarrhea?

Says the guy who can't explain why he claims to not have a problem with people making money.

But supports Democrats who've largely adopted an anti-commerce socialist platform.

LOL...at least it's not emotional diarrhea like you.