What do you call an aircraft carrier captain concerned for the safety of his crew?

[dolf]

I feel for him, he had the welfare of his men at heart, but...

Dear Russia, China, Iraq, etc.

My expensive, heavily armed ship is a sitting duck. Have at us!

Regards,

Panic Captain

 

[sygn]

"Crozier's letter "unnecessarily" caused panic among the sailors and their families, and raised doubts about the ship's operational capability."

Bullshit. He wasn't an idiot, he was a seasoned professional who must have considered all the possible implications.
His superiors were probably too slow to act, and 200 +ves in a packed ship.....

 

[Cl3v3rG1rl69]

It's been reported that live virus was found on the surfaces of one of the corona cruise ships 17 days after it was evacuated. Some viruses are tougher than others.

It's really not worth the risk.

How did they find this live virus, you ask?

https://wallsheaven.com/photos/D41202283/400/woman-looking-through-a-giant-magnifying-glass.jpg

 

[JohnnySavage]

I feel for him, he had the welfare of his men at heart, but...

Dear Russia, China, Iraq, etc.

My expensive, heavily armed ship is a sitting duck. Have at us!

Regards,

Panic Captain

As always, the Dolf is exactly right. Some things are best done in private.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Ten percent of ALL military Covid-19 cases....this includes ALL branches of the military...are aboard this one aircraft carrier.

.....and the Secretary of the Navy basically said "Sux to be you. Deal with it. Hail Trump!"

Garon-damn-tee you if this had happened under Obama's administration, AJ would be talking out of the other side of his mouth.

Why? Because #SituationalRedManSpeakWithForkedTongue

But hai, when life deals you lemons, make lemonade. We've lost an aircraft carrier, but gained a new weapon, a biological weapon....a plague ship!

 

[Adre]

What is more important to the military than the chain of command?

Soldiers and sailors who are alive.

 

[Adre]

It's been reported that live virus was found on the surfaces of one of the corona cruise ships 17 days after it was evacuated. Some viruses are tougher than others.

It's really not worth the risk.

Excuse me, but you’re talking to the GB expert on everything.

 

[icanhelp1]

"Crozier's letter "unnecessarily" caused panic among the sailors and their families, and raised doubts about the ship's operational capability."

Bullshit. He wasn't an idiot, he was a seasoned professional who must have considered all the possible implications.
His superiors were probably too slow to act, and 200 +ves in a packed ship.....

The chain of command is critical on board ship ( actually any mil ops ). A nuclear carrier is dependent on organic defense capabilities to protect itself, it's not just about offensive ability. A carrier is one the most dangerous environments to operate in, second to only CQC in an urban setting ( my opinion ). The Captain has to be mission focused first and his soldiers need to keep their head in the game. The wellbeing of his soldiers are important and that could have been addressed better by following the chain of command. Even if soldiers are sick self defense, perimeter security and "comsec" don't play second fiddle, you can't stand down till ordered to stand down.

There is much speculation.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ten percent of ALL military Covid-19 cases....this includes ALL branches of the military...are aboard this one aircraft carrier.

.....and the Secretary of the Navy basically said "Sux to be you. Deal with it. Hail Trump!"

Garon-damn-tee you if this had happened under Obama's administration, AJ would be talking out of the other side of his mouth.

Why? Because #SituationalRedManSpeakWithForkedTongue

But hai, when life deals you lemons, make lemonade. We've lost an aircraft carrier, but gained a new weapon, a biological weapon....a plague ship!

More lies by Robby. Look who's bringing up Obama! Can't keep politics out of anything, more *ORANGE MAN BAD* That's all you have!

 

[Dribble]

Soldiers and sailors who are alive.

I disagree. You are expendable if you join the military. Although I can admire his ethics, they have no place in the military. If I say, charge up that hill...knowing 99 out of 100 will die, you will charge up that hill...because that is what you signed up for. He was 100% wrong in what he did. I dont give a fuck if his entire ship is exposed, which it is, and many of they die. They are not civilians.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Navy's statement on the matter

 

[SpeareChucker]

"Crozier's letter "unnecessarily" caused panic among the sailors and their families, and raised doubts about the ship's operational capability."

Bullshit. He wasn't an idiot, he was a seasoned professional who must have considered all the possible implications.
His superiors were probably too slow to act, and 200 +ves in a packed ship.....

That's easy for those with no military experience to say.
What if he had been ordered into a conflict and decided
for the safety of my sailors and their families,
I'm not about to go into harm's way...
How many would he endanger then?

At a time when China is boldly trying to consolidate
the South China Sea as a no-go zone for everyone else
can you not see how projecting such weakness
endangers a lot of people not in his crew?

 

[SpeareChucker]

I disagree. You are expendable if you join the military. Although I can admire his ethics, they have no place in the military. If I say, charge up that hill...knowing 99 out of 100 will die, you will charge up that hill...because that is what you signed up for. He was 100% wrong in what he did. I dont give a fuck if his entire ship is exposed, which it is, and many of they die. They are not civilians.

I simply cannot believe that we agree on something, anything...,

 

[ryan8558]

I disagree. You are expendable if you join the military. Although I can admire his ethics, they have no place in the military. If I say, charge up that hill...knowing 99 out of 100 will die, you will charge up that hill...because that is what you signed up for. He was 100% wrong in what he did. I dont give a fuck if his entire ship is exposed, which it is, and many of they die. They are not civilians.

or as happened in some south east Asia country I won't mention, you could be fragged by your own men.

 

[trysail]

Notwithstanding the obvious, desperate effort by those suffering from TDS along with the usual dimbulbs, (and— god knows— the media) to turn this incident into politics, the brighter Lit folk, the Lit-folk with military experience, and Litizens familiar with the real world saw right through the gambit.



Fucking NPR— they almost ALWAYS get it wrong. Who is fact-checking NPR?


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[RobDownSouth]

or as happened in some south east Asia country I won't mention, you could be fragged by your own men.

Hell it happened to BotBoy in the sandbox. He got fragged "in the buttocks" by his own team. Some people say he's still pickin' schrapnel outta his ass to this day.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Here's a video of Captain Crozier leaving his ship for the final time, head held high. The sailors under his command give him one hell of a rousing sendoff.

 

[Maxfun1]

Relieved of command.

A Leader

 

[sygn]

That's easy for those with no military experience to say.
1. What if he had been ordered into a conflict and decided
for the safety of my sailors and their families,
I'm not about to go into harm's way...
How many would he endanger then?

2. At a time when China is boldly trying to consolidate
the South China Sea as a no-go zone for everyone else
can you not see how projecting such weakness
endangers a lot of people not in his crew?

1. You're comparing apples with trains.

2. How is letting your men become infected and die
because of an incompetent boss
help project strength? or help the country?

Between two bad scenarios, he chose the less bad.
His Boss and those higher up should be demoted, for allowing this to happen.

 

[KeithD]

What did the captain send up through the chain of command without going outside of the chain? What was the response? The head rolling, or not, should start at the quality of the response to what originally went up through the chain of command. This is not time of war on the high seas.

 

[Botanical11B]

Hell it happened to BotBoy in the sandbox. He got fragged "in the buttocks" by his own team. Some people say he's still pickin' schrapnel outta his ass to this day.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/3ZLh2KQa_DxiaC5GkExsyRBBfoFX1k5fBvXHfHuBllgrZwzVM-bjApXfzDGQR8LFMyniIUH-wX_zFZ1JFHGYuAv0FQkYzdCRUshO_vg

REMFDownSouth is making up lies again because he didn't get to operate and I did.

 

[Botanical11B]

This is not time of war on the high seas.

Doesn't matter, happens to NCO's all the time and nobody gives a shit when they lose their stripes or get fired.

This is all just OMB fake news. .....

 

[sygn]

The Captain's letter speaks clearly about the incompetent decision-making coming from higher up:
His superiors had 'recommended' "inappropriate quarantine and isolation", which would have led to mass spread of the infection.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php


"But Modly said the Navy was already addressing Crozier's concerns by the time the letter was written. Modly's chief of staff assured Crozier that he had "an open line anytime" to relay his concerns directly to the secretary."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...-who-raised-alarm-about-virus-outbreak-162225

sounds vague to me.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://images2.imgbox.com/95/6b/Z8d1bNBd_o.jpeg

 

[sygn]

That's easy for those with no military experience to say.
What if he had been ordered into a conflict and decided
for the safety of my sailors and their families,
I'm not about to go into harm's way...
How many would he endanger then?

At a time when China is boldly trying to consolidate
the South China Sea as a no-go zone for everyone else
can you not see how projecting such weakness
endangers a lot of people not in his crew?

Half of you guys are ex-army, so you have a more complex view than we do.
So I might well be wrong, but I just find it to be an interesting discussion.

I wonder if:
Had he simply obeyed command's orders, it would have also destroyed soldiers' confidence in the Army.
Soldiers talk with their peers , rumors spread. Knowing that lower level commanders, who live side by side them are willing to confront an incompetent management to protect them
makes them more likely to trust and follow them in times of war.

He or someone else probably leaked the letter as a last measure, because they had no other choice left.