Just for the record... China Virus

[christinecuddlewell]

OMG this is what china virus does http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0qrSeiK-QnM/TJopjvK4k9I/AAAAAAAAACg/9fvGJ8a5VLE/s1600/brokenchina.jpg

 

[SpeareChucker]

To say nothing of the death, human misery, and some of the darkest days in Chinese history their communist system has imposed on their people. China is truly the epitome of an evil empire.

Indeed you freaking racist!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Statement of fact:

Trump has handled this well,
acting in a timely manner to
mitigate the spread of the virus
(that he failed to stop).

Meanwhile, back in the reality based world.....

Kushner urged Trump to treat this as a public relations crisis instead of a public health crisis, and America is now suffering from their hubris.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Video of Dr. Fauci dying inside because of Trump's asshattery.

@mrvndn: You can spot the exact moment he died inside https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1241044023437070338/video/1

 

[Rightguide]

Interesting article about the kind of change that pandemics bring to societies in general and what we might expect from this one:

Things won't go back to normal
by Hugo Gurdon
March 19, 2020 09:36 AM

Today’s pandemic will also bring comparably significant changes, accelerating some existing trends and ending or reversing others. Many businesses will find that things run pretty smoothly with staff working at home, and they’ll decide they don’t need expensive office space downtown. The New Yorker magazine ran a cartoon on Monday in which a man in pajamas and slippers sits at home working on his computer and suddenly realizes, “My God … those meetings really could all have been emails.”

Many a true word is spoken in jest. I await signs that commercial real estate stocks sink further than other indices and don’t recover. The trend toward telecommuting had already begun, but surely COVID-19 will accelerate it. Likewise, online shopping and home delivery of everything from family meals to bachelor’s degrees.

What else?

National borders can be expected to harden where, for decades, they had become increasingly porous. Nations facing contagion from abroad sealed or semi-sealed their borders. This, I suspect, was not simply health quarantining but animated by a turning inward, a desire or instinct for national identity.

Governments that recently fostered the idea that their citizens were Europeans rather than members of distinct nationalities drew a line around the people who knew they were indeed a people. Italians in lockdown didn’t sing the EU anthem on their balconies; they sang patriotic songs about Italy. For worse and for better, this pandemic will stoke suspicion of foreign peoples and lands and will give extra force to increasingly persuasive arguments that nation-states are the most effective bulwarks against arrogant encroachments on self-government.

COVID-19 will also change the way we regard China, which since the Clinton presidency has been treated less as a strategic rival than as a trading partner. Now we will see it as a tyranny responsible for a scourge laying waste to our economy, jobs, wealth, and well-being. We will be less tempted to subordinate recognition of its malignancy to wishful thinking and commercial desire.

Much more here:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/after-coronavirus-things-wont-go-back-to-normal

 

[Rightguide]

Welp!

WHITE HOUSE
Trump's coronavirus claims haven't matched response reality
Experts say the president's description of his administration's actions isn't apparent on the ground.

Trump: 'We were very prepared' to handle the coronavirus outbreak
MARCH 19, 202002:12

March 20, 2020, 11:30 AM PDT
By Shannon Pettypiece
WASHINGTON — To hear President Donald Trump tell it, there is a website where you can find out if you need to get tested for coronavirus, and millions of testing kits available for anyone who needs one. There is an approved treatment, a vaccine coming soon, plenty of protective masks in circulation, and a ship that will be off the coast of New York next week to help patients.

But the president's description of the state of measures being taken by his administration stands in sharp relief to the reality being described by the experts on the ground involved in the response. And so the president, who was criticized early in the crisis for downplaying the risk posed by the virus while health officials were sounding the alarm, now faces claims that he is overplaying the available assistance.

While Trump has given overly optimistic timelines and overstated his accomplishments throughout his time in office, in the case of the coronavirus pandemic, his alternate version of events threatens to create unnecessary confusion among the public, potentially leading to a false sense of security, drawing criticism from public health experts and political opponents.

"Memo to Donald Trump: take a day off from the briefing room where you hype cures that aren't proven, promise websites that don't exist, and talk about tests that aren't being given -- and let @CDCgov talk," Ron Klain, a longtime adviser to Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden who led the Obama administration's response to the Ebola outbreak, said Thursday in a tweet.

^^^

Purveyor of CCP propaganda.

 

[DeluxAuto]

^^^

Purveyor of CCP propaganda.

^^^^ Birther, truther, climate denier, poop fetishist.

 

[Rightguide]

Indeed you freaking racist!

Yes the truth is racist, right?

China Did This, and Saying So Isn't Racist
By Jim Treacher March 18, 2020

As the entire world grapples with the effects of the COVID-19 virus, now that Americans are beginning to panic, they want someone to blame. Maybe it's Trump, maybe it's the Democrats, whoever. But only one entity is responsible for what's happening right now: the Chinese government.

Philip Sherwell, The Times:

Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later...

Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

If China had warned the world back in January, if we'd all known from the beginning how deadly COVID-19 is and how it spreads, things would look very different right now. But they didn't. Now they're trying to blame the United States, and a lot of "journalists" and pundits are helping them. Whatever you think of Trump's response, no matter how much you hate him, he's responding to something China has done.

It's not racist to call it the Wuhan virus or the Chinese virus. Telling the truth does not make you responsible for the actions of racists. And lying to spare someone's feelings will not protect you from this virus.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/china-did-this-and-saying-so-isnt-racist/

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Statement of fact:

Trump has handled this well,
acting in a timely manner to
mitigate the spread of the virus
(that he failed to stop).

No Trump did not handle this well.

Could Trump have stopped the spread? Doubtful, but he may have slowed it down, and helped flatten the curve.

Some basics:

Shall we start with testing?

First off testing is used for two purposes in an initial potential pandemic.
The first reason is to confirm a person actual is infected with said virus.

Knowing who is infected is a pretty basic need, from a containment view point of a new virus.

The second and more important goal of testing at the very onslaught of a potential outbreak is for tracing back who Individual #1 came in contact with, and testing all individual #1's contacts to ensure they are not infected. Or if they are infected, contain them and start the same process of back checking individual #2, and so on and so on.

Those are the only reasons for testing. First to confirm, and second to trace.

Once the virus has moved into "community case's" testing is now only used to confirm who actually has the virus, since the symptoms can be similar to many other known and treatable virus. This way infected individuals can be treated in the best manner. Such as quarantine or hospitalization or ICU, for this particular virus

So is Trump directly responsible for the virus breaking into the general population?

Partly for sure. How much direct fault lies at his feet is hard to determine. First off the WHO sat on their ass for a period many considered far to long in rating the potential menace from COVID-19. This really handcuffed the world into not acting much earlier, which you can't blame Trump for not moving forward on either.

Second the WHO assumed from past history the US was more than capable of producing it's own testing kits. Though, in my opinion the WHO should have also been aware of the cuts to the CDC and hedge its bet on ordering the initial amount of kits for testing at the onset.

So was Trump directly involved in the thinning of the CDC pandemic response departments, or where they just poor judgement calls of the "I only hire the best people" that Trump had put in place.

You can almost straight line the testing kit issues back to that single decision from 2018. Which both Trump and the WHO should have known was a problem.

Still the failure of testing early and often left the door open to the virus now moving from being traceable, to running at large in the general population. Can you look back and blame the WHO for delaying this response? Well not really, while the US didn't start up testing that late, the first test batches were no good.

Second the CDC failed to certify other state level facilities for testing which exacerbated the testing issue, delaying even further proper monitoring of the virus, before it reached the community level infection.

So again is this Trumps fault? As the leader, he should accept the ultimate responsibility for this mess, but he didn't? He just pointed at the "I only hire the best people" and laid the blame there.


It is no secret that the virus is at large, so now what has Trump done to try and minimize community transmission? What has Trump done to try and flatten the curve to minimize the potential flooding of Hospitals in the US? What has Trump done to try and instill the public's faith that the government can handle this crisis?

I have seen he enacted some legislation that might help flatten the curve, but seen no action on the legislation moving forward. There have been large volumes of cash released to shore up the stock market, while a nice thought, the stock market is driven more by emotion than logic. If the market players have no faith in the market, it fails, no matter how much cash you throw at it. Throwing cash at the market doesn't flatten the curve, in fact it has shown to not have done much at all.

Many Lit people have said this virus spread may not be that bad, and I hope they are right. I hope this is all an over blown media driven hype as many commented on. The problem is, you cannot make a good plan on what you don't know, so you must plan for the worse case scenario.

Is Trump planning for the worse case?

Does Trump have a plan at all?

So if this is not Trumps fault, who's fault is it? Is there any one person who can be blamed for the virus spread in the US?



19,696 infected, 279 deaths

 

[Rightguide]

^^^^ Birther, truther, climate denier, poop fetishist.

^^^
Pathological liar and forever leaking gas bag.

 

[Rightguide]

No Trump did not handle this well.

Could Trump have stopped the spread? Doubtful, but he may have slowed it down, and helped flatten the curve.

Some basics:

Shall we start with testing?

First off testing is used for two purposes in an initial potential pandemic.
The first reason is to confirm a person actual is infected with said virus.

Knowing who is infected is a pretty basic need, from a containment view point of a new virus.

The second and more important goal of testing at the very onslaught of a potential outbreak is for tracing back who Individual #1 came in contact with, and testing all contacts to ensure they are not infected.

Those are the only reasons for testing. First to confirm, and second to trace.

Once the virus has moved into "community case's" testing is now only used to confirm who actually has the virus, since the symptoms can be similar to many other known and treatable virus. This way infected individuals can be treated in the best manner. Such as quarantine or hospitalization or ICU, for this particular virus

So is Trump directly responsible for the virus breaking into the general population?

Partly for sure. How much direct fault lies at his feet is hard to determine. First off the WHO sat on their ass for a period many considered far to long in rating the potential menace from COVID-19. This really handcuffed the world into not acting much earlier, which you can't blame Trump for not moving forward on either.

Second the WHO assumed from past history the US was more than capable of producing it's own testing kits. Though, in my opinion the WHO should have also been aware of the cuts to the CDC and hedge its bet on ordering the initial amount of kits for testing at the onset.

So was Trump directly involved in the thinning of the CDC pandemic response departments, or where they just poor judgement calls of the "I only hire the best people" that Trump had put in place.

You can almost straight line the testing kit issues back to that single decision from 2018. Which both Trump and the WHO should have known was a problem.

Still the failure of testing early and often left the door open to the virus now moving from being traceable, to running at large in the general population. Can you look back and blame the WHO for delaying this response? Well not really, while the US didn't start up testing that late, the first test batches were no good.

Second the CDC failed to certify other state level facilities for testing which exacerbated the testing issue, delaying even further proper monitoring of the virus, before it reached the community level infection.

So again is this Trumps fault? As the leader, he should accept the ultimate responsibility for this mess, but he didn't? He just pointed at the "I only hire the best people" and laid the blame there.


It is no secret that the virus is at large, so now what has Trump done to try and minimize community transmission? What has Trump done to try and flatten the curve to minimize the potential flooding of Hospitals in the US? What has Trump done to try and instill the public's faith that the government can handle this crisis?

I have seen he enacted some legislation that might help flatten the curve, but seen no action on the legislation moving forward. There have been large volumes of cash released to shore up the stock market, while a nice thought, the stock market is driven more by emotion than logic. If the market players have no faith in the market, it fails, no matter how much cash you throw at it. Throwing cash at the market doesn't flatten the curve, in fact it has shown to not have done much at all.

Many Lit people have said this virus spread may not be that bad, and I hope they are right. I hope this is all an over blown media driven hype as many commented on. The problem is, you cannot make a good plan on what you don't know, so you must plan for the worse case scenario.

Is Trump planning for the worse case?

Does Trump have a plan at all?

So if this is not Trumps fault, who's fault is it? Is there any one person who can be blamed for the virus spread in the US?



19,696 infected, 279 deaths

^^^

Repeats communist Chinese propaganda

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^^^

Repeats communist Chinese propaganda

Link to Chinese propaganda please...

 

[bigsly]

Dr. Fauci facepalms after Trump calls the State Department the "Deep State Department."

Fauci covered his face to hide the fact he almost burst out laughing at Trump's humorous comment to Pompeo. Partisan puke fake newsers maliciously turn that into a negative. Big surprise.

 

[bigsly]

Statement of fact:

Trump has handled this well,
acting in a timely manner to
mitigate the spread of the virus
(that he failed to stop).

Pay attention to what I say, dammit!

 

[DeluxAuto]

Fauci covered his face to hide the fact he almost burst out laughing at Trump's humorous comment to Pompeo. Partisan puke fake newsers maliciously turn that into a negative. Big surprise.

Except it was on video and you're a liar

 

[Rightguide]

Link to Chinese propaganda please...

For openers:

"So is Trump directly responsible for the virus breaking into the general population?

Partly for sure. How much direct fault lies at his feet is hard to determine. First off the WHO sat on their ass for a period many considered far to long in rating the potential menace from COVID-19. This really handcuffed the world into not acting much earlier, which you can't blame Trump for not moving forward on either"

Trump and the US has absolutely ZERO responsibility for this virus...ZERO.

 

[Rightguide]

Except it was on video and you're a liar

Except you aren't capable of a sober analysis of the facts.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Except you aren't capable of a sober analysis of the facts.

Prove that I'm wrong. Link the video.

 

[Rightguide]

Prove that I'm wrong. Link the video.

You made the original assertion, prove it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

You made the original assertion, prove it.

I provided a picture as proof. You said something really dumb. This is on you, shorty.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

^^^

Purveyor of CCP propaganda.

Says the man who wears a China hat.

 

[bigsly]

Except it was on video and you're a liar

And I watched him begin to crack up right before he raises his hand to cover his face.

Stop projecting.

 

[DeluxAuto]

And I watched him begin to crack up right before he raises his hand to cover his face.

Stop projecting.

We agree. Fauci was laughing at Trump to the point of facepalming.

 

[bigsly]

We agree. Fauci was laughing at Trump to the point of facepalming.

No, the face palm was his insecure effort to conceal him cracking-up at what Trump said, insecure due to the fact that Fauci is naturally a humorless, 2x4-up-the-ass-sideways kind of guy but even Trump's dumbshittery made him almost crack up publicly.

All the intentionally disingenuous fake news reporting on the episode just exposes those with partisan hack agendas and 4x8s sideways up their asses - permanently, and with bias.

 

[DeluxAuto]

No, the face palm was his insecure effort to conceal him cracking-up at what Trump said, insecure due to the fact that Fauci is naturally a humorless, 2x4-up-the-ass-sideways kind of guy but even Trump's dumbshittery made him almost crack up publicly.

All the intentionally disingenuous fake news reporting on the episode just exposes those with partisan hack agendas and 4x8s sideways up their asses - permanently, and with bias.

You got played