are you afraid of the coronavirus?

[SpeareChucker]

OK, don't take it seriously. Go the Trump "it's just a hoax" route. I take it neither you nor anyone you love is on any life-preserving medicines.

Once the Left is taken with a lie,
they never stop repeating it.
He never said that.
Check Snopes...

 

[Jada59]

Once the Left is taken with a lie,
they never stop repeating it.
He never said that.
Check Snopes...

Snopes is run by the left.

 

[oggbashan]

Snopes is run by the left.

But it calls out lies.

 

[coati]

Once the Left is taken with a lie,
they never stop repeating it.
He never said that.
Check Snopes...

You're still parsing what Trump meant by "It's just another hoax"?

We've got much bigger problems than that to deal with.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Here's another source

Trump referred to “politicizing” of the coronavirus by Democrats as “their new hoax.” He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax.

Throughout his speech, Trump reiterated that his administration is taking the threat of the coronavirus seriously.

Fact Check:

Politico appears to misconstrue the subject of the president’s statement, claiming that Trump “tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term.”

But an examination of the video and transcript show Trump actually described Democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as “their new hoax.”

...

Some Democrats, including former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Vice President Joe Biden, have criticized the administration’s response to the outbreak as rudderless and ill-prepared due to Trump’s leadership and budget cuts at the Centers for Disease Control and National Institutes of Health.

But The Associated Press called this characterization “distorted” since the agencies haven’t seen loss of funding and have a “playbook to follow for pandemic preparation” regardless of who is president.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/02/fact-check-did-trump-call-coronavirus-a-hoax/

 

[SpeareChucker]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/



As I said, the Democrat have politicized this with lies
for pure partisan political gain.

Now, would you also like comparisons between how Obama handled is outbreak
verses how the Trump campaign is handling this outbreak?

 

[Dribble]

Old folks home.
Underlying conditions.
Have you seen where it
doesn't have that much effect on the young?

It's just another flu variant.
What it has become is a "political science" issue
especially among those who are susceptible to pop science
and who are driven not by fear of the virus,
but fear of Donald Trump.
This is just another one of the never-ending
WE'VE GOT HIM NOWs!!!

And because if their age, the probability is they voted Republican. Your loss.

I feel bad for their families. This didnt need to happen. Watch how the right wing dismisses death. Their version if Death Panels

 

[SpeareChucker]

Again, the assumption that if I don't agree with your viewpoint
then I must be a Republican. I am a Libertarian
who did not vote for Trump and that
will not vote for Trump...

So it is not my loss
nor do I believe that so few are your gain.

[At least I don't celebrate the death of babies.]

 

[SpeareChucker]

Death Panels


#whataboutism

 

[Dribble]

And it isnt "just another variant of the flu". Learn something about viral coats and then come back and we can talk.

This was 100% preventable. 100%. This is the fact that will never change. Spin it how you like. Every death...every dollar loss...preventable

 

[SpeareChucker]

Tell me the mechanism by which you would have stopped this in its tracks.

And yes, it is so much like the flu or a bad cold
that almost nobody can tell the difference without testing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tell me the mechanism by which you would have stopped this in its tracks.

And yes, it is so much like the flu or a bad cold
that almost nobody can tell the difference without testing.

,.....with the exception of that 20-fold increase in the mortality rate of those over 60 compared to the usual strains of influenza. Since that Over-60 demographic voted overwhelmingly for Trump, one might posit that this is nothing less than Divine retribution.

Skyfather is not mocked.

It's coming for you, Housesquaw.

 

[coati]

And because if their age, the probability is they )voted Republican. Your loss.

I feel bad for their families. This didnt need to happen. Watch how the right wing dismisses death. Their version if Death Panels

We are losing the strategy to contain the virus to a limited geographical area. Flights are taking place hourly from new outbreak areas in America, and it now appears that asymptomatic or low-symptom carriers have been circulating around for at least six weeks. If new anti-viral therapies are not discovered or developed rapidly, the losses could be enormous.

America is so far behind the curve in responding to this situation, the main thing this administration seems to be ready to accept scientifically is the high mortality rate among elderly Americans and those with "underlying conditions". Given the health status of Americans overall, there are a lot people with underlying conditions.

 

[SpeareChucker]

We are way ahead of the curve, all things considered. Here are some considerations:
The problem, for the people who claim that this was 100% preventable
is one, China lied to us, and two, it can take up to two weeks
for the virus to present symptoms, which means that
people who appeared to be perfectly healthy flew in
during the time China was engaged in a cover-up...

 

[Dribble]

Tell me the mechanism by which you would have stopped this in its tracks.

And yes, it is so much like the flu or a bad cold
that almost nobody can tell the difference without testing.

Simple. How long did the Kirkland Longcare system have to wait after asking to be tested? Answer....6 fucking weeks. How long is the incubation period? How long before one becomes symptomatic?

What does virulency mean? How is it measured? Seriously. Step back and breathe. If you want to sound less stupid, say it is nothing but the flu on steroids. I will accept this level of ignorance. But I am sick of people thinking they know more than those who actually do.

 

[SpeareChucker]

That does not explain how it was 100% preventable?

Are you referring to the one instance, or the entire outbreak?
Clearly, the healthcare PROFESSIONALS were not alarmed about a flu going around
other than possibly the normal worries of the flue exacerbating underlying conditions.

Trump was right, there is a hoax being perpetrated by die-hard Democrats with TDS...

 

[SpeareChucker]

Simple. How long did the Kirkland Longcare system have to wait after asking to be tested? Answer....6 fucking weeks. How long is the incubation period? How long before one becomes symptomatic?

What does virulency mean? How is it measured? Seriously. Step back and breathe. If you want to sound less stupid, say it is nothing but the flu on steroids. I will accept this level of ignorance. But I am sick of people thinking they know more than those who actually do.

But somehow, you seem to be the arbiter of truth and knowledge?

Most of us are more sick about the constant trying to find fault with Trump...

Again, I invite you to examine the Obama Administration's slow reaction to epidemic.

 

[SpeareChucker]

...

Although COVID-19 is easier to catch than Ebola, it is far less contagious than, for example, measles. "Measles is so contagious," the CDC says, "that if one person has it, up to 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected." According to commonly cited estimates, the average measles carrier can be expected to infect 12 to 18 people in a susceptible population. The World Health Organization estimates that the corresponding number for COVID-19 is between 1.4 and 2.5, compared to roughly 1.3 for influenza.

How deadly is the disease?

The current estimate of fatalities caused COVID-19 is about 3,000 out of 89,000 identified cases, which suggests a death rate of 3.4 percent. But there is a lot of uncertainty about the denominator, since not all cases are confirmed and many cases in asymptomatic individuals probably have not been detected yet. A study of more than 72,000 COVID-19 patients in China, reported in The Journal of the American Medical Association, puts the fatality rate at 2.3 percent, essentially the same as the rate among 355 cruise ship passengers infected with the virus, according to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

The vast majority of cases (more than 80 percent in the China study) involve mild symptoms, and the death rate varies widely by age. In the China study, the death rate was 8 percent for patients in their seventies and nearly 15 percent for patients 80 or older. The death rate also was especially high among people with pre-existing medical conditions: 10.5 percent for cardiovascular disease, 7.3 percent for diabetes, 6.3 percent for chronic respiratory disease, 6 percent for hypertension, and 5.6 percent for cancer. No deaths among children 9 or younger were reported.

The 2.3 percent overall case fatality rate (CFR) for COVID-19 is much lower than the rates for the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) outbreak of 2003 (9.6 percent) and the ongoing MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome) outbreak (34.4 percent). Estimated CFRs for the 2009 influenza pandemic vary widely, with some studies reporting rates as high as 10 percent. The CFR for the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, which affected about one-third of the world population and caused some 50 million deaths, was somewhere between 2 percent and 5 percent....

https://reason.com/2020/03/02/are-quarantines-a-proportionate-response-to-the-coronavirus/

The hoax is all the angry voices trying to turn a molehill into Mount Victory...

 

[HisArpy]

https://reason.com/2020/03/02/are-quarantines-a-proportionate-response-to-the-coronavirus/

The hoax is all the angry voices trying to turn a molehill into Mount Victory...

It's a panic attack. They don't want to DIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! so they have to blame Trump to shift the focus to something more pleasant for them.

 

[wildfuncouple]

do you fear that you'll become a victim? i can't figure out why international panties are in a twist, it seems like a real long shot that it'll be the new spanish flu. mass hysteria?

unless, of course, it's one of those '12 monkeys' type scenarios and the chinese government is trying to kill everyone off and turn them into brain eating zombies or something like that.

don't overlook it, however let's not overreact either. Can't help thinking that if this was not an election year, it would be story 6 on the news

 

[RobDownSouth]

That does not explain how it was 100% preventable?

Are you referring to the one instance, or the entire outbreak?
Clearly, the healthcare PROFESSIONALS were not alarmed about a flu going around
other than possibly the normal worries of the flue exacerbating underlying conditions.

Trump was right, there is a hoax being perpetrated by die-hard Democrats with TDS...

^^^HERE we see teh beauty of Trump's "let's just call it a hoax" strategery.

Trump (via Pence) has effectively muzzled all government scientists, so the only (mis)information is distributed after careful massaging by political spinmeisters.

Trump has called it a "hoax", and his zealot supporters in the echo chamber have dutifully regurgitated his talking point.

"Whar are scientists? It's a hoax! A HOAX, DAMMIT!"

.....and when it grows out of control, I suspect we'll see Trump's go-to non-apology "NOBODY could have known/foreseen this happening!"

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What really comes to mind here is this.
It doesn't matter how the virus got loose into the world. Arguing about that will not stop the spread.
It doesn't matter how the virus got into the United States, arguing about that is irrelevant. It is there ( and here in Canada and everywhere else but Antarctica)) you can't expunge it now.
Arguing about if Trump is or isn't doing a good job, is also irrelevant.

What should be going on is for the individuals here ( and elsewhere in the US) to learn and understand all the preventative actions one can take to A: minimize the chance of one getting infected, and B: prevent the spread from one area to the next.

You all can and should take ownership of this, instead of wasting useless posts about who's fault this is.

Your time would be better spent promoting the main methods of avoidance, or how to react if you think you have come into contact with this virus.

 

[HisArpy]

^^^HERE we see teh beauty of Trump's "let's just call it a hoax" strategery.

Trump (via Pence) has effectively muzzled all government scientists, so the only (mis)information is distributed after careful massaging by political spinmeisters.

Trump has called it a "hoax", and his zealot supporters in the echo chamber have dutifully regurgitated his talking point.

"Whar are scientists? It's a hoax! A HOAX, DAMMIT!"

.....and when it grows out of control, I suspect we'll see Trump's go-to non-apology "NOBODY could have known/foreseen this happening!"

You see, THAT is where the Left gets it wrong. To them it doesn't matter that the truth has been posted many times by many people, they build an entire narrative around the lie and then expand on it from there.

Trump didn't say CoronaVirus is a hoax. Even CNN says he didn't say it. Yet here you go pushing the lie some more.

Because TDS.

And you wonder why no one listens to you except others who are as equally afflicted as you are.

 

[schism666]

1). I don't hate him.
You on the other hand...
2). you cannot prove that I
spend a lot of time talking about him
based solely upon one throw-away post.
3). One post in every 20th or 30th thread
is not a serious attempt to post in his threads.
4). If I do bring his name up, or out in his thread
it is not random...

1. yes you do, it's obvious.
2. i don't have to prove it, you do it for me.
3. total lie. rory hasn't made 30 threads this year yet you're in every one of them.
4. if you mention him in a thread where he didn't post, it's random.

 

[HisArpy]

1. yes you do, it's obvious.
2. i don't have to prove it, you do it for me.
3. total lie. rory hasn't made 30 threads this year yet you're in every one of them.
4. if you mention him in a thread where he didn't post, it's random.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/yawn1.gif