A wealth question for the Sanders supporters

[SpeareChucker]

How long before they realize the minimum wage actually makes it illegal for people who cannot produce at a market value equal to the established government standard represented by the MW to be employed in the United States. Ie, can a person who cannot read the company safety manual or the MSDS warnings on cleaning chemicals possibly be worth $15 per hour?

If it's cheaper than paying off the discrimination lawsuit
if you refuse to hire them...

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a Deplorable, thus, An Honorary White-Man-Without-College-Degree

I love how suddenly I'm white and uneducated because I don't support the anti-American politics of Democrats.

LOL

Well, slightly more civilized than Rob who went straight for "Gook-Nazi white supremacist" for not supporting the exact same brand of anti-American politics Carnal_Flower supports.

Common theme of the liberty loathing left.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rent free.
*nods*

 

[schism666]

Rent free.
*nods*

free? his government welfare check say otherwise

 

[BotanyBoy]

Rent free.
*nods*

Ohhhhh he finally figured it out!!!!


Good job!!

Now have you figured out if you support Customs (ICE) yet or not???

Or are you going to keep cowering from that one???


That's right, back in your corner.

 

[BotanyBoy]

free? his government welfare check say otherwise

Ohhh another hater of veterans....super classy.

Going to call me a gook and then accuse me of being a white nationalist in the same post??

Be just like LilMaoDownSouth!!!

 

[dan_c00000]

I'm saying if he can take $500 million to open a factory in Milwaukee (or anywhere else), create jobs and make money it would be better than blowing his cash on campaign advertising

By the way, it is Bloomberg's money and he can spend it how he wants.

And he's spending it how he wants. Your critique of his spending is just as valid as mine. I agree and think Bloomberg should do something better with his billions than pay for ads no wants.

He had employees he paid, and many of them were paid well I suspect there are a trail of millionaires in Bloomberg's wake.

I'm sure there are and I'm sure he did. Want I'd like to know is how many people helped those people? How many people cleaned their offices, delivered and installed their computers, and cooked their means that aren't paid as well. You're saying there's literally billions and millions of dollars available. Why not pay the people at the bottom better? If Bloomberg suddenly goes from having $60 billion to $45 billion his life won't change very much. But if someone goes from having $25k to $50k their lives are going to change a lot.

Also, this isn't about jealousy. I don't want Bloomberg's life as much as I don't want Trump's. It isn't about me wanting what they have, it's about me wanting to give everyone the ability to live a better, more free life and the best way to do that would be to redistribute the wealth of the Bloombergs, Kochs, and Buffets of the world.

 

[HisArpy]

And he's spending it how he wants. Your critique of his spending is just as valid as mine. I agree and think Bloomberg should do something better with his billions than pay for ads no wants.



I'm sure there are and I'm sure he did. Want I'd like to know is how many people helped those people? How many people cleaned their offices, delivered and installed their computers, and cooked their means that aren't paid as well. You're saying there's literally billions and millions of dollars available. Why not pay the people at the bottom better? If Bloomberg suddenly goes from having $60 billion to $45 billion his life won't change very much. But if someone goes from having $25k to $50k their lives are going to change a lot.

Also, this isn't about jealousy. I don't want Bloomberg's life as much as I don't want Trump's. It isn't about me wanting what they have, it's about me wanting to give everyone the ability to live a better, more free life and the best way to do that would be to redistribute the wealth of the Bloombergs, Kochs, and Buffets of the world.

This literally makes NO SENSE.

If Bloomers gave away his money, HE'D BE FUCKING BROKE and all those people who managed to get a few pennies of it would be right back in the same hole they're in now. All those OTHER PEOPLE who rely on his companies, which are now bankrupt and out of business, ARE ALSO in the same hole you dug for them.

Give aways aren't "perpetual". Once it's gone, it's gone forever.

 

[dan_c00000]

If Bloomers gave away his money, HE'D BE FUCKING BROKE

Do me a favor, re-read the post and show me where it says I'm 1. recommending taking ALL of Bloomberg's money and 2. then banning Bloomberg from making more money.

You've just lied about what my post says and then argued against a straw man of your own making. I clear didn't suggest either of those things so stop bullshitting or stop posting.

K? Thanks.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Do me a favor, re-read the post and show me where it says I'm 1. recommending taking ALL of Bloomberg's money and 2. then banning Bloomberg from making more money.

You've just lied about what my post says and then argued against a straw man of your own making. I clear didn't suggest either of those things so stop bullshitting or stop posting.

K? Thanks.

BarristerTimmay has been taking ascription lessons from BotanyBoy.
BotanyBoy has been taking novel legal interpretation lessons from BarristerTimmay.

#CrossTraining

 

[BotanyBoy]

BarristerTimmay has been taking ascription lessons from BotanyBoy.
BotanyBoy has been taking novel legal interpretation lessons from BarristerTimmay.

#CrossTraining

Looks like someone is holding robs feet to the fire for his own stupid posting.

Speaking of....you ever decide if you support Customs or are you ready to own up to being an open borders whackadoodle??

[*]I support the mission of the United States Customs Service and their 200+ years of service to America.

[*]I do not in any way shape or form support "ICE" (the American Gestapo).

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=91926028&postcount=24

And just like that, LilMaoDownSouth scurries away....supporting open borders and totally unwilling to own up to it.
https://media.giphy.com/media/GJHhGRT8m3EbK/giphy.gif

 

[schism666]

rob will be granted a much warranted restraining order against botfly soon. wherever you see rob you can be sure botfly will be there shortly.

 

[RobDownSouth]

rob will be granted a much warranted restraining order against botfly soon. wherever you see rob you can be sure botfly will be there shortly.

He forrow me everywhere.
*nods*

 

[schism666]

He forrow me everywhere.
*nods*

he love you long time.

 

[HisArpy]

Do me a favor, re-read the post and show me where it says I'm 1. recommending taking ALL of Bloomberg's money and 2. then banning Bloomberg from making more money.

You've just lied about what my post says and then argued against a straw man of your own making. I clear didn't suggest either of those things so stop bullshitting or stop posting.

K? Thanks.

dudly, you're clearly working under a misconception that anyone gives a shit about you and what you post. And you getting all upset about it doesn't change that one whit.

The fact is, confiscating Bloomberg's wealth, or the wealth of any of "the rich", to give to the poor results in only 1 thing - "the rich" aren't "rich" anymore. It doesn't matter if you take "all" of it or only "some" of it, the money is GONE.

Without that money, they have no resources to make more money. Further, they've been disincentivized to make more money anyway since you'll just take it from them again. "Rich people" didn't get "rich" by being stupid with money.

So, show me the "straw man". Show me where your idea isn't fucking ridiculous. Show me how you sustain wealth confiscation and redistribution when the money runs out. SHOW US THE PLAN.

Otherwise, you just need to admit you don't have a clue what you're talking about and only want "your share" of someone else's pie.

 

[BotanyBoy]

rob will be granted a much warranted restraining order against botfly soon. wherever you see rob you can be sure botfly will be there shortly.

He doesn't have to lie and say insane shit everywhere.

He forrow me everywhere.
*nods*

he love you long time.

ohhhh racism in response to being called out for your anti-American politics and lies about me.

You two are peas in a pod.

 

[schism666]

He doesn't have to lie and say insane shit everywhere.

you don't own any mirrors do you?

 

[BotanyBoy]

you don't own any mirrors do you?

Plenty.....care to point out any lies or insane shit I've been posting???

 

[SpeareChucker]

And he's spending it how he wants. Your critique of his spending is just as valid as mine. I agree and think Bloomberg should do something better with his billions than pay for ads no wants.



I'm sure there are and I'm sure he did. Want I'd like to know is how many people helped those people? How many people cleaned their offices, delivered and installed their computers, and cooked their means that aren't paid as well. You're saying there's literally billions and millions of dollars available. Why not pay the people at the bottom better? If Bloomberg suddenly goes from having $60 billion to $45 billion his life won't change very much. But if someone goes from having $25k to $50k their lives are going to change a lot.

Also, this isn't about jealousy. I don't want Bloomberg's life as much as I don't want Trump's. It isn't about me wanting what they have, it's about me wanting to give everyone the ability to live a better, more free life and the best way to do that would be to redistribute the wealth of the Bloombergs, Kochs, and Buffets of the world.

They are getting paid commensurate with their abilities, skills and education.
Should you set their pay significantly higher, then most everybody above them
will also want a higher pay in order to reward their abilities, skills and education
in proper proportion.

He who seeks the ability to take and give from others
soon becomes the leader of a tyranny, i.e, a tyrant.

 

[SpeareChucker]

This literally makes NO SENSE.

If Bloomers gave away his money, HE'D BE FUCKING BROKE and all those people who managed to get a few pennies of it would be right back in the same hole they're in now. All those OTHER PEOPLE who rely on his companies, which are now bankrupt and out of business, ARE ALSO in the same hole you dug for them.

Give aways aren't "perpetual". Once it's gone, it's gone forever.

Let us not forget that his money is not stuffed in a mattress,
it is invested, invested in the companies that hire and create
the goods and services which benefit society as a whole.

 

[RobDownSouth]

At a bare minimum, the minimum wage should be pegged to the rate of consumer inflation. This would ameliorate the gnashing of teeth by the likes of AJ when the wage is raised belatedly every 10 years or so.

And if Joe Small Business has such a small profit margin that he cannot afford this, perhaps he should look into going back to college and learning computers or something.

 

[HisArpy]

At a bare minimum, the minimum wage should be pegged to the rate of consumer inflation. This would ameliorate the gnashing of teeth by the likes of AJ when the wage is raised belatedly every 10 years or so.

And if Joe Small Business has such a small profit margin that he cannot afford this, perhaps he should look into going back to college and learning computers or something.

Like most of the Lit progressives, you're a financial idiot.

STABLE wages are part of the way to keep inflation in check. When wages are stable, it is more difficult for prices to rise because consumers can't afford higher costs of living.

Tying wages to inflation merely allows inflation to rise unchecked because as inflation occurs, wages automatically rise. The numbers get bigger but that's all that happens.

 

[BotanyBoy]

At a bare minimum, the minimum wage should be pegged to the rate of consumer inflation. This would ameliorate the gnashing of teeth by the likes of AJ when the wage is raised belatedly every 10 years or so.

And if Joe Small Business has such a small profit margin that he cannot afford this, perhaps he should look into going back to college and learning computers or something.

And if that crushes small town wherever because their economy isn't the same as UberPlex metro areas??

Fuck em right??

LOL...you're such a freedom hating scum bag.

There shouldn't be a federal minimum wage.

 

[Rightguide]

Don't be fooled by Bernie's economic bullshit. This story is five months old but it dissects Bernie's economic agenda and explains how it will sink the American economy:

The Unaffordable Candidate
Bernie Sanders’s $97 trillion agenda would impose incomprehensible costs.
Brian Riedl
October 15, 2019 Politics and law
Economy, finance, and budgets

It’s been a difficult time for Senator Bernie Sanders, who was hospitalized two weeks ago after suffering a heart attack and whose 46-year-old daughter-in-law has recently died of cancer. Given Sanders’s age (78) and health and familial challenges, his quest for the Democratic presidential nomination looks like an uphill battle. For the time being, at least, he pledges to continue his campaign.

And so long as Sanders remains in the race, it’s worth taking his policy ideas seriously, since he has unveiled expensive new spending proposals on a near-weekly basis. All told, Sanders’s current plans would cost as much as $97.5 trillion over the next decade, and total government spending at all levels would surge to as high as 70 percent of gross domestic product. Approximately half of the American workforce would be employed by the government. The ten-year budget deficit would approach $90 trillion, with average annual deficits exceeding 30 percent of GDP.

The $97.5 trillion price tag is made up mostly of the costs of Sanders’s three most ambitious proposals. Sanders concedes that his Medicare For All plan would increase federal spending by “somewhere between $30 and $40 trillion over a 10-year period.” He pledges to spend $16.3 trillion on his climate plan. And his proposal to guarantee all Americans a full-time government job paying $15 an hour, with full benefits, is estimated to cost $30.1 trillion. The final $11.1 trillion includes $3 trillion to forgive all student loans and guarantee free public-college tuition—plus $1.8 trillion to expand Social Security, $2.5 trillion on housing, $1.6 trillion on paid family leave, $1 trillion on infrastructure, $800 billion on general K-12 education spending, and an additional $400 billion on higher public school teacher salaries.

This unprecedented outlay would more than double the size of the federal government. Over the next decade, Washington is already projected to spend $60 trillion, and state and local governments will spend another $29.7 trillion from non-federal sources. Adding Sanders’s $97.5 trillion—and then subtracting the $3 trillion saved by state governments under Medicare For All—would raise the total cost of government to $184 trillion, or 70 percent of the projected GDP over ten years

Such spending would far exceed even that of European social democracies. The 35 OECD countries average 43 percent of GDP in total government spending. Finland’s 57 percent tops the list, edging France and Denmark. Meantime, Sweden and Norway—regularly lauded as models for the U.S.—spend just under 50 percent of GDP. The U.S. government, at all levels, spends between 34 percent and 38 percent of GDP, depending on how one calculates.

The rest of his national suicide here:

https://www.city-journal.org/bernie-sanders-expensive-spending-proposals

 

[dan_c00000]

Should you set their pay significantly higher, then most

When you're comparing things you use "than".

And yes I would set their pay higher. Why? I've already explained it.

You're also making the assumption that capitalism always allocates resources in the best way possible and this simply isn't true. Rural America is a perfect example of this. You also seem to believe that only certain people deserve a living wage. Which is obviously racist but I don't need to explain that to you, what with your screen name and all.

The fact that billionaires don't really drive the economy and tend to inherit their wealth (like Trump) means that those "hard working deserving" people did the difficult work of being born into the right family.

I fail to see how providing a minimum wage or standard of living is bad or a threat to freedom. There's no moral, social, or mathematical argument that a billionaire can experience tyranny if they go from having $60 billion to $45 billion. It is literally not possible when they've gamed the system so much that they've managed to trick those with nothing (you, bot, arpy, etc.) that the richest 1% should keep all that wealth to themselves. That you can fall for such an argument where it's "right" for billionaires to have so much and most Americans to have so little is pathetic and sad. But then again you guys are pathetic, individuals so what should I except any different from you?