Help me clarify some raunchy terminology

[Nezhul]

Hello.
English isn't my native language.
I recently was on the search for an artist to do a voiceover for one of my erotic stories. And one of the artists brought two things to my attention:

1) No one over age of 12 says "pee hole". They called referring to it like that weird. Especially in a sexual situation.
2) You want to use "ass hole" not "butt hole" unless you want to sound like a kid.

See, I've been writing for several years now, and no one mentioned that. On the second count I go either ways depending on the situation. On the first count however - I was under the impression that "pee hole" is a widely accepted descriptive for both men and women.

So, someone who's a language carrier - could you help me with those terms?

How would you call "pee hole" in a sexual situation? Urethra seems medical and unsexy to me.
And what about "butt hole" does it really sound bad? You see, I sometimes don't like to use "ass hole" because it is too close to "asshole" in my mind, and well... "He fucked my asshole" sometimes brings strange associations to my mind. Maybe I should stop paying attention to it and always use "ass hole"? I am also aware that Brits use the word "Arse" and that "Ass" is a donkey.

Are there some cultural things that I'm missing?

 

[tomlitilia]

Hello.
English isn't my native language.
I recently was on the search for an artist to do a voiceover for one of my erotic stories. And one of the artists brought two things to my attention:

1) No one over age of 12 says "pee hole". They called referring to it like that weird. Especially in a sexual situation.
2) You want to use "ass hole" not "butt hole" unless you want to sound like a kid.

See, I've been writing for several years now, and no one mentioned that. On the second count I go either ways depending on the situation. On the first count however - I was under the impression that "pee hole" is a widely accepted descriptive for both men and women.

So, someone who's a language carrier - could you help me with those terms?

How would you call "pee hole" in a sexual situation? Urethra seems medical and unsexy to me.
And what about "butt hole" does it really sound bad? You see, I sometimes don't like to use "ass hole" because it is too close to "asshole" in my mind, and well... "He fucked my asshole" sometimes brings strange associations to my mind. Maybe I should stop paying attention to it and always use "ass hole"? I am also aware that Brits use the word "Arse" and that "Ass" is a donkey.

Are there some cultural things that I'm missing?

I would agree with your voiceover artist. It's hard to to advice what else to use without the context, at least for "pee hole"; I've not once felt the need to refer to that in a story. For "ass hole", you can often just drop the "hole". If you write "he fucked my ass," readers get that he's not penetrating the middle of one of your cheeks.

(Also not a native English speaker, so take my advice with as many grains of salt as you see fit)

 

[ElectricBlue]

You'll find differences between English speaking nations, too. In Oz, both arse and ass get used, as does bum; younger folk who have been Americanized will say butt, older folk never will.

Kids will have a wee, teenagers and adults might go for a pee or take a piss. There's a spectacularly crude reference to piss-flaps from time to time, but only women have them.

It's a minefield of nuanced and flagrant differences. Not for the unwary .

 

[Nezhul]

I would agree with your voiceover artist. It's hard to to advice what else to use without the context, at least for "pee hole"

For example in sexual play where it's the main object. People fuck penetrate it with small rods, electrodes for e-stim units, or even put liquids into it.
I would not advise doing any of those IRL lightly, because that's the place prone to infection. But people do play with them, and occasionally I need to describe that play in a story.
Urethra isn't that sexy-sounding, I don't think.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Your source is entitled to their opinion, but nobody is bound to follow.

‘Pee hole’ is a term I don’t think I ever heard in use, even as a child. As to ‘butt hole’, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

 

[Rustyoznail]

For example in sexual play where it's the main object. People fuck penetrate it with small rods, electrodes for e-stim units, or even put liquids into it.
I would not advise doing any of those IRL lightly, because that's the place prone to infection. But people do play with them, and occasionally I need to describe that play in a story.
Urethra isn't that sexy-sounding, I don't think.

Pisser is one way to describe your pee hole. That does sound a bit juvenile, although a quick search shows it’s a fairly common term on the various video sites.

Concerning the Dark Hole, I agree with EB. Leave the hole alone.

Mate, welcome to the wonderful world of English language. She’ll be right. No worries about that...

 

[EdEc]

Hello.
English isn't my native language.
I recently was on the search for an artist to do a voiceover for one of my erotic stories. And one of the artists brought two things to my attention:

1) No one over age of 12 says "pee hole". They called referring to it like that weird. Especially in a sexual situation.
2) You want to use "ass hole" not "butt hole" unless you want to sound like a kid.

See, I've been writing for several years now, and no one mentioned that. On the second count I go either ways depending on the situation. On the first count however - I was under the impression that "pee hole" is a widely accepted descriptive for both men and women.

So, someone who's a language carrier - could you help me with those terms?

How would you call "pee hole" in a sexual situation? Urethra seems medical and unsexy to me.
And what about "butt hole" does it really sound bad? You see, I sometimes don't like to use "ass hole" because it is too close to "asshole" in my mind, and well... "He fucked my asshole" sometimes brings strange associations to my mind. Maybe I should stop paying attention to it and always use "ass hole"? I am also aware that Brits use the word "Arse" and that "Ass" is a donkey.

Are there some cultural things that I'm missing?

I'm six decades beyond 12 and I always call it a "pee hole." However, I call what comes out of it "piss".

 

[LoquiSordidaAdMe]

1) No one over age of 12 says "pee hole". They called referring to it like that weird. Especially in a sexual situation.

You might try "piss hole" to sound less juvenile. If you're talking about a male urethra, you could also go with "sperm hole", "jizz hole", "cum hole". Trickier for women, but maybe "inner hole" or "hidden hole".

Or you could try playing with the word urethra to sound less clinical. "Ure hole", "your little ethra hole", something like that.

 

[stellataylor]

If you're writing a story centered around urethra play, then those types of readers will not have a problem with the word urethra. I would find the word 'urethra' to be significantly sexier than 'pee hole', but if you wanted to be dirtier/less medical-sounding, then 'piss hole' wouldn't be too distracting.

Butt hole is a little juvenile, but if you are writing an innocent/inexperienced character, it could fit just fine. (For example: a chaste young lady saying, "Wait! You want to touch my butt hole? I'm not sure...")

If that's not the case, typically using an appropriate adjective before the word "hole" would work, as long as it's first made clear that they're not talking about the vagina. "Dark hole", "pink hole", "puckered hole", etc.

Above all, this is a matter of opinion. I'm sure some people -- especially people who are into urethra play -- find the term "pee hole" sexy.

 

[Nezhul]

I mean... I personally liked "pee hole" terminology. Yes, I guess not least because it sounds innocent.

I wonder if there's such difference between "pee hole" and "piss hole" for the native listener? Several people have told me to rather call it "piss hole".

Don't be mistaken - I am not arguing here. I just genuinely want to comprehend the difference and intricacies fo those words, so I can use them better.

Does it have something to do with "piss" being a more noun-worthy word than "pee" which is more verb-like perhaps?

 

[stellataylor]

I mean... I personally liked "pee hole" terminology. Yes, I guess not least because it sounds innocent.

I wonder if there's such difference between "pee hole" and "piss hole" for the native listener? Several people have told me to rather call it "piss hole".

Don't be mistaken - I am not arguing here. I just genuinely want to comprehend the difference and intricacies fo those words, so I can use them better.

Does it have something to do with "piss" being a more noun-worthy word than "pee" which is more verb-like perhaps?

"Pee" is the most appropriate, family-friendly, non-medical word for urine. Most people who say "pee" are children or people who are, yes, using it as a casual verb ("I gotta go pee").

"Piss" is technically, in a lot of households, a swear word. I think it appeals to more people in erotica because it's a dirtier word. You would never tell your boss "I gotta piss" at the company meeting, because it's inappropriate.

I personally like to read innocent-sounding characters who use more pure/appropriate language. If you want to write "pee-hole" then go for it, but just keep in mind that it is inherently innocent-sounding -- not something a grown adult would say seductively.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I think a lot of it is geographic as well. We are willing to acknowledge accents; vocabulary is equally diverse. For instance, ‘fanny’ is a word in my region one might teach one’s toddler for a person’s posterior region. In the UK, I gather, it is a decidedly rude word for female genitalia. The word ‘arse’ is pretty rare where I come from but, as noted, in common usage elsewhere.

Don’t sweat the small stuff.

 

[vanmyers86]

Before I say anything, a little context. I'm from the U.S. Before I started reading and writing on Lit, I had never encountered the term "pee hole." That's not en erotic area for me, so it's unlikely it would ever figure in one of my stories.

If you're talking about the male urethra, perhaps in the context of a lover performing oral, you might mention a tongue working over the slit, since that's what it looks like and people would know what you're describing.

Otherwise, I got nothin'. I"ll be interested to see what others have to contribute.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think context and character make all the difference. Think about what your characters would say.

 

[yukonnights]

You could also tinker with the way you write the 'sounding play'. By that I mean, maybe you don't have to reference the 'hole' by any term.

"Okay Bob, just relax. I'm gonna stick this electrode in there just like we've discussed. Trust me, you'll love it once you just let go and surrender."

I closed my eyes and tried to do as I was told. My cock told me I really did want to surrender to her ... just relax ... just do as she says ... oh god, she's pushing it in!

I usually write butt, butt-hole. I usually write pee, as in; 'I need to pee'. I seldom use medical terms for the sexy bits (except sometimes labia). For sound play, that medical term would be the urethra meatus (the slit at the end of the penis).

Anyway, I'd probably write this with more emotion description than detailed physical description.

 

[Nezhul]

Just to clarify - I'm mostly talking about female parts here.
Male's urethra is more heavily merged with the sex organ, and so it's easy to refer to. But female urethra is a separate hole that serves no other purpose than peeing (and maybe squirting).
So it kinda need to get referred to somehow.

While you can indeed make all sorts of word constructions about the cock - because it's the only hole that it has, so you can even go with just "hole" and none will be confused... For a girl, you kinda need to point out WHICH hole we are talking about. They're so close together that you kinda need to have a point of clarification.

 

[yukonnights]

Just to clarify - I'm mostly talking about female parts here.
Male's urethra is more heavily merged with the sex organ, and so it's easy to refer to. But female urethra is a separate hole that serves no other purpose than peeing (and maybe squirting).
So it kinda need to get referred to somehow.

While you can indeed make all sorts of word constructions about the cock - because it's the only hole that it has, so you can even go with just "hole" and none will be confused... For a girl, you kinda need to point out WHICH hole we are talking about. They're so close together that you kinda need to have a point of clarification.

Well, that makes it a little harder I've scanned quite a few online sources to help you out on this — the best thing I've seen is "pee hole" You might could get creative and write something to the effect; 'It was kind of strange to be ignoring the hole I've become addicted to, but getting the sound into her small hole was taking all my attention.' Or, just stick with 'pee hole'. That doesn't sound childish to me — 'pee pee hole' would sound childish though.

Fine mess you got yourself into now Nezhul

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Fine mess you got yourself into now Nezhul.

Yeah! This is all your fault.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Just to clarify - I'm mostly talking about female parts here.
Male's urethra is more heavily merged with the sex organ, and so it's easy to refer to. But female urethra is a separate hole that serves no other purpose than peeing (and maybe squirting).
So it kinda need to get referred to somehow.

While you can indeed make all sorts of word constructions about the cock - because it's the only hole that it has, so you can even go with just "hole" and none will be confused... For a girl, you kinda need to point out WHICH hole we are talking about. They're so close together that you kinda need to have a point of clarification.

It sounds like you're writing (at least in this instance) with a pretty specific kink in mind. My guess is that folks who engage in that kink regularly have a terminology that they're used to using in that context. If, in your experience, that terminology leans toward "pee hole", then stick with that. You're looking for something your readers will recognize and will help them stay in the mood for the kink.

If you're not sure what the terminology is, then scan other stories that deal with that kink, or search for more general information. It may help you figure it out.

Whatever you decide, remember that it's your writing. If your audio reader has a personal objection or aversion to that phrase, then I'd advocate you keep the phrase and explain the reason for it to the reader. If the reader is familiar with the kink, then I'd give their objectin more weight.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they're worth.

 

[Nezhul]

It sounds like you're writing (at least in this instance) with a pretty specific kink in mind.

Actually, why not, I'll explain the scene in more detail.

This is a non-con machine submission story. The girl gets put into a pleasuring device to be tormented by it forever - and by tormented I mean made to cum over and over.
Her body is modified, brain re-wired to experience pleasure faster and stronger. Among other things, this includes nerve endings being put into her urethra so she can orgasm from stimulation there.

The character herself does not have that kind of fetish. That's why when the vibrating rod is put in there, she screams (albeit in her thoughts) : "Nooo! Not my pee hole! I don't want!... Not there!"

Basically in this instance the character is not versed in any watersports or urethral play at all. So she just refers to a part of her body casually.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they're worth.

Thank you. It was actually good advice - somehow I hadn't even considered trying to check out appropriate stories or read up on the fetish. Perhaps because the character itself wasn't a fetishist.

And thank you for everyone else who contributed - your insight is great.

 

[JamesMiehoff]

I think Belle hit it on the head. My advise is very much like hers. Go and research what is the common terminology for that niche of sex players. I know there are a number of devices that are inserted into both male and female urethras. It is not something I've ever cared to experience, so I wouldn't know the nuances of what those practitioners would use for terminology. But I'll bet Google would.

James

 

[Nezhul]

I found that it's often called "peehole" as a single word.

 

[yukonnights]

I found that it's often called "peehole" as a single word.

In my research for you, I read that; While men do not usually orgasm from sounding, females do. The pee-hole is close to the clitoris, the location has more nerve endings in general. So, you may want to check and see if implanted nerves are really needed. But hey, maybe more nerve ending would be better

Just another thought; If she is going to be in a clinical setting for all of this, maybe the proper medical term should be used — at least by the doctors?

 

[Misshotndeep]

It's called sounding. Not my thing but that is the term for the act of sticking things in one's urethra for pleasure.

 

[Nezhul]

Just another thought; If she is going to be in a clinical setting for all of this, maybe the proper medical term should be used — at least by the doctors?

Not a medical setting.
Also, even if it was medical - if she's herself not medically-predisposed, it wouldn't matter.

I won't spoil the story, but I hope to get it up next week when the VO will be ready.