Remember: it's no longer "President Trump" - it's "Impeached President Trump"

[ericandshannon]

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[RoryN]

^^
The only time the above poster appears on the GB is to suck Trump's cock.

Imagine that...the only time.

 

[KeithD]

19 minutes after Trump was sworn in the Washington Post ran an article on impeachment....Imagine that...19 minutes...

Shows how smart the Washington Post is--although people were talking about how long it would take to impeach Trump even while he was still running for the job. That wasn't because they were dumb; it was because it isn't that hard to figure out who and what Donald Trump was/is/was going to be in the job. Only Trumpettes were too dumb to figure out he would get himself impeached--not that anyone would drum up a reason--that he was such an idiot and so corrupt and criminal that he would get himself impeached. Didn't take a stable genius to see that coming.

 

[ericandshannon]

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[KeithD]

Originally Posted by Carnal_Flower_Vera_Bad_Babysitter_BettyPoop View Post
Wrong. It was because he held up aid to do it covertly.

In fact if you watched the hearings, several D reps said Go ahead and investigate--LEGALLY. Just don't break the law and jeapordize national security.


What’s covertly? Recorded conversation covertly

Or shit ton of cash loaded on to plane in the middle of the night covertly?

Maybe it's refusing to acknowledge whose money it was to begin with. Could it be that, guy and gal?

 

[ericandshannon]

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[ericandshannon]

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[RoryN]

dumb ass...your a lier.

It's been a fun day on here!

 

[ericandshannon]

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[KeithD]

But why the secrecy.

And the aid to Ukraine is my money.

Ah, I assumed from the slant of your posts that you were still whining about giving Iran back its impounded money during the deal that successfully had their nuclear program stopped until Trump blundered along.

The Ukraine money? It was "our" money (and I'm willing to bet more mine than yours) that Congress legally assigned to go to our ally Ukraine to help protect them from Trump's master, Russia, and that Trump illegally (according to a GAO judgment) withheld, treating it like it was just his personal money to use to trash a political opponent, sort of like when he threw a charity event for veterans and kept the money for himself until the courts told him to give it back and closed down his fake charity that he was stealing from--like they closed down his fake university that he used to scam a lot of folks--and was forced to give $35 million back that he stole from them.

Interesting how that spins out?

Incidentally, how old are you? How much school have you had? Do you read at a grade 4.6 level like Donald Trump does?

 

[KeithD]

It's been a fun day on here!

Yes, I didn't even see that before asking good ole Eric if he had a grade 4.6 vocabulary like Donald Trump did.

(I think it might be time for Shannon to tell Eric to stop embarrassing her, shut his pie hole, and do the dishes.)

 

[Conager]

Did Congress approve lethal aid for Obama to hold back? I’m not sure that happened.

What part of "would not even consider" led you to believe that I was asserting that the Obama State Department had even requested much less pushed for "boatloads of Federal money" for the lethal aid that Obama would not even consider to be approved in order for Obama to withhold it?

What I was saying was that Obama would not even consider sending lethal assistance of any sort to Ukraine for any amount of money.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

We're talking 391 mill Trump stole from Congress, violating the impound act. It was legally appropriated and earmarked for Ukraine. Did Obama steal aid given to Ukraine by Congress to cheat in his election?

Apples and oranges. Different points in the war, different strategies, different Administration in Ukraine. THat's called Whataboutism. And yes, Obama not sending aid at that time is not worse than Trump fucking over ZELINSKY in THIS point in time, ie after what Russia did in 2016.

It was not merely "delayed." It was illegally taken, then freed up once he got caught.

Are we talking the lethal aid that Obama would not even consider sending?

Since you obviously care deeply about the Ukrainians and their safety, welfare, and security, which caused you the most concern? Obama not sending the aid at all or Trump delaying, then sending the aid?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Not considering sending aid is totally different than illegally stealing aid for a corrupt purpose.

What part of "would not even consider" led you to believe that I was asserting that the Obama State Department had even requested much less pushed for "boatloads of Federal money" for the lethal aid that Obama would not even consider to be approved in order for Obama to withhold it?

What I was saying was that Obama would not even consider sending lethal assistance of any sort to Ukraine for any amount of money.

 

[phrodeau]

What part of "would not even consider" led you to believe that I was asserting that the Obama State Department had even requested much less pushed for "boatloads of Federal money" for the lethal aid that Obama would not even consider to be approved in order for Obama to withhold it?

What I was saying was that Obama would not even consider sending lethal assistance of any sort to Ukraine for any amount of money.

I see now. Obama’s plan was to provide blankets and meals to Ukraine, so he got Congress to approve funding, then delivered them. Trump’s plan was to get Congress to approve funding for “anti-tank busters,” then to not deliver them to Ukraine. One plan got them blankets and meals, and the other plan got them squat.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Jeebus.

The struggle yap for Cheeto from the usual schmuck-spects (along with the johnny-come-latelys) was skrong today, wasn't it?

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19 minutes after Trump was sworn in the Washington Post ran an article on impeachment....Imagine that...19 minutes...

n-n-ni-nuh-NINETEEN MINUTES?!?!?!?

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h-h-hold me, Eric! or...Shannon!

or...I guess...the both of you? How does that work, exactly? Are you sharing this one account individually at different schedules, or are you two online at the same time and are alternating fingers on the keyboard?

or...just asking, now...are you a pair of co-joined twins, like Chang and Eng?

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[KeithD]

I don’t think trump is s great guy, he’s a ass. He’s not perfect or even close. I don’t agree with everything that he does. But he’s our president and unless you have a blindfold on you can’t say
He’s being treated fairly.

Trump lost any part of an "unfair" treatment the moment he acknowledged guilt by stonewalling government officials testifying to the House and requested documents provided to the House. When he did this he verified the charge of obstruction of Congress. The Senate Republicans are also outrageous in the coverup attempt to claim the House should have gathered all of the evidence itself. The House was prevented to do this precisely because Trump was being guilty of obstruction of Congress. He was doing the crime he was charged with right out in the open.

 

[icanhelp1]

Not considering sending aid is totally different than illegally stealing aid for a corrupt purpose.

First off! I don't think you understand the concept or definition of the Impoundment Control Act of 1984. The purpose was to stop a president or any government official from diverting congressionally appropriated funds from its intended target customer or failure to allocate those fund period.

The president didn't steal anything, that's a ridiculous and ignorant statement.

Holding back aid for assurance that the american people's money will not be squandered by corruption is within the purview of the executive branch and the OMB. Zelensky was a newly elected president, it was a prudent measure for Trump to assure the American people of his fight with corruption The aid was released within the parameters of the fiscal spending deadline.

The house Dems are attempting to prosecute intent, the " he released funding because he got caught" strategy, No discussion of Quid Pro Quo. If witnesses are brought before the senate trial the WB will perhaps be the first.

The nine page document from the WB is more of a well constructed conspiratorial attempt. They were spying on the president of the U.S. for a considerable period of time in an attempt to damage his presidency.

Pure assumption on my part, but reading the 9 page document consisted of 2nd and 3rd hand accounts by people with a specific agenda and was obviously prepared by a legal specialist prior to reaching the ICIG which seems to indicate the lack of following the proper handling of classified material protocol.

The WB's political affiliation and previous work relationship with the previous VP Biden closely mirrors the same MO as Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe used during the Mueller investigation.

It wouldn't surprise me to find Andrew Weissmann's fingerprints are all over this 9 page document. I hope the WB document is cross examined during the senate trial, I'm very interested in what initiated probable cause for such a document. Under regulation 50 USC 3033 (k)(5)(A) The complaint will be directed to the ICIG first for review and followed up with the appropriate actions and submitted to the house and senate IC's for review.

My question is, why wasn't Vindman the whistleblower in the first place?

Trump's dialogue with Zelensky was troubling in some aspects, poor choice of words in some instances, but to infer that Trump's intent was to interfere with Biden's prospect as a 2020 presidential candidate or that Trump found Biden a threat to his presidency is unprovable on its face and doesn't meet the criteria of high crimes and misdemeanors. However, Hunter Biden holding a seat on Burisma While VP Biden was Obama's representative on all things Ukraine is quite a conflict of interest, one that Dems are quick to gloss over. Combine that with VP Biden's public statement of a Quid Pro Quo, refusing the Ukraine 1 billion dollars of aid if Shokin wasn't fired. Appropriated funds denied by the Obama Admin seems to be in direct violation of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. It seems the Dems want it both ways.

 

[phrodeau]

But, but... Hunter Biden!

Anybody notice what Jared Kushner has been up to?

 

[heathergives]

https://www.21cir.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/hunter-biden.jpg

 

[cowslinger64]

First off!

Everything after that was more garbage.

What about this is so fuckin hard for you to understand?

WASHINGTON – The White House budget office violated federal law when it withheld funds that Congress appropriated to provide security assistance for Ukraine, a nonpartisan government watchdog concluded.

The Government Accountability Office said in a report released Thursday that the White House Office of Management and Budget did not have the authority to withhold the money under the federal Impoundment Control Act, which governs Congress' role in the budget process.

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the report says. "OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted" under the law.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-white-house-budget-office-152317552.html

 

[cowslinger64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Office


The Government Accountability Office (GAO) is a legislative branch government agency that provides auditing, evaluation, and investigative services for the United States Congress.[2] It is the supreme audit institution of the federal government of the United States. It identifies its core "mission values" as: accountability, integrity, and reliability.[3]

Work of GAO is done at the request of congressional committees or subcommittees or is mandated by public laws or committee reports. It also undertakes research under the authority of the Comptroller General. It supports congressional oversight by:

auditing agency operations to determine whether federal funds are being spent efficiently and effectively;
investigating allegations of illegal and improper activities;
reporting on how well government programs and policies are meeting their objectives;
performing policy analyses and outlining options for congressional consideration;
issuing legal decisions and opinions;
advising Congress and the heads of executive agencies about ways to make government more efficient and effective.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Everything after that was more garbage.

What about this is so fuckin hard for you to understand?

WASHINGTON – The White House budget office violated federal law when it withheld funds that Congress appropriated to provide security assistance for Ukraine, a nonpartisan government watchdog concluded.

The Government Accountability Office said in a report released Thursday that the White House Office of Management and Budget did not have the authority to withhold the money under the federal Impoundment Control Act, which governs Congress' role in the budget process.

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the report says. "OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted" under the law.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/watchdog-white-house-budget-office-152317552.html

No such thing as non-partisan.

And if it's such a violation then how come every POTUS going all the way back to AT LEAST the Truman administration, hasn't been held accountable??

POTUS dangling funding in front of foreign nations for policy reasons has been the norm for 80 fucking years.

What about this is so fuckin hard for you to understand?

Go ahead and name call B'ama....we all know that's all you've got.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Cite another example, if there's so many.

No such thing as non-partisan.

And if it's such a violation then how come every POTUS going all the way back to AT LEAST the Truman administration, hasn't been held accountable??

POTUS dangling funding in front of foreign nations for policy reasons has been the norm for 80 fucking years.

What about this is so fuckin hard for you to understand?

Go ahead and name call B'ama....we all know that's all you've got.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Cite another example, if there's so many.

The war on drugs....weapons and money were dangled in front of Colombia, Mexico, the Philippines and many others to change their drug policies from LBJ to Bush 44.

Obama flies money to Iran in the middle of the night to get a "deal" done, more likely he's just supporting (D) allies in their campaign to destroy the USA as it's been known for 243 years now.

Kennedy....cut Cuba and it's progressive government off so hard it essentially became a Soviet satellite state nobody but our enemies (foreign progressives) would even talk to, because we threatened their money flow too.

Reagan and the Contras....again money and weapons to push policy agendas.

The only POTUS's I think MIGHT be clean is Eisenhower. Wouldn't be shocked to find out he used money/weapons to do some shit somewhere along the way.

Everyone else was all about using money/weapons to push their policy agendas, because it works.