Remember: it's no longer "President Trump" - it's "Impeached President Trump"

[coati]

I'm not sure why you come down on Andrew Johnson equally as hard as on Donald Trump. It's true he was a southern slave owner, not freeing his slaves back in Tennessee, even though he was vice president, until half way through the Civil War. But he hardly was unique for the times in that.

He was impeached by the same radical Republican faction that probably would have impeached Lincoln if Lincoln had lived.

Your comment projects modern-day interpretations on the post-Civil War Republican Party. The partisan terms "Republican" and "Democrat" had different platforms back then than they do now, and America's original sin involved both parties. Here is an account of Johnson:

"Johnson implemented his own form of Presidential Reconstruction – a series of proclamations directing the seceded states to hold conventions and elections to reform their civil governments. When Southern states returned many of their old leaders, and passed Black Codes to deprive the freedmen of many civil liberties, Congressional Republicans refused to seat legislators from those states and advanced legislation to overrule the Southern actions. Johnson vetoed their bills, and Congressional Republicans overrode him, setting a pattern for the remainder of his presidency.

Johnson opposed the Fourteenth Amendment, which gave citizenship to former slaves. In 1866, Johnson went on an unprecedented national tour promoting his executive policies, seeking to break Republican opposition."​

The Republicans went on to try to impeach him under the unrelated Tenure act, because there were no laws back then against treating slaves like dirt. Johnson escaped conviction in the Senate by one vote.

Don't confuse the Deplorable Cult of today with the Republican Party post-Civil War.

 

[coati]

Trump would be convicted by almost any other Senate than the current ultra-partisan Republican one. They have utterly shirked their responsibility as an equal branch of the government in favor of providing partisan cover the biggest disgrace to ever sit in the oval office.

You can spew all the bullshit you want. That is what history will say.

History will also remember that almost the entire Republican Party became cult-like in their adoption of Trump's methods for the resolute and consistent denial of facts.

This mass psychosis involves an entire political party abandoning ethics, all based on their observation that Trump was rewarded by a rabid base for denying every accusation ever made against him, while substituting lies to address the accusations.

Basically, the entire Republican Party said, "Hey, if it works for him and it keeps him in power, maybe it will work for me, also."

We'll see how long this psychotic bubble lasts. Denying facts is like denying the laws of physics when you are flying a plane.

 

[RocketLauncher]

 

[Rightguide]

You sure about this?

Pretty sure. The Democrats have ruined their brand and exposed themselves as open enemies of at least 63 million Americans and the Constitution itself with this political charade.

 

[Rightguide]

Ken Starr and Alan Dershowitz just joined the Trump defense team. They will make idiots out of the Democrats.

 

[jomar]

Pretty sure. The Democrats have ruined their brand and exposed themselves as open enemies of at least 63 million Americans and the Constitution itself with this political charade.

So Clinton's impeachment was groundless and a political charade?

 

[RoryN]

So Clinton's impeachment was groundless and a political charade?

https://i.imgur.com/ITOop0O.jpg

 

[RoryN]

https://i.imgur.com/ITOop0O.jpg

 

[Rightguide]

So Clinton's impeachment was groundless and a political charade?

No, Clinton's impeachment investigation actually identified 11 felony violations of specific federal laws.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Not sure about that.

Republican Senators are responding to Republicans. Watergate only turned when public disapproval among Rs plummeted, not because they suddenly grew a conscience.

The problem isn't Senators, it's who they represent, the stupid half of the U.S. If Trmpettes suddenly turned (ha ha ha ha) it'd be a different story.

Trump would be convicted by almost any other Senate than the current ultra-partisan Republican one. They have utterly shirked their responsibility as an equal branch of the government in favor of providing partisan cover the biggest disgrace to ever sit in the oval office.

You can spew all the bullshit you want. That is what history will say.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump would be convicted by almost any other Senate than the current ultra-partisan Republican one. They have utterly shirked their responsibility as an equal branch of the government in favor of providing partisan cover the biggest disgrace to ever sit in the oval office.

You can spew all the bullshit you want. That is what history will say.

Actually, Trump will be acquitted by a non partisan vote.

 

[zipman]

Not sure about that.

Republican Senators are responding to Republicans. Watergate only turned when public disapproval among Rs plummeted, not because they suddenly grew a conscience.

The problem isn't Senators, it's who they represent, the stupid half of the U.S. If Trmpettes suddenly turned (ha ha ha ha) it'd be a different story.

It's not about his base, it's about independents. His base has shown that there is nothing that he could do that would cause them to against him.

 

[Rightguide]

Ken Starr, Alan Dershowitz join Trump’s impeachment defense team
Adam Shaw
By Adam Shaw, John Roberts | Fox News

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-dershowitz-join-trumps-impeachment-defense-team

 

[Rightguide]

It's not about his base, it's about independents. His base has shown that there is nothing that he could do that would cause them to against him.

Nearly half of his Rally attendees identify as Democrat and independents. Posted the article yesterday.

 

[zipman]

Nearly half of his Rally attendees identify as Democrat and independents. Posted the article yesterday.

You mean the one from Red State? The one with quotes from Trumps campaign?

Talk about fake news.

I mean who in their right mind would believe a word that Trump or his campaign have to say considering their record of lying?

 

[Rightguide]

You mean the one from Red State? The one with quotes from Trumps campaign?

Talk about fake news.

I mean who in their right mind would believe a word that Trump or his campaign have to say considering their record of lying?

With less than a normal IQ, not you it seems.

 

[zipman]

With less than a normal IQ, not you it seems.

Go ahead and believe the man who has told over 12,000 lies or misstatements in the past three years.

That just makes you look like a moron.

 

[RoryN]

Nearly half of his Rally attendees identify as Democrat and independents.

^^^^
Dumbest Post of the Month...but the month is young.

 

[jomar]

No, Clinton's impeachment investigation actually identified 11 felony violations of specific federal laws.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rightguide View Post
Which means nothing if acquitted. If [Trump is] acquitted it only means the "impeachment" was groundless.

Ok, so you misspoke in the above comment? Can't have it both ways.

 

[zipman]

^^^^
Dumbest Post of the Month...but the month is young.

Much like Trump, they just double and triple down on stupidity.

 

[Rightguide]

Ok, so you misspoke in the above comment? Can't have it both ways.

I didn't misspeak. The Clinton "impeachment" at this point is groundless, meaning it's purpose was defeated by the United States Senate. The difference between Clinton and Trump's impeachment situation is that Trump has not been charged with a specific crime and when he is acquitted his impeachment will be just as groundless. It wasn't too long ago your side was trying to tell us the House proceeding was like a "Grand Jury" proceeding, but I might remind you that if an indicted person is subsequently found not guilty, he/she isn't considered "Indicted for life."

 

[jaF0]

'rump has not been charged with a specific crime and when he is acquitted his impeachment will be ...

... in the History books forever as the only (R) to this date to have that footnote.

 

[icanhelp1]

I didn't misspeak. The Clinton "impeachment" at this point is groundless, meaning it's purpose was defeated by the United States Senate. The difference between Clinton and Trump's impeachment situation is that Trump has not been charged with a specific crime and when he is acquitted his impeachment will be just as groundless. It wasn't too long ago your side was trying to tell us the House proceeding was like a "Grand Jury" proceeding, but I might remind you that if an indicted person is subsequently found not guilty, he/she isn't considered "Indicted for life."

How are posters expanding the page? Who does that and why?

 

[Rightguide]

Go ahead and believe the man who has told over 12,000 lies or misstatements in the past three years.

That just makes you look like a moron.

Go ahead and continue posting phony facts and reinforcing your malignant partisanship. My opinions have nothing to do with believing the man, it's about not believing the phony accusations of the Democrats and their media propagandists. It's about understanding the illegal conspiracy to disenfranchise 63 million American voters and the lies and felonious actions that support it. It's about your ignorance and performance as a useful idiot in the cause. It's about your gullibility in accepting as true demonstrable lies and projections such as, Russiagate, Spygate, Stormygate, Muellergate, Flynngate, ad nauseam. It's about you and your comrades not being fair minded or amenable to the truth out of simple blind hatred.

 

[Rightguide]

How are posters expanding the page? Who does that and why?