Remember: it's no longer "President Trump" - it's "Impeached President Trump"

[RoryN]

After Impeached President Trump...

FYP. YW.

 

[Conager]

I am sure that Impeached President Trump will be pleased that history will place him in the company of Wrongly Impeached* President Johnson rather than with constitutionally valid proceedings initiated against sure to be Impeached President Nixon, ought to have been Impeached President Obama and quite justifiably Impeached President Clinton.

The Dems miscalculated badly that they thought they could drum him out of office Nixon Style. They were quite sure that Trump would never release the transcript and that was going to be the basis for his removal. When he released the transcript anyway they stuttered and put together the hot mess that they did, called it impeachment, put a bow on it and passed out the golden pins.

The important thing is it really would have been a tragedy for this nation if we had had a second Impeached President Clinton because I think we can all agree that Hillary Clinton would have been even more eager to violate the rule of law than her husband was.

*The law that he was impeached for violating (Tenure of Office Act) was later found to be unconstitutional. Also in exactly the opposite fashion of the Trump impeachment the removal from office was held in abeyance by a strong Republican majority that could easily have moved to remove him from office and would have preferred to do so. They did not do so in an effort to protect the office of the presidency for future generation. Something that modern Democrats have no respect for at all unless of course their guy is in the White House.

 

[coati]

I am sure that Impeached President Trump will be pleased that history will place him in the company of Wrongly Impeached* President Johnson rather than with constitutionally valid proceedings initiated against sure to be Impeached President Nixon, ought to have been Impeached President Obama and quite justifiably Impeached President Clinton.

So glad to see that you put Impeached President Trump in the same category as Impeached President Johnson, because they both have so much in common:

Both were the only two Presidents to be impeached in their first term, and both desired to run for President after being impeached.

Both were inarticulate and poorly educated, which was reflected in long rambling speeches that were the subject of ridicule.

Both were only popular among a limited base that was focused on depriving the rights of specific groups. In Johnson's case, he disregarded the dignity and human rights of post-Civil War slaves. In Trump's case, he disregarded the dignity and human rights of immigrant groups.

Both based their politics in large part on exploiting fear and divisions within American society.

Johnson is widely mentioned as one of America's worst Presidents. Trump is giving him a run for that title.
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Thanks, Que, for focusing some attention on this important correlation between two impeached Presidents.

 

[Conager]

So glad to see that you put Impeached President Trump in the same category as Impeached President Johnson, because they both have so much in common:

Both were the only two Presidents to be impeached in their first term, and both desired to run for President after being impeached.

Both were inarticulate and poorly educated, which was reflected in long rambling speeches that were the subject of ridicule.

Both were only popular among a limited base that was focused on depriving the rights of specific groups. In Johnson's case, he disregarded the dignity and human rights of post-Civil War slaves. In Trump's case, he disregarded the dignity and human rights of immigrant groups.

Both based their politics in large part on exploiting fear and divisions within American society.

Johnson is widely mentioned as one of America's worst Presidents. Trump is giving him a run for that title.
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Thanks, Que, for focusing some attention on this important correlation between two impeached Presidents.

. . .and only one of them was impeached on a strictly partisan basis, only one of them was afforded due process, and only one of them had an impeachment where the opposition party cared more about the office, the constitution, and the country than "winning."

You partisan hacks are actually of the Schiff-show of an imoeachnent.

Let's hope that Republicans in the future are not foolish enough to go down the path laid out by someone as stupid as Schiff. Every president past and future could be impeached on the basis of the Schiff/Nadler definition of "obstruction of Congress" leaving aside that the entire concept of the co-equal executive branch being subject to unlimited discovery according to the whims of Congress.

This nonsense in the Ukraine is certainly not nearly as problematic as say walking guns into another sovereign country and lying about it.

Hell, Iran-Contra would have had a stronger footing.

 

[Heathergave]

Still impeached?

 

[coati]

. . .and only one of them was impeached on a strictly partisan basis, only one of them was afforded due process, and only one of them had an impeachment where the opposition party cared more about the office, the constitution, and the country than "winning."

You partisan hacks are actually of the Schiff-show of an imoeachnent.

Let's hope that Republicans in the future are not foolish enough to go down the path laid out by someone as stupid as Schiff. Every president past and future could be impeached on the basis of the Schiff/Nadler definition of "obstruction of Congress" leaving aside that the entire concept of the co-equal executive branch being subject to unlimited discovery according to the whims of Congress.

This nonsense in the Ukraine is certainly not nearly as problematic as say walking guns into another sovereign country and lying about it.

Hell, Iran-Contra would have had a stronger footing.

Kool story, bro.

Deplorables have all suddenly become Fox & Friends legal experts, spouting out all sorts of diarrhea and forgetting that impeachment is essentially driven by a judgement call by a majority of Representatives on whether an abuse of power has taken place.

This impeached President will probably not be removed from office, due to the politics in the House of Lords, but history will remember his corruption and divisiveness, and he will likely end up in the same bag as Andrew Johnson. They deserve each other.

Thanks again for drawing attention this important comparison between two racist and highly divisive impeached Presidents.

 

[Rightguide]

Still impeached?

Which means nothing if acquitted. If acquitted it only means the "impeachment" was groundless.

 

[Conager]

That's a lot of words to indicate that you can't refute a single thing that I said.

History will not be at all kind to this impeachment effort. There's not a chance in hell it will be seen as some noble effort or even remotely valid.

As Nancy pointed out the entire point of the exercise was as the thread title indicates just so they could call him impeached president Trump. Any president could wear that label if any Congress was as openly partisan as this one is.

Now we move to the Senate where Chuck Schumer openly admits that acquittal is a foregone conclusion but he intends to win by tarnishing Republican Senators.

It's cute that you all seem to think that light weights like Schiff & Nadler aren't going to be decimated by actual sitting US senators. Many of whom had active an effective law careers before becoming Senators. They're going to look like the amateurs that they are.

 

[Rightguide]

That's a lot of words to indicate that you can't refute a single thing that I said.

History will not be at all kind to this impeachment effort. There's not a chance in hell it will be seen as some noble effort or even remotely valid.

As Nancy pointed out the entire point of the exercise was as the thread title indicates just so they could call him impeached president Trump. Any president could wear that label if any Congress was as openly partisan as this one is.

Now we move to the Senate where Chuck Schumer openly admits that acquittal is a foregone conclusion but he intends to win by tarnishing Republican Senators.

It's cute that you all seem to think that light weights like Schiff & Nadler aren't going to be decimated by actual sitting US senators. Many of whom had active an effective law careers before becoming Senators. They're going to look like the amateurs that they are.

Somebody pointed out that Jeopardy put up Schiff's picture last night and none of the brainy contestants could Identify him. That in itself probably loosened more than one Democrats bowels in the House.

 

[RoryN]

Still impeached?

Yes.

Despite absolutely everything they said, yes.

And legitimately so. Forever.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes.

Despite absolutely everything they said, yes.

And legitimately so. Forever.

So if an innocent person is indicted for a crime he didn't commit and is subsequently found not guilty, is he forever indicted?

 

[phrodeau]

Somebody pointed out that Jeopardy put up Schiff's picture last night and none of the brainy contestants could Identify him. That in itself probably loosened more than one Democrats bowels in the House.

Trump knows who Schiff is, and has shown us all the abject fear he has of Schiff.

With Pelosi, Trump is a scared schoolboy. With Schiff, Trump is a terrified, incoherent puddle.

 

[phrodeau]

So if an innocent person is indicted for a crime he didn't commit and is subsequently found not guilty, is he forever indicted?

Has Bill Clinton been unimpeached yet?

 

[RoryN]

So if an innocent person is indicted for a crime he didn't commit and is subsequently found not guilty, is he forever indicted?

1. Yes. Are you really that stupid? LOL!

2. This is about the impeachment of a President. Apples and oranges.

Has Bill Clinton been unimpeached yet?

^^^
This.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump knows who Schiff is, and has shown us all the abject fear he has of Schiff.

With Pelosi, Trump is a scared schoolboy. With Schiff, Trump is a terrified, incoherent puddle.

Where the fuck have you been? Trump has demolished them both. Schiff in wild eyed fear and Pelosi stuttering along in non compos mentis.

 

[Rightguide]

1. Yes. Are you really that stupid? LOL!

2. This is about the impeachment of a President. Apples and oranges.



^^^
This.

Last week you bird brains were trying to tell us the House hearing was a grand jury...numb nuts.

 

[KeithD]

and he will likely end up in the same bag as Andrew Johnson. They deserve each other.

Thanks again for drawing attention this important comparison between two racist and highly divisive impeached Presidents.

I'm not sure why you come down on Andrew Johnson equally as hard as on Donald Trump. It's true he was a southern slave owner, not freeing his slaves back in Tennessee, even though he was vice president, until half way through the Civil War. But he hardly was unique for the times in that.

He was impeached by the same radical Republican faction that probably would have impeached Lincoln if Lincoln had lived. Lincoln formulated a lenient reconstruction plan for the South for after the war and tried to do his damnedest to get rid of the Secretary of War, Stanton, who was a thorn in his side and leader of an opposition radical Republican faction (and who has been suggested in the past as having been involved in the Lincoln assassination plot). All Andrew Johnson did beside being an inconvenient Democratic Party southerner in the White House at the end of the Civil War with a Congress under revenge-minded Republican control was to continue with Lincoln's lenient reconstruction plan and veto a law written specifically to keep Stanton in his War Department position (a law later struck down as unconstitutional).

I think Trump is a hell of a lot more deserving of being bounced than Johnson was. Trump actually is corrupt, criminal, and treasonous--and, on the grounds Clinton was impeached, is a sleaze bag on steroids compared to Clinton's inability to keep his zipper up and mouth from lying.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You can come up with a different reason every day and it doesn't matter. Lardo is still impeached.

That's a lot of words to indicate that you can't refute a single thing that I said.

History will not be at all kind to this impeachment effort. There's not a chance in hell it will be seen as some noble effort or even remotely valid.

As Nancy pointed out the entire point of the exercise was as the thread title indicates just so they could call him impeached president Trump. Any president could wear that label if any Congress was as openly partisan as this one is.

Now we move to the Senate where Chuck Schumer openly admits that acquittal is a foregone conclusion but he intends to win by tarnishing Republican Senators.

It's cute that you all seem to think that light weights like Schiff & Nadler aren't going to be decimated by actual sitting US senators. Many of whom had active an effective law careers before becoming Senators. They're going to look like the amateurs that they are.

 

[RoryN]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=91112641&highlight=Inter_Ned#post91112641

One time, this member, Inter_Ned
Tried to post on the General Board instead.
He cried like a baby
And realized, maybe
He should go back to a Playground thread.

^^^
This is why I live rent-free in his...head.

 

[KeithD]

Is that how you refer to Slick Willie?

Most of us don't refer to Bill Clinton at all. Most of us have dumped him from any sort of consideration. You probably should give that more thought than you give your assumptions.

 

[Conager]

Trump knows who Schiff is, and has shown us all the abject fear he has of Schiff.

With Pelosi, Trump is a scared schoolboy. With Schiff, Trump is a terrified, incoherent puddle.

Contempt and righteous indignation are not fear, your fantasies about power notwithstanding.

 

[jaF0]

The only thing 'partisan' about this is the refusal of the w(R)ongs to vote based on facts, rather sticking to how they have been instructed to vote by their Imperious Leader Don L'Orange.

If the Senate could be expected to act based on the facts, Removal would be a foregone conclusion. But with Moscow Mitch and Lyin' Lindsay calling the shots and that whiney little bastard Ranny threatening others, well ....

 

[jomar]

Which means nothing if acquitted. If acquitted it only means the "impeachment" was groundless.

You sure about this?

 

[zipman]

That's a lot of words to indicate that you can't refute a single thing that I said.

History will not be at all kind to this impeachment effort. There's not a chance in hell it will be seen as some noble effort or even remotely valid.

As Nancy pointed out the entire point of the exercise was as the thread title indicates just so they could call him impeached president Trump. Any president could wear that label if any Congress was as openly partisan as this one is.

Now we move to the Senate where Chuck Schumer openly admits that acquittal is a foregone conclusion but he intends to win by tarnishing Republican Senators.

It's cute that you all seem to think that light weights like Schiff & Nadler aren't going to be decimated by actual sitting US senators. Many of whom had active an effective law careers before becoming Senators. They're going to look like the amateurs that they are.

Trump would be convicted by almost any other Senate than the current ultra-partisan Republican one. They have utterly shirked their responsibility as an equal branch of the government in favor of providing partisan cover the biggest disgrace to ever sit in the oval office.

You can spew all the bullshit you want. That is what history will say.

 

[jomar]

That's a lot of words to indicate that you can't refute a single thing that I said.

History will not be at all kind to this impeachment effort. There's not a chance in hell it will be seen as some noble effort or even remotely valid.

As Nancy pointed out the entire point of the exercise was as the thread title indicates just so they could call him impeached president Trump. Any president could wear that label if any Congress was as openly partisan as this one is.

Now we move to the Senate where Chuck Schumer openly admits that acquittal is a foregone conclusion but he intends to win by tarnishing Republican Senators.

It's cute that you all seem to think that light weights like Schiff & Nadler aren't going to be decimated by actual sitting US senators. Many of whom had active an effective law careers before becoming Senators. They're going to look like the amateurs that they are.

LOL! I also liked how you earlier said “lack of due process“ and “partisan hack job real Americans see this as.” You forget that trump won the electoral college by a mere 80,000 votes.

So let’s see what the senate does as history is watching. Will they let the truth come forth as other evidence surfaces and witnesses want to testify, or will they fail their oath and be judged by history as putting party over country, because the ball is in the senates court and if they fail to to their job that is what will happen.