How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[CandiCame]

So you're just assuming that?

Going by how he was described, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing Jesus would give a shit about, as long as what was said was honest and not cruel. He was kinda known for not caring about the shallow things that got everyone else throwing judgement, and instead got pissed off by people being money grubbing, arrogant, judgemental and cruel.

If he'd have read the bible he'd have got to the part where it said "piss" and it would make his whole argument funny as hell.

And if he'd actually studied the way language developed as it relates to Christianity he'd have gotten way more pissed off if I'd have said something like, "God's wounds!" or "Jesus Christ!" than "fuck".

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

When the bible says not to curse, it's literally saying not to put curses on people, like was the style at the time, because the Christian god won't follow through with them. Straight up. He won't do it and you'll look like a dumbass. So you're not supposed to say shit like, "This is true or may god strike me dead," because the Christian god ain't got time for your petty bullshit. This was really, really common in places that would later become the middle east; it differs from English in that the curses tend to be actual curses, "May something bad happen to you" instead of like, comparisons to animals "you scurvy dog/ you bitch" like what happened in Europe. It's also the most common kind of cursing in the bible, because that's the culture it's from, so in the middle ages as Christianity became popular in Europe, it actually started to get more common but then it fell out of favor because it just doesn't work that well in English. Our language isn't particularly set up for it. Because for whatever reason, it's more obvious that it's petty bullshit in English. English is just more active than a lot of Asian languages, likely because it evolved in a more individualist (rather than collectivist) culture.

If y'all are actually interested in this I recommend "Holy Shit" which is a book that walks through the religious cursing linguistic progression all the way from old English to contemporary English at the time of it's publication; and it's written by a linguistic historian so it's a great jumping off point.

I wanna bring back "God's Wounds".

The only real curse that was straight up forbidden in the bible that survives into contemporary English is "God damn -blank-." To fit the biblical ban it can't be, "Goddamn it," you have to be ordering god to damn something, because that's what the ban on cursing actually was. It's actually about the fact that you, a mortal, can't tell god to do anything. He's not gonna deal with your petty bullshit. But I think, "damn you" has fallen out of fashion so I'm trying to think of a time where this would actually fit the definition because as language evolved we replaced it with "fuck you"- and that originally appeared specifically as a replacement; to avoid doing the biblical thing because a fucking was originally an asswhooping, so when it came into fashion people were basically saying, "I'm not gonna tell god to whoop your ass because that's forbidden, but I'll sure as hell do it myself."

It's really interesting to me that the turn-of-phrase that was created to be LESS offensive, because according to the bible it straight up is, is now the one that is culturally considered more offensive. But that's just because I think language evolution is neat.

I think all language evolution is neat, not just the religious stuff. Like the kids are bringing back 'clod'. I thought it was just Bitesize but other kids are saying 'clod'. The first time she called me a clod I had to take a minute because like... to bring a word out of retirement to insult me was just such a power move. But then I realized it was a common thing the kids are doing because a cartoon used it to skirt censors when I THINK they wanted to say 'cunt'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxA1fbk4OS8

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you're just assuming that?

Going by how he was described, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing Jesus would give a shit about, as long as what was said was honest and not cruel. He was kinda known for not caring about the shallow things that got everyone else throwing judgement, and instead got pissed off by people being money grubbing, arrogant, judgemental and cruel.

No, I am not assuming that. Filthy conversation would include cursing, dirty jokes, ect.

2Pe 2:7 ¶ And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Peter swore and cursed when he denied Christ:

Mt 26:73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew. 75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

 

[dolf]

No, I am not assuming that. Filthy conversation would include cursing, dirty jokes, ect.

2Pe 2:7 ¶ And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Peter swore and cursed when he denied Christ:

Mt 26:73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew. 75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

So the filthy conversation would be calling someone a poopyhead, rather than (for example) locker room banter that sexually objectifies and violates women?

And Jesus sounds like he was saying that peter swore more when he lied... If he'd commented that hhe could tell when Peter was lying because he always wrings his hands when he lies, would you interpret that as hand wringing being a sin? Seriously, it just says that he swore under stress.

 

[dolf]

Also, thinking on what Candi said, could peter have actually been saying, "i swear on my mother's grave, may god strike me down!" rather than "i didn't fucking do it!"? Which would, as Candi points out, be more in keeping with the language use of the time/region.

 

[Tryharder62]

I don't think it is the specific words but what you are doing with them. You can google and there are many verses about Hope, Love, Life. Are you using your words to show those things to people?

I will let T-Mac sing what I mean......(One of my favorite singers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeBv9r92VQ0

Words are important. It is up to each person what they want people to hear.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So the filthy conversation would be calling someone a poopyhead, rather than (for example) locker room banter that sexually objectifies and violates women?

And Jesus sounds like he was saying that peter swore more when he lied... If he'd commented that hhe could tell when Peter was lying because he always wrings his hands when he lies, would you interpret that as hand wringing being a sin? Seriously, it just says that he swore under stress.

I don't think it would include calling someone a poopy head. I think it is referring to sinful conversation and cursing. I don't consider that sinful conversation to call someone a poopy head.

I think Jesus was upset about Peter swearing and denying that he knew Christ. Sinning under stress is not justification for sinning.

 

[dolf]

I don't think it would include calling someone a poopy head. I think it is referring to sinful conversation and cursing. I don't consider that sinful conversation to call someone a poopy head.

I think Jesus was upset about Peter swearing and denying that he knew Christ. Sinning under stress is not justification for sinning.

So the swearing is basically just your personal opinion.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So the swearing is basically just your personal opinion.

I don't think so. I think that cursing is a sin Biblically.

 

[dolf]

I don't think so. I think that cursing is a sin Biblically.

You think it. Your position on it looks pretty shaky to me though. And candi gives a perfectly reasonable explanation of how you're wrong. I think that if something mattered, they should have made damn sure they told everyone in plain and simple terms.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You think it. Your position on it looks pretty shaky to me though. And candi gives a perfectly reasonable explanation of how you're wrong. I think that if something mattered, they should have made damn sure they told everyone in plain and simple terms.

Where does she doe that? I think it has been told in plain and simple terms.

 

[dolf]

Where does she doe that? I think it has been told in plain and simple terms.

Are you bothering to read their posts?

 

[Tryharder62]

A little sad tonight. We took my youngest back to college and it is hard when their hearts are in turmoil. First loves are hard to let go even if you should. My oldest is going back to college on Sunday. He will be 21 this year.

My oldest got me hooked on Toby Mac the artist that I played in my last post. He recently lost his son who was 21. Can't even imagine it. He had a cardiac arrest and died. Autopsy is pending. He too had a heart in turmoil. He was very musical and had just had his first show.

My thoughts go out tonight to parents who have lost a child. Here is Toby's song, that he wrote, about his son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSV-pRGbg4k

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

A little sad tonight. We took my youngest back to college and it is hard when their hearts are in turmoil. First loves are hard to let go even if you should. My oldest is going back to college on Sunday. He will be 21 this year.

My oldest got me hooked on Toby Mac the artist that I played in my last post. He recently lost his son who was 21. Can't even imagine it. He had a cardiac arrest and died. Autopsy is pending. He too had a heart in turmoil. He was very musical and had just had his first show.

My thoughts go out tonight to parents who have lost a child. Here is Toby's song, that he wrote, about his son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSV-pRGbg4k

Sad. Thanks for sharing.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!

 

[dolf]

Happy Monday! Just be a decent person.

 

[colddiesel]

Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!

I noticed on Sunday that you were one of the very small minority on another thread to vote your approval that the USA should wage war on Iran.

You're not a Christian and never will be. Never.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I noticed on Sunday that you were one of the very small minority on another thread to vote your approval that the USA should wage war on Iran.

You're not a Christian and never will be. Never.

Ok, well they are a terrorist state and have murdered millions of people. I am entitled to my opinion, although, I did change my mind later. I came to realize that it would be in the US best interest not to destroy them although they certainly deserve it for all of the murder, rape and torture that they have caused around the world. For you to support that type of behavior says a lot about you.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

...Moving on...

 

[PaxNurgle]

Ok, well they are a terrorist state and have murdered millions of people. I am entitled to my opinion, although, I did change my mind later. I came to realize that it would be in the US best interest not to destroy them although they certainly deserve it for all of the murder, rape and torture that they have caused around the world. For you to support that type of behavior says a lot about you.

You are entitled to your opinion, yes. But if you insist on pretending to be a true Christian, you are lying. You have long been exposed as nothing more than a forum troll and a hypocrite who in his own way, is actually mocking and slandering Christianity by the way you mis-represent it, and by your online trolling behavior.

You have made it clear that you have no understanding whatsoever of Christian values or of the message that Jesus Christ has taught. And you are not fooling anybody anymore. Everyone has now called you on your bullshit. You are, in all likelihood, a sardonic nihilist whose actual contempt for Jesus Christ and His message has encouraged you to give the faith a bad name (and thereby drive people away from Christianity) by this online trolling. I will pray for your change of heart, but I suspect that you do not want our prayers.

Jesus would have wanted us to pray for the Iranian people, who are oppressed and fearful of war. And to pray for peace, and for the wisdom and the change of heart of our leaders. But of course, you don't care about that do you. He would have wanted us to have compassion and mercy, things you are evidently incapable of, and in fact seem to have contempt for.

Stop bumping your own thread and go away. We have called you out for what you are. Now leave.

 

[dolf]

Jesus would have wanted us to pray for the Iranian people, who are oppressed and fearful of war. And to pray for peace, and for the wisdom and the change of heart of our leaders. But of course, you don't care about that do you. He would have wanted us to have compassion and mercy, things you are evidently incapable of, and in fact seem to have contempt for.

This. The "they" he refers to are the leadership, who will be safe in their bunkers. The people who will suffer will always be the women, children, and ordinary family men who are just trying to get by.

Of course they're mostly Muslims, so maybe that's why he thinks that they deserve death.

 

[colddiesel]

Ok, well they are a terrorist state and have murdered millions of people. I am entitled to my opinion, although, I did change my mind later. I came to realize that it would be in the US best interest not to destroy them although they certainly deserve it for all of the murder, rape and torture that they have caused around the world. For you to support that type of behavior says a lot about you.

Since Bush Junior and Cheney invaded Iraq in 2003, 500,000 Iraqis and 5,000 US servicemen have died as a result. What do they "deserve" - another American hero -another Edward Gallagher?

Or do they deserve some love from the folk who claim to follow Jesus?

And do not attribute opinions to me that you know I do not hold. It makes you look like a cretin and believe me, you do not need any help with that.

 

[RocketLauncher]

I don't think i like your heaven.

 

[dolf]

I don't think i like your heaven.

I don't think I'd like the company.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You are entitled to your opinion, yes. But if you insist on pretending to be a true Christian, you are lying. You have long been exposed as nothing more than a forum troll and a hypocrite who in his own way, is actually mocking and slandering Christianity by the way you mis-represent it, and by your online trolling behavior.

You have made it clear that you have no understanding whatsoever of Christian values or of the message that Jesus Christ has taught. And you are not fooling anybody anymore. Everyone has now called you on your bullshit. You are, in all likelihood, a sardonic nihilist whose actual contempt for Jesus Christ and His message has encouraged you to give the faith a bad name (and thereby drive people away from Christianity) by this online trolling. I will pray for your change of heart, but I suspect that you do not want our prayers.

Jesus would have wanted us to pray for the Iranian people, who are oppressed and fearful of war. And to pray for peace, and for the wisdom and the change of heart of our leaders. But of course, you don't care about that do you. He would have wanted us to have compassion and mercy, things you are evidently incapable of, and in fact seem to have contempt for.

Stop bumping your own thread and go away. We have called you out for what you are. Now leave.

You aren't the one who gets to decide who is or isn't a true Christian. A true Christian places their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, giving their life to Him, believing in their heart that He died and rose again, shedding His blood as a sacrifice for their sins. I have done that. I am a true Christian.

You are entitled to your opinion as well, however flawed it may be. The Iranian Government is a terrorist state and murders innocent people, rapes women, burns people alive, robs and kills all around the world. If you support that, then it shows the kind of person that you are. I do NOT support that and think that if possible, their Government needs to be over thrown and a good, moral, reputatable Government set up. If you think that makes me a bad guy, then so be it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I don't dispute that the Iranian government has done, and continues to do, some very bad things.

And all things considered, I would prefer to live in the U.S. But you continually look the other way, and praise a U.S. leader who also does some very bad things, and is morally corrupt and who continues to violate every single one of the tenants that Jesus Christ taught us. We had a peace deal with Iran. Guess which leader violated it- it wasn't Iran; think about that.

I don't mean to judge you but I really would like you to really think about how well your views jibe with what Jesus taught in the Bible. Because they do not. I just want you to think, reflect on your own selfish views versus what Jesus is really saying.

As for you being nothing more than a forum troll, this is exhibit A: From your very own words.

"Why Is The Democrats Default Position To Side With The Enemies Of The US?
-They Hate America & Want Communism
-They Want To Make America A 3rd World Country
-They Truly Believe That America Is Bad & Socialist Nations That Oppress Their Own People Are Better
-They Are Just Trying To Oppose Any Republican Does Whether They Agree With It Or Not"

Gues what Frodo,...THIS IS A TROLL POST!

It is inflammatory and controversial, and you know it. You know dang well that logically, the Democrats do NOT side with the Enemies of the U.S. (Trump does by the way, he blatantly sides with Putin and Russia, but we'll ignore that for the moment-as you evidently do.) So why post shit like this? Why say stuff like "They hate America and Want Communism?" Geez, nobody wants communism, and nobody wants to make America a 3rd world country! I mean, Dang, do you really believe this crap? Because if you do, then you really are ignorant, but I give you more credit than that- you may not be as ignorant as you sound, but when you make statements like that, YOU ARE TROLLING! And you need to stop.