Fox "news" Cannot Be Trusted

It’s worse than lunacy, though. Fox’s bubble reality creates a situation where it’s impossible to have the conversations and debate necessary to function as a democracy. Facts that are inconvenient to President Trump simply disappear down Fox News’ “memory hole,” as thoroughly as George Orwell could have imagined in 1984.

The idea that Fox News represents a literal threat to our national security, on par with Russia’s Internet Research Agency or China’s Ministry of State Security, may seem like a dramatic overstatement of its own—and I, a paid contributor to its competitor CNN, may appear a biased voice anyway—but this week has made clear that, as we get deeper into the impeachment process and as the 2020 election approaches, Fox News is prepared to destroy America’s democratic traditions if it will help its most important and most dedicated daily viewer.

The threat posed to our democracy by Fox News is multifaceted: First and most simply, it’s clearly advancing and giving voice to narratives and smears backed and imagined by our foreign adversaries. Second, its overheated and bombastic rhetoric is undermining America’s foundational ideals and the sense of fair play in politics. Third, its unique combination of lies and half-truths has built a virtual reality so complete that it leaves its viewers too misinformed to fulfill their most basic responsibilities as citizens to make informed choices about the direction of the country.

In the impeachment hearings, former National Security Council official Fiona Hill and other witnesses made clear how those who, like Fox News hosts and the president, advance the false narrative that Ukraine meddled in the US election are serving the Kremlin’s interests. Russia is playing a weak hand geopolitically—its economy is sputtering along and its population shrinking—and so its greatest hope is to stoke internal discord in the West. Robert Mueller warned of this; James Clapper has warned of it; and now Fiona Hill has done the same. “Our nation is being torn apart,” she said. “Truth is questioned.” Yet Fox, and the GOP more broadly, has warmly embraced almost every twist of Kremlin propaganda, up to and including the idea that Russia never meddled in the 2016 election to begin with.

https://www.wired.com/story/fox-news-is-now-a-threat-to-national-security/
 
Let us take a few minutes to discuss Fox news Channel and examine some of the reasons why they can’t be trusted.

There are many different approaches we could take to examine their untrustworthiness, but for this particular discussion we will examine their coverage of the infamous Osama bin Laden.

Back in the 1990’s President Bill Clinton was trying to sound the alarm about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, but all Fox news Channel could focus on was Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton’s penis. They even asserted that the August 1998 missile strikes he ordered against al Qaeda training camps in Sudan and Afghanistan were an effort to distract media attention away from Bill Clinton’s penis.

Sean Hannity criticized Clinton in 1998 for launching missile strikes against Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, which only narrowly missed killing Bin Laden. Hannity suggested that the timing of the strikes was due to "political motivation" and meant to be a distraction from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Hannity insisted that Osama bin Laden wasn’t really a threat and that missile strikes against Osama bin Laden were just “wagging the dog.”

Republican Congressman Bob Barr went onto Fox “news” Channel and claimed that the 1998 missile strikes against al Qaeda were “an effort to divert some attention.”

That; of course; was BEFORE the September 11th terrorist attacks, AFTER the September 11th terrorist attacks, the talking heads at Fox news Channel were all accusing Bill Clinton of IGNORING al Qaeda!

Apparently thousands of dead Americans in a major American city, made it hard for Sean Hannity and other paid propagandists at Fox to continue claiming that Bill Clinton’s attempts to kill Osama bin Laden and roll back al Qaeda training camps was “wagging the dog”, so they attempted to rewrite history and claim that Bill Clinton NEVER tried to kill Osama bin Laden and that he NEVER did anything about al Qaeda training camps!

Sean Hannity (who had attacked Bill Clinton for launching missile strikes against al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan back in the 1990’s) tried to blame the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks on Bill Clinton, rather than George W. Bush, making it sound like Bill Clinton had somehow been ignoring Osama bin Laden during his eight years in office.

You see, the truth doesn’t matter to men like Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity is not a journalist. Sean Hannity is a trained attack dog that engages in dishonest assaults against Democrats as standard operating procedure. His job isn’t to report the news. His job is to spread rumor, innuendo and right-wing talking points, in an attempt to delegitimize Democratic leaders.

Hannity and his accomplices even dreamed up a story where the nation of Sudan offered up Osama bin Laden “on a silver platter” if America would simply remove economic sanctions against Sudan.

There has never been any evidence that the nation of Sudan ever made such an offer, and the story has been debunked many times, however Hannity continues to repeat this childish story.

When George W. Bush was in the White House, the stories Fox news told was just as revealing as the stories that they covered up.

An investigative journalist by the name of Greg Palast published an FBI memo that confirmed that the FBI was given orders to lay off the bin Laden family and other Saudi terror suspects during the early months of George W. Bush's rule.

Without these orders to halt investigations, the 9/11 terrorist attacks might have been averted.

Palast published this memo back in 2001, but Fox “news” Channel refused to report on this in any of their “news” broadcasts.

If Fox “news” had reported on this, it would have hurt the reputation of a Republican president, and Fox never does anything that would harm a Republican president. They only do things that will harm Democrats.

When Bush refused to testify under oath before the 9/11 Commission, refused to testify in public and refused to testify without Dick Cheney being there to help him, Fox “news” refused to point out the fact that they were obstructing the commission’s ability to get at the truth.

The executive director of the 9/11 Commission (Philip Zelikow), had conflicts of interest and as such should never have been in charge of the investigation. Zelikow had close ties with the White House and that he tried to influence the final report in ways that the staff often perceived as limiting the Bush administration’s responsibility and furthering its anti-Iraq agenda. This was very relevant news that the American public should have known about, but Fox “news” covered it up.

Zelikow also stopped the Commission staff from submitting a report depicting Rice's and Bush's performance as "amounting to incompetence or something not far from it", but you would never learn about that if you got all of your news from Fox.

The Bush White House attempted to stonewall the creation of the commission and to hamstring its work from the outset. When Bush terrorism "czar" Richard Clarke could no longer be prevented from testifying about his urgent warnings over the summer of 2001 to Rice about the imminent threat of terrorist attack on US soil, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and his aides feverishly drafted tough questions and phoned them in to Republican commissioners to undermine Clarke's credibility."

Initially Bush refused to establish a 9/11 Commission at all. When the pressure and the demands became too great he eventually authorized the creation of one, however, he imposed a very short deadline on them and he made certain that they had insufficient funds (3 million dollars).

Fox “news” never called Bush out for the way that he hamstrung the 9/11 Commission and they tried to make the case that the Republicans were the only political party that could keep America safe.

In 2002, George W. Bush dismissed Osama bin Laden as unimportant, saying that he “didn’t know” where Osama bin Laden was and that he was “truly am not that concerned about him”.

George W. Bush never brought Osama bin Laden to justice and in 2006, Bush shut down the intelligence unit that had been tasked with hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants since 1996.

The unit, known as Alec Station, had been formed back in 1996, before Osama bin Laden became a household name, back when Bill Clinton was president, and the threats posed by Osama bin Laden were taken seriously.

This should have been HUGE news, but the talking heads at Fox didn’t think that this story was important enough to pay attention to. Bush basically abandoned the hunt for Osama bin Laden, and the paid propagandists at Fox acted as if this wasn’t newsworthy.

However, the story doesn’t end there.

Barack Obama didn’t follow Bush’s example of abandoning the hunt for Osama bin Laden. President Obama authorized America’s intelligence agencies to track down Osama bin Laden’s location and eventually they were able to locate him in a compound in Pakistan.

President Obama chaired a number of National Security Council meetings to discuss an operation to raid bin Laden's compound in an effort to either kill or capture bin Laden. And in 2011, President Obama greenlit the raid that hit Osama bin Laden’s compound and killed Osama bin Laden without the loss of a single American life.

This was HUGE news, and all over the world news outlets celebrated President Obama’s success, however Fox “news” was reluctant to give President Obama credit.

Sean Hannity declared that there was “no way this would have happened, but for the policies of George W. Bush”.

Eric Bolling declared that we should "Thank GWB For This Not BHO!"

Karl Rove declared that “"Important Policy Decisions Made Under Bush" Made Bin Laden's Death Possible.”

Hannity, Bolling and Rove were all paid propagandists for Fox “news”. They ignored Bush’s negligence and incompetence and declared that somehow Bush was a great leader who made great strides in getting Osama bin Laden, when in point of fact, Bush abandoned the hunt for bin Laden years before Barack Obama had even been sworn into office.

Over and over again, we see Fox news covering up for the incompetence, negligence and ineffectiveness of Republicans, while making up stories to defame, demonize and delegitimize Democrats.

These people engage in fiction, rumor-mongering, propaganda and deliberately leading millions of Americans to erroneous conclusions. Why are they allowed to continue calling themselves a NEWS channel?

Watching Fox news to educate yourself on world events is like watching lesbian porn to educate yourself on LGBT issues.
 
Can you define "relevant experts"? I remember when all this started, NASA presented a report refuting global warming. Obama said if you don't get with the program, NASA funding will dry up.
Google search "NASA presented a report refuting global warming."

https://www.google.com/search?q=NAS...rome..69i57.1759j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I went through the first 10 pages of the above search, looking for the NASA climate denial report.

So I am not sure how "old" you are, but I am a lot closer to the grave than you are I suspect. This was a topic back in the early 1970's, it didn't start with Obama!!:eek:

Back to your 97% consensus. I read that and it really didn't say anything meaningful other than if you keep repeating something it must be true. Take away the mighty dollars available from the gov't in grants, and their message will change. That's my belief.

The in bold part of your text seems to some of Trump's MO has gotten through:rolleyes:

I did not invent the 97%, that number shows up in both sides of the topic. Since both sides use the number I suspect it is correct.
Now I do not have a list of all the scientist in the world doing Climate research, but neither do you. So is it 97% or 90%, or 85% it is a hell of lot more than 50% isn't it? Can you even point to 10% of the Scientists denying man made climate change?

Why is Al Gore worth over $100 million?

I don't know, is that what he is worth? Maybe he earned it? I forget the dollar amount the prize money for a Nobel prize is, and I have no idea how many books he sold, or what he got paid for them, etc etc.

So can you answer me this question, what does Gore have to do with this? This climate stuff started way before Al Gore.
 
Investor's Business Daily from 2016 - just one Google search

"The White House in fact was creating this strategic situation by focusing on global warming as America's top threat and engaging in various social engineering projects such as women in combat and integrating transsexuals into the troop ranks, even as some generals warned that they could hurt troop readiness.

ok I have searched for the above, a dozen times, I cannot find a link to it, please post the link to your search query,

Below is the closest I found.

https://www.utep.edu/liberalarts/nssi/_Files/docs/Publications1/Global-Climate-Change-Morales.pdf
 
I did not invent the 97%, that number shows up in both sides of the topic. Since both sides use the number I suspect it is correct.
Now I do not have a list of all the scientist in the world doing Climate research, but neither do you. So is it 97% or 90%, or 85% it is a hell of lot more than 50% isn't it? Can you even point to 10% of the Scientists denying man made climate change?

A lot of the climate change science is being exaggerated. Here's one example.
https://reason.com/2019/09/24/think...-the-rise-of-greta-thunberg-environmentalism/
 
If Fox News can't be trusted, what does that say about the rest of the media? Since the summer of 2016, its scary to think that Fox has been the most accurate. When the main stream media kept saying the election was a runaway, Fox was saying Trump has his work cut out for himself but it was not a runaway. The mainstream media even said that Georgia and Texas were in play for Hillary. We all know how that turned out.

The morning after the election, the mainstream media started with the Russia collusion narrative. It got to the point where it wasn't a question of if there was collusion, but how extensive was it. Meanwhile Fox is reporting that, there were some contacts, but nothing that was against the law. The Mueller Report comes out and there's no evidence of collusion.

Then we have the crisis at the southern border. The mainstream media reports it as a strategy to deflect from Russia. Eventually the mainstream media concedes there is a crisis at the Southern border.

Then we have the Deep State. Did guys like Hannity exaggerate it? Of course he did. But then he admits he's not a journalist, he's a talk show host. There were some serious problems in the investigation. The dossier did form a large part of the application, which contradicts Comey. They lied on the application. There was abuse of the Court where now a FISA judge is demanding answers.
 
It’s worse than lunacy, though. Fox’s bubble reality creates a situation where it’s impossible to have the conversations and debate necessary to function as a democracy. Facts that are inconvenient to President Trump simply disappear down Fox News’ “memory hole,” as thoroughly as George Orwell could have imagined in 1984.

The idea that Fox News represents a literal threat to our national security, on par with Russia’s Internet Research Agency or China’s Ministry of State Security, may seem like a dramatic overstatement of its own—and I, a paid contributor to its competitor CNN, may appear a biased voice anyway—but this week has made clear that, as we get deeper into the impeachment process and as the 2020 election approaches, Fox News is prepared to destroy America’s democratic traditions if it will help its most important and most dedicated daily viewer.

The threat posed to our democracy by Fox News is multifaceted: First and most simply, it’s clearly advancing and giving voice to narratives and smears backed and imagined by our foreign adversaries. Second, its overheated and bombastic rhetoric is undermining America’s foundational ideals and the sense of fair play in politics. Third, its unique combination of lies and half-truths has built a virtual reality so complete that it leaves its viewers too misinformed to fulfill their most basic responsibilities as citizens to make informed choices about the direction of the country.

In the impeachment hearings, former National Security Council official Fiona Hill and other witnesses made clear how those who, like Fox News hosts and the president, advance the false narrative that Ukraine meddled in the US election are serving the Kremlin’s interests. Russia is playing a weak hand geopolitically—its economy is sputtering along and its population shrinking—and so its greatest hope is to stoke internal discord in the West. Robert Mueller warned of this; James Clapper has warned of it; and now Fiona Hill has done the same. “Our nation is being torn apart,” she said. “Truth is questioned.” Yet Fox, and the GOP more broadly, has warmly embraced almost every twist of Kremlin propaganda, up to and including the idea that Russia never meddled in the 2016 election to begin with.

https://www.wired.com/story/fox-news-is-now-a-threat-to-national-security/

Fox was never supposed to be a news channel. From the very beginning they were set up to misinform, distract and spread right-wing talking points.

Why else would Murdoch have hired a political consultant to run the place rather than a journalist?

Roger Ailes has absolutely no experience as a journalist, but plenty of experience helping Republican politicians get elected. So, why hire a guy to run a news channel if he has no experience in journalism.

Quite simply, Fox "news" was never supposed to be about investigative journalism, journalistic ethics or fact-checking. Roger Ailes was hired to do what he's always done, help Republicans to win elections. Roger Ailes was hired to spread fear, hatred, conspiracy theories, right-wing talking points and anything else he can think of to help the approval numbers of Republicans.
 
Franklin Graham links Hanukkah party stabbing to ‘hatred for Trump’: ‘I blame people in the media’

Franklin Graham suggested to Fox News on Sunday that “hatred for Trump” and “a lot of people in the media” are responsible for a mass stabbing at a Hanukkah party in New York over the weekend.

Following the attack, Graham said that he was praying for the victims. He then complained about New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s handling of the attack.

Perhaps Evangelicals should stand by their Jewish brethren and shield them with their breasts, you know like Christ?:)
 
If Fox News can't be trusted, what does that say about the rest of the media? Since the summer of 2016, its scary to think that Fox has been the most accurate. When the main stream media kept saying the election was a runaway, Fox was saying Trump has his work cut out for himself but it was not a runaway. The mainstream media even said that Georgia and Texas were in play for Hillary. We all know how that turned out.

The morning after the election, the mainstream media started with the Russia collusion narrative. It got to the point where it wasn't a question of if there was collusion, but how extensive was it. Meanwhile Fox is reporting that, there were some contacts, but nothing that was against the law. The Mueller Report comes out and there's no evidence of collusion.

Then we have the crisis at the southern border. The mainstream media reports it as a strategy to deflect from Russia. Eventually the mainstream media concedes there is a crisis at the Southern border.

Then we have the Deep State. Did guys like Hannity exaggerate it? Of course he did. But then he admits he's not a journalist, he's a talk show host. There were some serious problems in the investigation. The dossier did form a large part of the application, which contradicts Comey. They lied on the application. There was abuse of the Court where now a FISA judge is demanding answers.

This x 1000.

MSM are all puppets - they all use the same specific words when describing their "opinion".
 
James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch, warned that media outlets are strategically using disinformation to divide people and to shore up their own power.

“The connective tissue of our society is being manipulated to make us fight with each other, making us the worst versions of ourselves,” James said in an interview with the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer published Monday.

“There are views I really disagree with on Fox,” he added, noting that there are periods of time when he and his father do not talk.

Fox News, which often seems divided between the network’s straight news division during the day and its opinion-dominated programming in the early morning and at night, has been the main extension of the Trump re-election campaign, but has drawn criticisms for its internal schism.

Donald Trump frequently lashes out on Twitter when Fox provides airtime to Democrats, Democratic commentators, or even some of its own anchors who don’t step in line with the party, such as Shep Smith.

While James is continuing to evaluate how he’ll be involved in the media in the future, he is currently seeking to “distance himself from the conservative media outlets controlled for decades by his father,” according to sources for the Financial Times.

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...Y-btJs5zS7HB2kLxqS2OfwNg1SRq0GYZRUhsPtGIaU4-c
 
James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch, warned that media outlets are strategically using disinformation to divide people and to shore up their own power.

“The connective tissue of our society is being manipulated to make us fight with each other, making us the worst versions of ourselves,” James said in an interview with the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer published Monday.

“There are views I really disagree with on Fox,” he added, noting that there are periods of time when he and his father do not talk.

Fox News, which often seems divided between the network’s straight news division during the day and its opinion-dominated programming in the early morning and at night, has been the main extension of the Trump re-election campaign, but has drawn criticisms for its internal schism.

Donald Trump frequently lashes out on Twitter when Fox provides airtime to Democrats, Democratic commentators, or even some of its own anchors who don’t step in line with the party, such as Shep Smith.

While James is continuing to evaluate how he’ll be involved in the media in the future, he is currently seeking to “distance himself from the conservative media outlets controlled for decades by his father,” according to sources for the Financial Times.

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...Y-btJs5zS7HB2kLxqS2OfwNg1SRq0GYZRUhsPtGIaU4-c

Really? How many conservative media outlets are there? I mean, compared to liberal media outlets? ... And this is of concern?

I would venture to say, 1 in 25 media outlets are conservative, just like college professors and even teachers. And he is worried.
 
A free press is a pillar of democracy and a guard against authoritarianism. While Hitler used a new Ministry of People’s Enlightenment and Propaganda headed by Joseph Goebbels to undermine liberal democracy, President Donald Trump seems to be using Fox News.

Historian Christopher R. Browning drew such parallels late last year in a piece for New York Review of Books called "The Suffocation of Democracy."

Fox consistently confirms Trump’s own version of events. Trump then uses Fox News reports in his tweets and other statements to reaffirm his own story.

The reports on Fox News are practically unrecognizable to watchers of CNN or MSNBC. The free media has effectively allowed Trump to lie to any viewer of Fox News with no repercussions.


https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...ministry-of-propaganda-GyEja6bct0WvBNclNI7Jtw
 
A free press is a pillar of democracy and a guard against authoritarianism. While Hitler used a new Ministry of People’s Enlightenment and Propaganda headed by Joseph Goebbels to undermine liberal democracy, President Donald Trump seems to be using Fox News.

Historian Christopher R. Browning drew such parallels late last year in a piece for New York Review of Books called "The Suffocation of Democracy."

Fox consistently confirms Trump’s own version of events. Trump then uses Fox News reports in his tweets and other statements to reaffirm his own story.

The reports on Fox News are practically unrecognizable to watchers of CNN or MSNBC. The free media has effectively allowed Trump to lie to any viewer of Fox News with no repercussions.


https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...ministry-of-propaganda-GyEja6bct0WvBNclNI7Jtw


Except you've got your liars mixed up. CNN, MSNBC, et al., are the BIG LIARS.
 
Except you've got your liars mixed up. CNN, MSNBC, et al., are the BIG LIARS.

Proof above that propaganda works.

Maybe try CBC,BBC or ANC. These are new organisations which have absolutely no ties to US politics, their reporting does not mimic what you call MSM, and they are miles different from FOX.
 
Proof above that propaganda works.

Maybe try CBC,BBC or ANC. These are new organisations which have absolutely no ties to US politics, their reporting does not mimic what you call MSM, and they are miles different from FOX.

Do you consider CNN and MSNBC to be responsible, accurate reporting?
 
Timely study!

Not fake news: Major study finds no ‘liberal bias’ in media

Complaints about press bias are as old as the press itself, but in recent decades, conservatives have pushed one complaint above all other: The media is biased against them because it is overwhelmingly staffed by liberal journalists. A new study, forthcoming in Science Advances, provides the strongest evidence ever that they’re half-right — but only the least important half: Yes, reporters overall are significantly more liberal than the general population. In fact, almost one in six are more liberal than Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, based on who they follow on Twitter. But no, that doesn’t matter — even for the most liberal cohort of them. The title of the study says it all: “There is No Liberal Media Bias in the News Political Journalists Choose to Cover.”

Interesting.:)
 
Do you consider CNN and MSNBC to be responsible, accurate reporting?

I don't consider any of them accurate. EVERY media company is a Business FIRST. They cater to an audience.

So I make my opinion based upon many media outlets including FOX, surprised? ( and I do miss Shep)

However I DO NOT have TV, I do not watch/listen to opinion shows, be them Hanity, or Cooper or throw another name in there since I don't have a clue to others.

To me an opinion show is for people who are to stupid to make an opinion of their own and need someone to give them one.
 
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Other news organizations such as MSNBC and CNN publish credible, balanced news reporting even as their editorial content skews leftward. The New York Times and NPR are often the first to break stories about their own inaccurate reporting, dishonest or biased reporters, etc., and have fact checkers and ombudsmen on staff to ensure the integrity of their work. The same can be said about the Washington Post, which historically has had a conservative editorial bent; this is particularly ironic given that the President and his followers regularly assail the Post as among the fakest of fake news purveyors and as liberal as any. And therein lies the difference: the Post is conservative, while Fox is sycophantic. The Post regularly publishes stories that are unfavorable to Trump while Fox might downplay, skew or just bury those stories.

And Fox’s editorial staff are shameless in their fabrication of content, false equivalencies, subject-changing, conspiracy theorizing, and so forth. Hannity is little more than an extension of Trump’s communications staff; when confronted with this reality he simply shrugs it off by maintaining that he is an entertainer not a journalist.
 
Other news organizations such as MSNBC and CNN publish credible, balanced news reporting even as their editorial content skews leftward. The New York Times and NPR are often the first to break stories about their own inaccurate reporting, dishonest or biased reporters, etc., and have fact checkers and ombudsmen on staff to ensure the integrity of their work. The same can be said about the Washington Post, which historically has had a conservative editorial bent; this is particularly ironic given that the President and his followers regularly assail the Post as among the fakest of fake news purveyors and as liberal as any. And therein lies the difference: the Post is conservative, while Fox is sycophantic. The Post regularly publishes stories that are unfavorable to Trump while Fox might downplay, skew or just bury those stories.

And Fox’s editorial staff are shameless in their fabrication of content, false equivalencies, subject-changing, conspiracy theorizing, and so forth. Hannity is little more than an extension of Trump’s communications staff; when confronted with this reality he simply shrugs it off by maintaining that he is an entertainer not a journalist.

Explain 90% negative reporting on Republican presidents and the opposite for Obama & other democrats by MSM genius.
 
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