It's Climate Change, Stupid

[Rightguide]

Actually it's stupid to believe in "Climate Change" as it is presently defined by the statements, beliefs, and the political solution agendas of the left.

 

[Ziggins]

Polar bears are evolving and adapting, partly by interbreeding with brown bears. That works anywhere: find people who have adapted and fuck them.

 

[jp55665566]

We may survive global warming, but not the coming ICE AGE.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

Global warming: why you should not worry.

An MIT scientist explains his doubts about the dangers of global warming.

 

[Ziggins]

https://i.imgur.com/QaNNgTT.jpg

 

[magicalmoments]

#72 above
If you're relying on the heartland institute for the facts on which you base your opinion you're as deluded as your posts suggest.
You need to balance your research by reading a few neutral scientific journals.

 

[BotanyBoy]

#72 above
If you're relying on the heartland institute for the facts on which you base your opinion you're as deluded as your posts suggest.
You need to balance your research by reading a few neutral scientific journals.

He's not lying about the left trying to use it to take power/money though.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

He's not lying about the left trying to use it to take power/money though.

So even Britain agrees that climate change is a problem, ( leaving out the issue of what is causing it) so you are say the British conservatives are left?

Note I could list more countries but why? You can't seem to see past left and right.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So even Britain agrees that climate change is a problem, ( leaving out the issue of what is causing it) so you are say the British conservatives are left?

Agreeing that it's a problem has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

And from an academic and US perspective, yes, in a number of ways.

Note I could list more countries but why? You can't seem to see past left and right.

And listing countries would mean what?

Again, recognizing climate change doesn't change the fact that political bodies in most nations are trying to use the fear of the issue to seize money and power in most if not every nation you'd list.

Just so happens in western nations it's almost entirely the left who thinks a totalitarian socialist regime is the answer.

 

[JackLuis]

Thousands to sleep at beaches as fires encircle Australian towns

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Australian-Fires.jpg

Thousands of holidaymakers and locals were bedding down at beaches in fire-ravaged southeast Australia on New Year’s Eve after fleeing deadly blazes that ripped through popular tourist areas and cut off several towns.

In seaside communities along a 200-kilometre (135-mile) strip of coast, terrified crowds — wrapped in blankets and wearing make-shift facemasks — sought refuge from the inferno near the water.

Aussies believe in climate change now.

 

[bodysong]

Australia is one of the most vulnerable major industrialized
countries to climate change, particularly when it comes to
extreme heat and drought conditions. However, the country
is also a major exporter of coal, a greenhouse-gas-intensive
energy source.

The heat and bush fires this spring and summer have put
pressure on the pro-business and pro-coal Liberal government
of Prime Minister Scott Morrison to take more aggressive
climate action.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weat...cord-sydney-residents-brace-heat-fires-smoke/

 

[magicalmoments]

#74 + 76 above
Given that most western govts that align themselves as centre or right are largely socialist based your argument is a nonsense. Trying to apply your USA left/right arguments to the rest of the western world just doesn't work.
The official policy in your country is that climate change is a Chinese hoax and you have dismantled all of the regulations that the previous administration had put in place to confirm with the international consensus. A small number of other countries, Australia being one, have taken a similar stance.
The rest, left and right, have stuck with the programme.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

As we were warned by the experts in 2004, Britain is screwed. The mayhem starts tomorrow.

“major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

 

[BotanyBoy]

#74 + 76 above
Given that most western govts that align themselves as centre or right are largely socialist based your argument is a nonsense.

Really?? Name these western countries that are socialist based....

Given socialism is definitively left wing it's going to be pretty fucking hard for a largely socialist country to be center or right wing.

Trying to apply your USA left/right arguments to the rest of the western world just doesn't work.

Yes, it does because left vs. right doesn't change based on geographical location anymore than liberal vs authoritarian.

What do you think right wing is??

What do you think left wing is??

The official policy in your country is that climate change is a Chinese hoax and you have dismantled all of the regulations that the previous administration had put in place to confirm with the international consensus. A small number of other countries, Australia being one, have taken a similar stance.

No, the official policy in my country is that we're not going to adopt a socialist economic system and an authoritarian form of government because "it's green!" .

The rest, left and right, have stuck with the programme.

What programme??

 

[phrodeau]

It’s an alternate spelling of “program.”

 

[magicalmoments]

#81 above
We've been through this before when debating issues around economics, individual freedoms, Hunan rights, democracy and now climate change. In not doing it again.
Most western first world countries are social democrat in political make up. They retain a capitalistic free market economy and have cherry picked a range of what are fundamentally socialist aligned policies around health, education, labour market, wealth redistribution through taxes, you know the sorts of things I'm talking about and the countries i'm referring too.
Each of these countries have two main political parties, one that tends to the left, the other that tends to the right. These parties through the vagaries of elections change who is in government every few years. No matter which party is in power neither of them dismantle the basic capitalist/socialist mix that forms the basis of their societies. They may do some cosmetic tinkering but no fundamental changes.
You have constantly and incorrectly lumped these countries into the socialist camp, even though they are governed for 50% of the time (give or take ) by right wing based parties. It's not fucking hard at all.
What I think is left or right is largely the same as would be defined by any universally accepted nonaligned authority. Authorities that I'm sure you'd find biased to the left.
The programme I was meaning was the Paris climate accord that you withdrew from, without any understanding at all of what it was intending to achieve.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yeah a lot of you are dead right. I think Sco-Mo here in Oz should quickly build and install massive permanently-running environmental air-conditioners powered by cheap coal and also nuclear energy, along with gigantic sprinklers which draw up cold water from around icebergs towed from the South Pole area and anchored just outside Sydney. We could easily have a nuclear-powered desalination plant alongside the sprinklers.

Hell, I betcha we could even get loans from Beijing to do it. In fact I guarantee we could.

The Chinese need our food. Fuck the rest of you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Most western first world countries are social democrat in political make up. They retain a capitalistic free market economy and have cherry picked a range of what are fundamentally socialist aligned policies around health, education, labour market, wealth redistribution through taxes, you know the sorts of things I'm talking about and the countries i'm referring too.

Right....so not based on socialism.

Public services are left, but they are not socialist or socialist aligned.

Key differences:

Social democrats want to tax and provide public goods and services. This is most if not all western 1st world nations.

Socialist want collective and or state to have a monopoly on that market, eliminating private exchange and ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods and services. Nationalization of the industry, no private doctors or clinics, no private schools, no private whatever.

BTW none of the modern 1st world western nations have free market economies, just market economies.

You have constantly and incorrectly lumped these countries into the socialist camp

No, I haven't.

Where have you ever seen me do that???

What I think is left or right is largely the same as would be defined by any universally accepted nonaligned authority.

Which is???

The programme I was meaning was the Paris climate accord that you withdrew from, without any understanding at all of what it was intending to achieve.

And who was the most infuriated by the USA's refusal to participate??

It wasn't the right wing, certainly not in the US and from a global scale doesn't appear on a global scale either.

 

[domroger]

Yeah a lot of you are dead right. I think Sco-Mo here in Oz should quickly build and install massive permanently-running environmental air-conditioners powered by cheap coal and also nuclear energy, along with gigantic sprinklers which draw up cold water from around icebergs towed from the South Pole area and anchored just outside Sydney. We could easily have a nuclear-powered desalination plant alongside the sprinklers.

Hell, I betcha we could even get loans from Beijing to do it. In fact I guarantee we could.

The Chinese need our food. Fuck the rest of you.

Still drunk after the New Year celebrations ,you should consider cutting back on your alcohol consumption .

 

[magicalmoments]

#86 above
Thank you. You have proven my point.

 

[magicalmoments]

It's interesting to watch your personal growth and development.
Originally you were one of those who applied the word liberal as an insult to those who argued progressive ideas, as in calling them liberal snowflakes. Eventually you found out what liberal meant and to your credit changed.
Another of your common mistakes was to apply the word socialism, as an insult, to any social policy suggesting it was all part of a Stalinist, Marxist plot and would end up destroying those who adopted such programmes.
I'm not your servant or one of your poor fucking employees, you can look up your own posts, they are full of this garbage.
Now, you seem to have learned that a govt adopting and carefully managing few elements of what are essentially socialist programmes, are not quite as destructive as you seemed to once think they would have been. It's pleasing to see this openness to new concepts.
I regard your requests for details as a ploy to have me wasting my time. I think you know exactly what I mean, you're not that dumb. Consequently other than telling you that, I'm ignoring your spurious questions.

 

[Dumpington]

JayCuck writes: "Climate change is a hoax. The people pushing Climate Change know it...they don't care"

magicalmoments responds: "Thank you. You have proven my point."

The environment is the RELIGION of the progressive Democratic Party far-left in America today. They keep making predictions that don't come true, and when they're proven wrong they simply respond with NEW predictions, twelve years down the road (that will ALSO never come true!)

JayCuck adds: "The left does. not. care....about people. They never have...they care about maximizing their control (government) over people's lives."

Again, Jay, thank you for proving the point that magicalmoments & I have both been trying to make now for quite some time now! Climate change is the official RELIGION of the far-left! They've even got their very own fat televangelist who has made millions of dollars preaching global warming (Al Gore) along with the small child whom they revere and point to as their expert-scientific spokesperson (Greta Thunberg) who can see into the future!

 

[schism666]

@capitalweather: BREAKING: The planet may have seen its highest temp since at least 1931 today. Death Valley hit 130, a preliminary August record for the globe. If confirmed, this is one of top 3 highest temps ever measured on Earth and arguably highest reliably measured. https://wapo.st/322xYtE

 

[JackLuis]

Violent typhoon heads for Japan packing ‘record’ winds and rain

An extremely powerful typhoon was barrelling towards southwestern Japan on Saturday as authorities issued evacuation advisories to thousands of residents, warning of unprecedented violent winds, heavy rain and high waves.

Haishen churned near Okinawa in southern Japan on Saturday afternoon and was expected to approach Kyushu late Sunday or early Monday, the meteorological agency said.

The storm is expected to affect Japan from late Saturday, with winds of up to 290 kilometres per hour (180 miles per hour), making it a “violent” storm — the top level on the country’s classification scale.

“There is a danger of record winds, heavy rain, high waves and storm surge,” Yoshihisa Nakamoto, an agency officer, told a news conference, calling for an early evacuation and “maximum caution.”

Why should you care????


California Braces For Record-setting Heatwave, More Fires

Weather Whiplash: From record-shattering heat to cold and snow

Weather Whiplash: From record-shattering heat to cold and snow

By Jeff Berardelli

Updated on: September 5, 2020 / 8:09 AM / CBS News

The best word to describe the weather across the West is: "Bonkers." In a matter of days, the region will experience some of the hottest weather ever recorded in California, a strong downslope wind event igniting fire concerns, a 70-degree swing in temperatures in Denver and an extremely early snow storm walloping Colorado, New Mexico and Wyoming.

If that's not bizarre enough, partly powering the chaotic pattern are two back-to-back typhoons thousands of miles away in Japan and North Korea. Throw in some human-caused climate change, which is playing a role, and the weather does not get more extreme.

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2020/09/04/a3be41ca-1652-4a78-abf3-fda6db83c4ab/thumbnail/620x349/2bd7d4402c9cab56ce18019e9ae0da6d/weather-shocking-swing.gif

115 in California and 39 in Denver? Can it get any weirder?

 

[bodysong]

Bubonic plague warning issued in Lake Tahoe

Officials in South Lake Tahoe are warning people to be careful not to come into contact
with the bubonic plague.

September 5, 2020

https://www.mysuncoast.com/video/2020/09/05/bubonic-plague-warning-issued-lake-tahoe/