Nudist World

[Harriton7]

Would love to see a story that involves a world where everybody is a nudist, sexual relationship are more open and public, and there are strictly no clothes allowed. This can either take place in a fantasy world, modern, or futuristic setting.

 

[ThisNameIsntTakenYet]

Could be a fun idea. If being nude is normal for them, maybe their form of nudists (clothists?) are people who do want to wear clothes and are given weird looks or even undressed just like we'd throw a blanket or some clothes at a naked person. Just a random idea I got.

 

[DMBFFF]

What happened to Nude Planet?
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1384588

Folks, could Harriton7 have bumped that old thread instead?


1. Does it have to be a world? Why not a country, region, and/or island?

2. What about climate? When it gets cold? Are there are fair-skinned people who don't want to be wearing sunscreen all the time?

3. Definitions of nudity: that takes a lot of time in my CMNF stories (e.g. of story here). In such, female nudity means also barefoot, but restraints (consensual stuff) are optional, as well as belts, hats, maybe gloves, jewelry. In one set of CMNF stories I read, women couldn't cover their breasts with hair, but as I'm a little bit of a hair fetishist https://youtu.be/OOgpT5rEKIU?t=88 I tend to give it a pass.

4. Will this place have minors, and will they see adults doing it in public? (Again, my CMNF places tend to be adults-only.)



Let's say there's a country called "Hedonia." 1 million live in a 20 000 sq km (about 8000 sq miles) in the tropics. It's advanced, has light industries, with a decent PCI, but people are required to be naked, because wearing clothes insults people—particularly if the clothed one is a foreigner. Let's say there are adults-only areas where one can have sex, or maybe areas for minors where public sex is forbidden, as well as adults having sex in the presence of minors.

There might be a minimum ratio of female-to-male visitors, lest the place is swamped with horny het men—or maybe a lot of guys is okay.

I don't know how diplomacy would work.

 

[Haulover]

There are several places where this fantasy is reality.

Club Hedonism in Jamaica (now closed, I think temporarily) is one example.

Cap d'Agde in France is a nudist town. It used to be just regular nudists, but the so-called "libertines" are slowly taking it over. Libertines are the sex-any-place-any-time-any-one crowd. the beach is divided into 3 parts: Family nudists, regular nudists, and libertines - where you can guarantee seeing at least one public display of some kind of sexual activity.

Then, for non-sexual nudist places: Pascoe County in Florida is home to several clothing-optional neighborhoods, and the pools are mandatory nude. Most of those places are populated by genuine nudists with no sexual intentions, but one of them has a robust swinger culture behind the scenes.

And of course there are several nude beaches - Haulover being the best. (See my screen name ) I've never seen sexual activity on Haulover, but I have seen sex on Baker Beach in San Francisco.

So, to write stories about an all-nudist, public sex scenario - I'd suggest : research these, base the story on one of them, and then let the imagination fly.

 

[Carnevil9]

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Club Hedonism in Jamaica (now closed, I think temporarily) is one example.

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Hedonism II in Jamaica is most certainly not closed. I haven't been there in a few years, but I have been there many times. It is not all nude. You need to wear clothes in the dining room and the lobby and other common areas. But the beach and pool areas are all either nude (you must be nude) or clothing optional (you can be nude or not as you prefer). Open sex is technically not allowed, but it still takes place all over the nude areas. I've seen some really crazy shit there!

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Robert Heinlein’s The Puppet Masters.

Spoiler Alert for those who have not read it.


Earth is invaded by aliens with the ability to mentally control human beings if in direct contact. While eventually defeated (almost), enough are thought to have survived that society is forced to go nudist, thus showing by your bareness that you are not controlled.

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Second thoughts.

As noted, most planets are going to have climate oscillations, meaning periodic cold spells in particular. So, as suggested, a very small landmass in the tropical zone is one solution to creating an always-warm place. An artificial living space is another, underground or in space, where the temperature can be controlled.

Children are a problem for writers here. Jean Auld wrote of a primitive society where close quarters inevitably meant children were exposed to adults having sex (which probably was indeed the norm for most of humanity until fairly recent times) but this site’s rules bar anybody under 18 from even seeing sex; them even seeing nudity is problematical. That poses a problem for a writer trying to create a complete nudist society on these pages. It becomes either too complex or too artificial - or both.

A writer can simply pretend children are not present or at least simply not mention them. That would work, I guess. It’s workable, but not for a full society. Or the writer can deliberately create an all-adult microsociety - think a research station in Antarctica or a naval vessel in mid-ocean. That obviates the need for children.

A major problem is that clothes are pretty ‘natural’. In primitive societies, partial nudity was widespread but there were very few where total nudity was the norm. Easter Island was one. Patagonia was another and of course Australia. Slaves here and there were kept naked. But covering at least the genitals is something the overwhelming majority of societies have independently inflicted on their members. So a completely nudist society would be... odd. Maybe fun, but a touch unrealistic. The key would be to find a good reason for it.

All of which, perhaps, leads back to Hedonism II. Might this be a ‘resort planet’, one where liberated and rich adults come for vacations?

 

[yukonnights]

There are several places where this fantasy is reality.

Club Hedonism in Jamaica (now closed, I think temporarily) is one example.

Cap d'Agde in France is a nudist town. It used to be just regular nudists, but the so-called "libertines" are slowly taking it over. Libertines are the sex-any-place-any-time-any-one crowd. the beach is divided into 3 parts: Family nudists, regular nudists, and libertines - where you can guarantee seeing at least one public display of some kind of sexual activity.

Then, for non-sexual nudist places: Pascoe County in Florida is home to several clothing-optional neighborhoods, and the pools are mandatory nude. Most of those places are populated by genuine nudists with no sexual intentions, but one of them has a robust swinger culture behind the scenes.

And of course there are several nude beaches - Haulover being the best. (See my screen name ) I've never seen sexual activity on Haulover, but I have seen sex on Baker Beach in San Francisco.

So, to write stories about an all-nudist, public sex scenario - I'd suggest : research these, base the story on one of them, and then let the imagination fly.

The law in the state of Oregon in the USA is actually pretty lenient on nudity. For example: To be charged with public indecency, you have to be engaged in a sexual act or an act intended to arouse the sexual desires of another.

But, I wonder if a nude culture/society/world wouldn't have the effect of dampening the energy of sexual attraction and desire? Is it not somewhat the mystery of the unknown that fuels the fires? I suppose our prehistoric ancestors were more nude than not, and somehow they got the "nasty" on — but was it erotic?

 

[flexus]

The law in the state of Oregon in the USA is actually pretty lenient on nudity. For example: To be charged with public indecency, you have to be engaged in a sexual act or an act intended to arouse the sexual desires of another.

But, I wonder if a nude culture/society/world wouldn't have the effect of dampening the energy of sexual attraction and desire? Is it not somewhat the mystery of the unknown that fuels the fires? I suppose our prehistoric ancestors were more nude than not, and somehow they got the "nasty" on — but was it erotic?

I think that the problem is more complex. No need to go back as far as the prehistoric societies, the Greek and Roman cultures were far more liberal and permissive toward the nudity and the sexuality. The marriage between close relatives (even parent - child) was accepted in these cultures. The prohibition of the nudity and the sex between adults and children and the marriage between close relatives were developed gradually in the medieval time partly due to the religion partly because the high rate of the congenital defects as results the too early pregnancies or between too close relatives. The prohibition of the nudity (and the sexuality) became more sever in the XIX century. But even in the early XX century, if we look at the lover levels of the society (peasants, poor workers, etc.), what do you think how are the children met with this things? If a whole family lived in a single room, probably the youth met with the nudity and even the sexuality much earlier as today. The covering the genitals wasn't only rooted in the morality but simple practical and hygiene reasons. Just imagine when you run through a bush and you are a male... brrr.

Back to the theme. I think that if we want to construct a society, where the nudity and the sexuality much more liberal we need to go back to the ancient times or far more forward in time. The nudity is one thing, the weather the climate is a limiting factor, but it's easy to solve (tropical Earth, alien civilisation in a different planet, space mission in a huge spaceship etc.) the sexuality is another problem. Even if the medical science will be so highly developed and everyone has perfect body (like a Baywatch episode) we have to do something with the children. I know that it probably will be changing with time, but nowadays the society (even me) not tolerate the child pornography. But because we can't exclude the under 18 (21... by some law) generation from a society the best if it would be an artificial society. Like an island for nudist or even a planet for them in a far future. When you will be pregnant you must leave the planet. Or your children must leave it. Or... if that society has given up the natural reproduction and rely on artificial systems like clones.

Between these boundaries it would be an authentic and exciting story without any logical or legal discrepancy.

The further questions:

1. the public sexuality is allowed or prohibited?
2. are there more than one social classes, even some form of slavery or is it an equalitarian society?
3. How are they related to the lighter or harder form of sexual deviance (not in pejorative)?
4. Is there any rule for the sexuality between humans and non humans?

and the final question: Who have enough time to write a such complex (and perhaps long) story?

(Sorry for my terrible English I'm not a native...)

 

[flexus]

But, I wonder if a nude culture/society/world wouldn't have the effect of dampening the energy of sexual attraction and desire? Is it not somewhat the mystery of the unknown that fuels the fires? I suppose our prehistoric ancestors were more nude than not, and somehow they got the "nasty" on — but was it erotic?

Sorry, I forgot to answer to this part: Yes and no. Yes the total nudity maybe not so interesting, but we can imagine that society as they can use a lot of stimulant, like sexy underwear, latex, etc. And from the other side: our closest relatives the apes are copulating even all days with everyone although they are "naked". OK, the human taste is different, but I think that in that imagined society we should keep some factors (marriage, jealousy, etc.) if we want to create a really sensual and juicy story. Without these elements it would be a boring text.

 

[SimonDoom]

Try Jessica Tang Von Harper's A Beautiful Day Series. It's a well-written exploration of this concept, where a botanist visits an island where people are much more uninhibited about nudity and sex.

Her story submission page: https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=2603107&page=submissions

 

[UsuallyPresent]

Other options for stable/stable-ish enviroments other than a tropical island could include:


arcologies (city-under-a-dome or one building big enough to hold a whole city)


moving cities based perhaps on a freighter or air craft carrier or other Real Big Ship - see this link for one top-ten or as mentioned in Stross' "Snow Crash"


orbital station/spaceship/starship


large underground facility/cave complex/... (PKD's "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" is a seriously dystopian variant on this.)


I'm sure I'm missing some alternatives too.

 

[LupusDei]

I think we often miss one aspect of clothing that pretty much guarantees that all-nude society won't evolve naturally: signal value of clothing. It is a medium, and an important one. Mandatory nude environments often are such primary for removal of this signal chanel, thus forcing equality and openness or at least unwittingly benefiting from this effect. At the same time staff -- as opposed to patrons -- are required to wear clothes; supposedly for safety/hygiene reasons, but actually for clear status declarations just as much.

Sure, there's always workarounds. It easily could be non-covering 'clothing' or just jewelry or accessories or even paint.

Finally, there's always the sheer practicality, and I don't mind thermo isolation that much -- the temperature range humans can adapt to being naked with some training is much greater than most would admit comfortable, and even more if the exposure is time limited. However, you do not fry greasy foods without an apron, and you never ever operate chainsaw with your hard dick waving around free.

So, as hot and arousing the idea about nude world is, absolute solution is absurd. Much more realistic and probably even more intriguing is environment where nudity is prevailing but not absolute or uniformly enforced. For example it's easy to imagine (for me) that people wear formal clothing to work, but prefer nudity for home and entertainment environments.

 

[Smal3hard5cfnm]

I have been working on a story about a man who want to be a nudist but needs help.
I just need an editor.

 

[Haulover]

Hedonism II in Jamaica is most certainly not closed. ...

Thanks for the correction. Not sure why I thought it was closed. (Did it close for a while, perhaps?)

Anyway, I haven't been there, but know many who have. And since it's still there, it's just taken a high place on my bucket list!

 

[flexus]

I think we often miss one aspect of clothing that pretty much guarantees that all-nude society won't evolve naturally: signal value of clothing. It is a medium, and an important one. Mandatory nude environments often are such primary for removal of this signal chanel, thus forcing equality and openness or at least unwittingly benefiting from this effect. At the same time staff -- as opposed to patrons -- are required to wear clothes; supposedly for safety/hygiene reasons, but actually for clear status declarations just as much.

Sure, there's always workarounds. It easily could be non-covering 'clothing' or just jewelry or accessories or even paint.

Finally, there's always the sheer practicality, and I don't mind thermo isolation that much -- the temperature range humans can adapt to being naked with some training is much greater than most would admit comfortable, and even more if the exposure is time limited. However, you do not fry greasy foods without an apron, and you never ever operate chainsaw with your hard dick waving around free.

So, as hot and arousing the idea about nude world is, absolute solution is absurd. Much more realistic and probably even more intriguing is environment where nudity is prevailing but not absolute or uniformly enforced. For example it's easy to imagine (for me) that people wear formal clothing to work, but prefer nudity for home and entertainment environments.

You're right. The story(ies) should be well balanced between the full nudity (everywhere, everyone, every situation) and the fully clothed world (like nowadays) a well-chosen mix would be the most erotic one. An indicative cloth sometimes more erotic than the nude one.

 

[Carnevil9]

Thanks for the correction. Not sure why I thought it was closed. (Did it close for a while, perhaps?)

Anyway, I haven't been there, but know many who have. And since it's still there, it's just taken a high place on my bucket list!

They had opened a sister resort called Hedonism III, which lasted ten or fifteen years. But then it closed. That might be what you are thinking of.

 

[Carnevil9]

......All of which, perhaps, leads back to Hedonism II. Might this be a ‘resort planet’, one where liberated and rich adults come for vacations?

There is a "pleasure planet" in Star Trek called Risa, where characters go to vacation. It always reminded me of Hedo II.