The Reality of Socialized Medicine

[gunthernehmen]

The remainder of the post you quoted answers that question.

Something about handgun murders (irrelevant, as only criminals murder people) and something about kids (also irrelevant, as the accidental shooting by children thing is a wet dream of the leftist media).

There is NO threat to the public, from an armed non criminal person. The only threat is in your own fevered imagination and the only cure for you is psychotherapy.

 

[gunthernehmen]

#450 above
Who's afraid? Hah!
Any country that has 120 guns for each 100 citizens (and that's not counting military and law enforcement) is a country living in fear. That's twice as many guns as the next most well armed. That's a shitload of fear.

Do you drive? Do you own a home?

 

[YDB95]

Something about handgun murders (irrelevant, as only criminals murder people) and something about kids (also irrelevant, as the accidental shooting by children thing is a wet dream of the leftist media).

There is NO threat to the public, from an armed non criminal person. The only threat is in your own fevered imagination and the only cure for you is psychotherapy.

"A wet dream of the leftist media"? Are you seriously arguing that kids accidentally shooting themselves doesn't happen? I don't even know what to do with that, if anything.

Fixed those two.

Did you ever take a history class along with that one political theory class that has you thinking you're an expert? If you did, you know the issue with the Boston Tea Party was taxation without representation (not to mention that the patriots did not have majority support among the colonists at that time). And I'm sure you do know that the term "liberal" has different connotations in contemporary politics than the classical definition of the word.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Something about handgun murders (irrelevant, as only criminals murder people) and something about kids (also irrelevant, as the accidental shooting by children thing is a wet dream of the leftist media).

There is NO threat to the public, from an armed non criminal person. The only threat is in your own fevered imagination and the only cure for you is psychotherapy.

You keep saying that. What is it,so far this year? One mass school shooting a week average?

There were zero "mass school" shootings in 2019 in the US.

Through to November there have been 45 such incidents following these parameters: The shooting must involve at least one person being shot (not including the shooter).
The shooting must occur on school property, which includes but is not limited to buildings, athletic fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses.
We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met, except in instances where the sole shooter is law enforcement or a security officer.
We included injuries sustained from BB guns, since the Consumer Product Safety Commission has identified them as potentially lethal.

There have been zero mass shooting events on school grounds in 2019.

A mass shooting event is three or more murders in a single incident.

Definitions are above. I did not scroll through how many deaths in each. One death though is TOO MANY!!

In Canada there have been a grand total of 11 school shootings period. The last was in 2013.


While I agree there is no threat from law abiding responsible citizens owning firearms( I use this statement myself in Canada) . In countries where the number of firearms is low per capita, there also seems to be fewer gun related deaths. Lower total homicide rates as well, you must admit, there does seem to be a correlation.

Oh and I still believe in Socialised health care... and I am dropping out of the 2 amendment portion now since it's not this threads basis. But someone feel free to start one on it , and I'll jump right back in!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Did you ever take a history class along with that one political theory class that has you thinking you're an expert? If you did, you know the issue with the Boston Tea Party was taxation without representation (not to mention that the patriots did not have majority support among the colonists at that time).

I did.....and??

M'aricans have still never been huge fans of heavy taxation, especially for the sake of wealth redistribution "because billionaires should not be allowed to exist".

And I'm sure you do know that the term "liberal" has different connotations in contemporary politics than the classical definition of the word.

Yes I'm aware of the lefts attempt to hide radical authoritarianism behind the term by lying to the ignorant and uneducated.

Doesn't actually change the meaning of the word though.

That's why despite my asking you numerous times what it is you think a liberal is, you won't answer.

 

[gunthernehmen]

"A wet dream of the leftist media"? Are you seriously arguing that kids accidentally shooting themselves doesn't happen? I don't even know what to do with that, if anything.

73 kids tragically died in such accidents in 2015. 2,000 others tragically died in fires, suffocation, drownings, falls, choking and poisoning. You want to save kids? Educate parents on how to maintain a safe environment for kids.

While you're ignoring those 2,000 kids, you can also ignore the 160,000 adults that die each year in assorted accidents and the 3 to 10 million victims of domestic violence. But you've got better things to care about.

You're a regular humanitarian, you are.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

73 kids tragically died in such accidents in 2015. 2,000 others tragically died in fires, suffocation, drownings, falls, choking and poisoning. You want to save kids? Educate parents on how to maintain a safe environment for kids.

While you're ignoring those 2,000 kids, you can also ignore the 160,000 adults that die each year in assorted accidents and the 3 to 10 million victims of domestic violence. But you've got better things to care about.

You're a regular humanitarian, you are.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

 

[YDB95]

That's why despite my asking you numerous times what it is you think a liberal is, you won't answer.

I'm choosing not to dignify your disingenuousness with a response.
I will say this: given what a great job the right has done of turning "liberal" into a dirty word, it's absurd to think anyone has been trying to claim the term for their own (as the far right certainly has done with "conservative", a far more benign term than an accurate reflection of their politics would be).

73 kids tragically died in such accidents in 2015. 2,000 others tragically died in fires, suffocation, drownings, falls, choking and poisoning. You want to save kids? Educate parents on how to maintain a safe environment for kids.

I'm all for that. But the reality is, the absurdly easy access to guns in the USA has led to a lot of loaded weapons being left in places where a child can easily fire them, and the results are often tragic. And all those other causes of death? We DO make an effort to prevent them. With guns, by and large we haven't done anything in decades.

While you're ignoring those 2,000 kids, you can also ignore the 160,000 adults that die each year in assorted accidents and the 3 to 10 million victims of domestic violence. But you've got better things to care about.

You're a regular humanitarian, you are.

Concerned about domestic violence, are you? Then surely you support reauthorising the Violence Against Women Act. But guess which party is currently stuffing that up in the Senate?

 

[gunthernehmen]

You keep saying that. What is it,so far this year? One mass school shooting a week average?

There were zero "mass school" shootings in 2019 in the US.

 

[gunthernehmen]

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Even if those numbers weren't cooked, it's a drop in the ocean compared to the other causes of death.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Concerned about domestic violence, are you? Then surely you support reauthorising the Violence Against Women Act. But guess which party is currently stuffing that up in the Senate?

Why would I support committing violence against women? You nuts?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

There were zero "mass school" shootings in 2019 in the US.

check my post #460 for my rebuttal

 

[gunthernehmen]

check my post #460 for my rebuttal

There have been zero mass shooting events on school grounds in 2019.

A mass shooting event is three or more murders in a single incident.

 

[YDB95]

Why would I support committing violence against women? You nuts?

Is that a joke? If so...yeah, really not very funny. If not, you need to google VAWA.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Is that a joke? If so...yeah, really not very funny. If not, you need to google VAWA.

About as funny as the jokes you crack here all the time.

 

[YDB95]

About as funny as the jokes you crack here all the time.

Feel free to show me where I ever made light of violence against anyone.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Feel free to show me where I ever made light of violence against anyone.

You're willing to ignore the 2,000 kids that die each year of largely preventable accidents so you can glory in the ones that support your agenda.

I think that qualifies.

 

[YDB95]

You're willing to ignore the 2,000 kids that die each year of largely preventable accidents so you can glory in the ones that support your agenda.

I think that qualifies.

WOW.
That is some remarkably faulty, but creative logic, right there. My hat's off to you for that much.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm choosing not to dignify your disingenuousness with a response.

I'm disingenuous because you keep insisting liberalism isn't a political ideology centered around liberty but you refuse to define it yourself?? LOL

Obvious projection is obvious.

More like you wont answer because you can't.

 

[icanhelp1]

There were zero "mass school" shootings in 2019 in the US.

Well according to the CDC 80% of gun murders are gang and drug related. So, the answer is!!! WAIT FOR IT! WAIT FOR IT!! OPEN BORDERS!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well according to the CDC 80% of gun murders are gang and drug related. So, the answer is!!! WAIT FOR IT! WAIT FOR IT!! OPEN BORDERS!!

They do NOT want open borders, they just want to decriminalize undocumented entry into the US and give official citizenship to all the undocumented citizens who come here....totally not the same thing.

 

[icanhelp1]

They do NOT want open borders, they just want to decriminalize undocumented entry into the US and give official citizenship to all the undocumented citizens who come here....totally not the same thing.

OH! So what's all the hoopla about open borders then? So we can just make MS-13, Chapo and his boys naturalised citizens and then all murders will be done by responsible gun owners. Then we don't need walls or border security then, because everybody will be one big happy family.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Well according to the CDC 80% of gun murders are gang and drug related. So, the answer is!!! WAIT FOR IT! WAIT FOR IT!! OPEN BORDERS!!

How would open borders solve gang and drug problems?

We didn't open the borders in 1933 and THAT problem settled down.

 

[BotanyBoy]

OH! So what's all the hoopla about open borders then? So we can just make MS-13, Chapo and his boys naturalised citizens and then all murders will be done by responsible gun owners. Then we don't need walls or border security then, because everybody will be one big happy family.

Exactly!! Border/immigration enforcement is racist!!!

 

[icanhelp1]

How would open borders solve gang and drug problems?

We didn't open the borders in 1933 and THAT problem settled down.

Friendly sarcasm!