How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

Scientists admit: Snakes once had legs as Genesis says

https://www.wnd.com/2019/11/scientists-admit-snakes-legs-genesis-says/

Genesis does not say that serpents had legs. Serpents could have had wings and wheels, as far as Genesis is concerned.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Genesis does not say that serpents had legs. Serpents could have had wings and wheels, as far as Genesis is concerned.

Let's find out what the Scriptures said:


Genesis 3:14

14 ¶ And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

I figure, in order for the snakes to change to going upon their belly, they couldn't already be on their belly now would they be?

So again, you are wrong.

 

[seeshelly]

I asked where you got your definition of hell and you sight a verse that doesn't mention hell.

"I got that hell is the absence of God from the Bible. Psalm 5:4 says - For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with you."

I asked why you think the issues is believing in God or not since from what I can see the issue had to do with obedience to God not believing he exists.

You respond: "The whole issue is whether we believe or not...."

Then you go on to say: "Sin is defined as a immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Adam was walking with God and God said don't eat that. Adam ate it. He didn't believe God. He was disobedient. His disobedience to God was a sin."

It is clear that he did not obey, which is my point. But you stick in the statement that he did not believe. Where does it say that Adam did not believe that God exists or even that he did not believe what God said about the result of disobeying? And the Bible tells us where Adam went. He did not go to "hell" he returned to the ground from which he was taken. He live 930 years and died. He no longer exists anywhere. That is what happens at death. No more thoughts.

This is the problem I have with fake religion. People have a belief in their mind and then whatever they read seems to support it to them even if it really doesn't say what they imagine it says. Then they pass it on to their kids and spread the lies to another generation. My problem is not with God or believing in God. I think it is self-evident that we are created beings. The issue is obeying which includes not going beyond what is written and making things up.

 

[phrodeau]

Let's find out what the Scriptures said:


Genesis 3:14

14 ¶ And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

I figure, in order for the snakes to change to going upon their belly, they couldn't already be on their belly now would they be?

So again, you are wrong.

Genesis doesn’t say that snakes had legs. Your interpretation of scripture is not based on facts.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I asked where you got your definition of hell and you sight a verse that doesn't mention hell.

"I got that hell is the absence of God from the Bible. Psalm 5:4 says - For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with you."

I asked why you think the issues is believing in God or not since from what I can see the issue had to do with obedience to God not believing he exists.

You respond: "The whole issue is whether we believe or not...."

Then you go on to say: "Sin is defined as a immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Adam was walking with God and God said don't eat that. Adam ate it. He didn't believe God. He was disobedient. His disobedience to God was a sin."

It is clear that he did not obey, which is my point. But you stick in the statement that he did not believe. Where does it say that Adam did not believe that God exists or even that he did not believe what God said about the result of disobeying? And the Bible tells us where Adam went. He did not go to "hell" he returned to the ground from which he was taken. He live 930 years and died. He no longer exists anywhere. That is what happens at death. No more thoughts.

This is the problem I have with fake religion. People have a belief in their mind and then whatever they read seems to support it to them even if it really doesn't say what they imagine it says. Then they pass it on to their kids and spread the lies to another generation. My problem is not with God or believing in God. I think it is self-evident that we are created beings. The issue is obeying which includes not going beyond what is written and making things up.

This response was not from me. I would have given you a different response. Would you like my response to whether there is a hell or not?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Genesis doesn’t say that snakes had legs. Your interpretation of scripture is not based on facts.

It doesn't have to say that the snake had legs. It is strongly implied. How else would the snake, as a punishment, have to begin to crawl on it's belly unless it didn't before? You are looking for a way out and you KNOW that's what it is saying.

 

[phrodeau]

It doesn't have to say that the snake had legs. It is strongly implied. How else would the snake, as a punishment, have to begin to crawl on it's belly unless it didn't before? You are looking for a way out and you KNOW that's what it is saying.

I’m showing you that the Bible is missing a lot of information, and you have to use someone’s interpretation if you want it to mean anything.

 

[ishtat]

"Religion is an advertising campaign in search of a product." C.James 1939-2019

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I’m showing you that the Bible is missing a lot of information, and you have to use someone’s interpretation if you want it to mean anything.

It's not missing anything. It's expecting you to use common sense there.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

"Religion is an advertising campaign in search of a product." C.James 1939-2019

Religion is ritual & rules. Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with God Himself.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Law against criticizing Islam closer than you think, expert warns

https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/law-criticizing-islam-closer-think-expert-wants/

 

[phrodeau]

Law against criticizing Islam closer than you think, expert warns

https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/law-criticizing-islam-closer-think-expert-wants/

There already is. I’m surprised that you don’t know about it.

Daniel 3:29 (ESV)

29 Therefore I make a decree: Any people, nation, or language that speaks anything against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego shall be torn limb from limb, and their houses laid in ruins, for there is no other god who is able to rescue in this way.

 

[ishtat]

Religion is ritual & rules. Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with God Himself.

All religions, Christian and non-christian are about the development of mechanisms to control their membership.

Some Christian denominations might imagine they have a relationship with their God but their G barely gets a mention for months on end.

What for example is your view of the use of icons, relics, pictures, statuary, saints and intermediaries in worship. In other words at what point in your view does a particular form/style of worship cease to be christian

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

All religions, Christian and non-christian are about the development of mechanisms to control their membership.

Some Christian denominations might imagine they have a relationship with their God but their G barely gets a mention for months on end.

What for example is your view of the use of icons, relics, pictures, statuary, saints and intermediaries in worship. In other words at what point in your view does a particular form/style of worship cease to be christian

Religions are about control, true Christianity is about a real R E L A T I O N S H I P with the True and Living God. It's not about imagining, it's about R E A L I T Y. If you are not alive Spiritually, you cannot understand this relationship because it is a Spiritual relationship in a different order of existence that happens simultaneously with the physical. The use of icon, relics, pictures, statues and saints is not part of real Christianity, but I won't say that they aren't truly born again, they are just in err.

In order to be Saved:

A True Christian believes that Jesus Christ died and rose again, shedding His blood as the Sacrifice for their sins and Places their faith in Him and His Sacrifice to pay for their sins, giving their life to Him.

These Doctrines are also foundational:

A True Christian believes in one God the Father, Son & Spirit. There is no other God and the Christian worships no other God.
A True Christian believes that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin.
A True Christian believes that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
A True Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the Messiah promised to Israel.

 

[Tryharder62]

I asked where you got your definition of hell and you sight a verse that doesn't mention hell.

"I got that hell is the absence of God from the Bible. Psalm 5:4 says - For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with you."

I asked why you think the issues is believing in God or not since from what I can see the issue had to do with obedience to God not believing he exists.

You respond: "The whole issue is whether we believe or not...."

Then you go on to say: "Sin is defined as a immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Adam was walking with God and God said don't eat that. Adam ate it. He didn't believe God. He was disobedient. His disobedience to God was a sin."

It is clear that he did not obey, which is my point. But you stick in the statement that he did not believe. Where does it say that Adam did not believe that God exists or even that he did not believe what God said about the result of disobeying? And the Bible tells us where Adam went. He did not go to "hell" he returned to the ground from which he was taken. He live 930 years and died. He no longer exists anywhere. That is what happens at death. No more thoughts.

This is the problem I have with fake religion. People have a belief in their mind and then whatever they read seems to support it to them even if it really doesn't say what they imagine it says. Then they pass it on to their kids and spread the lies to another generation. My problem is not with God or believing in God. I think it is self-evident that we are created beings. The issue is obeying which includes not going beyond what is written and making things up.

I have to apologize. I am use to looking for my quote and then a reply. I passed over this post. I will have to be pay more attention.

You have asked my opinion and I tried to tell you. The answer about Adam not believing in what God said and being disobedient is my opinion. You are right. I wonder if Adam even knew what death was since he had never been exposed to it before? Point to ponder. I was talking about not believing in what he said not in Him. Adam's body is in the ground but what of his spirit? Do you believe that we have a spirit?

I didn't think you were asking about my definition of hell. You wrote about the Bible not being in English. What were the original words and what did they mean in those languages at the time they were written? I know basically 4 words that are translated as hell in the New King James Version. They are Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus. I am not a linguist so I will have to leave that to someone more knowledgeable than me. You can google and see what they looked like in Greek and Hebrew. Those four words came out as hell being the most equivalent thing in English.

I think that you are also right that the Old Testament dealt with obedience. Verses such as Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always. Everyone forgets that Jesus changed things-look at the New Testement. Christians believe that to have salvation you have to believe in what Jesus did on the cross. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not parish but have everlasting life. Romans 10:13 New International Version (NIV) For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

You say that believing in God is self evident. That is your opinion. I know plenty of people on this thread and in real life that say not believing in God is obvious. We have to choose - Each one of us.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I asked where you got your definition of hell and you sight a verse that doesn't mention hell.

"I got that hell is the absence of God from the Bible. Psalm 5:4 says - For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with you."

I asked why you think the issues is believing in God or not since from what I can see the issue had to do with obedience to God not believing he exists.

You respond: "The whole issue is whether we believe or not...."

Then you go on to say: "Sin is defined as a immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Adam was walking with God and God said don't eat that. Adam ate it. He didn't believe God. He was disobedient. His disobedience to God was a sin."

It is clear that he did not obey, which is my point. But you stick in the statement that he did not believe. Where does it say that Adam did not believe that God exists or even that he did not believe what God said about the result of disobeying? And the Bible tells us where Adam went. He did not go to "hell" he returned to the ground from which he was taken. He live 930 years and died. He no longer exists anywhere. That is what happens at death. No more thoughts.

This is the problem I have with fake religion. People have a belief in their mind and then whatever they read seems to support it to them even if it really doesn't say what they imagine it says. Then they pass it on to their kids and spread the lies to another generation. My problem is not with God or believing in God. I think it is self-evident that we are created beings. The issue is obeying which includes not going beyond what is written and making things up.

If this is addressed to me, I would need you to quote the post so I know what you are talking about.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

https://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/48-morning_picdump-1.jpg

What about it? I don't get it.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

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[JA0718]

Ive died and flatlined 5 times in my life i saw heaven once. Nothingness for 3 of em. And i saw the gates of hell once and it was horrible. Heaven wasnt clouds or in the sky it was another plane that everyone i ever lost was there in a bar i owned everyones heaven and hell is differant its based on what u do in this life..... Any questions?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Ive died and flatlined 5 times in my life i saw heaven once. Nothingness for 3 of em. And i saw the gates of hell once and it was horrible. Heaven wasnt clouds or in the sky it was another plane that everyone i ever lost was there in a bar i owned everyones heaven and hell is differant its based on what u do in this life..... Any questions?

Yes, just because you had an experience doesn't mean it was from God. Any experience that contradicts the Bible is not of God. Jesus Christ created heaven and hell and He is the only one who can save you from hell. It is likely that satan gave you experiences in order to trick you into not choosing Christ and going to hell. There are lots of people who have seen hell and turned their lives over to Christ as a result. The reason your heaven wasn't in the sky is possibly because it wasn't heaven at all. It was a set that demonic creatures created for you to trick you. I would believe the hell one before I would believe the heaven one. God has given me a vision of hell. I know a woman who went to hell and God sent her back.

Believe Jesus and the Bible.

 

[Lancedalot]

Perhaps you should consider selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door, eh x?

Surely you'd be more successful.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

 

[colddiesel]

Jesus Christ created heaven and hell and He is the only one who can save you from hell.

No he did not. The prophet Zoroaster came up with the idea of hell and also the concept of a last judgement more than 1000 years before JC. The Jews picked up on this idea during their exile in Persian Babylon (589/539BC) and incorporated it in the Babylonian Talmud from about the 5th century BC and accepted it wholly as part of Jewish thought from about the 3rd/2nd century BC.

Moslems believe that Jesus of Nazareth decides who does and does not get into heaven. In that, Mohammed closely followed the teaching of the Ebionite followers of Jesus and his brother (James the Just). Basically you and the majority of westerners have swallowed the hokum of Paul of Tarsus who claimed far more on behalf of JC than the man ever claimed for himself.

Xfrodo, You would have a much better understanding of what JC was about if you learned about the common threads and shared thinking characteristic of the development of all the monotheistic faiths, especially prior to JC. Seeking to exclude and condemn everyone outside your very narrow compass of knowledge is dumb, - unchristian even!

JC's great sermon on everyday Ethics, for example, The Sermon on the Mount could have been delivered just as easily by his immediate predecessor the great Jewish Rabbi Hillel the Elder, and neither would have had the slightest problem with the concept of Humata, Hukhta, Hvarshta.