House Impeachment Hearings

[HisArpy]

And this is why he WILL be the 3rd President ever to be impeached. What a fucking honor. Something his kids will always be proud of. Traitors.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019...mpeachment-is-a-total-loser-for-nancy-pelosi/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/19/support-trump-impeachment-inquiry-poll-071396

 

[JohnnySavage]

Total bullshit. Biden's past criminal behavior doesn't indemnify him against investigation and possible prosecution because he's announced his candidacy for public office. Biden was never a viable threat to Trump in the 2020 election. There is no evidence, aside from superstition, the bumbling clown would be a the Democrat nominee. At present there isn't a Democrat candidate who presents a threat to Trump's reelection, hence the reason for this sham of an impeachment hearing, the purpose of which isn't to remove the President from office but to make him un-electable in 2020.

The foreign aid law requires investigation and certification that tax payer money will not be used for corrupt activities. The President is simply seeing the laws are faithfully executed.

That investigation and certification had already been done by the DOD and State when the aid was appropriated by Congress.

 

[Rightguide]

Holy shit he sure isn't.
He's taking great pains to inform everyone that it was Trump himself who ordered Sondland to "work with Rudy" about the "Ukraine situation".

And Rudy clearly indicated that holding up badly needed military supply money to hold off Russia was clearly contingent upon Ukraine starting a phony "investigation" of Biden.

Moscow Mitch is going to have his hands full trying to prevent an on-the-record impeachment conviction vote in the Senate. It will show the Senate's priorities for all time: either "Trump First" or "America First".

Nothing illegal in putting Rudy on the job. He is the President's personal attorney and the President had every right to distrust Ukraine and certain people in the American foreign service stationed there. Some had assisted the DNC in interference with the 2016 election. If you think it is unprecedented for the President to go outside the normal channels to conduct foreign policy you should probably study FDR and his advisor Harry Hopkins who conducted much of his foreign policy. The NSC and the "foreign policy consensus" are not in the Constitution.

 

[jomar]

Total bullshit. Biden's past criminal behavior doesn't indemnify him against investigation and possible prosecution because he's announced his candidacy for public office. Biden was never a viable threat to Trump in the 2020 election. There is no evidence, aside from superstition, the bumbling clown would be a the Democrat nominee. At present there isn't a Democrat candidate who presents a threat to Trump's reelection, hence the reason for this sham of an impeachment hearing, the purpose of which isn't to remove the President from office but to make him un-electable in 2020.

The foreign aid law requires investigation and certification that tax payer money will not be used for corrupt activities. The President is simply seeing the laws are faithfully executed.

What criminal behavior?

The aid had been approved by Congress for release. Trump could have simply released it.

 

[HisArpy]

Extortion and Bribery aren't exactly your legal specialties, are they BarristerTimmeh?

Try and keep up with the class, m'kay?

Oh lookie, rubbery has instantly resorted to Ad Hom in order to protect his fake messaging.

Bribery requires a corrupt intent, as has been said MANY TIMES on this very board. Something YOU seem to not be able to either remember or understand.

Extortion requires the UNLAWFUL taking of money or property FROM A PERSON under threat or by force.



Since you don't seem to have a very good grasp on these legal principles, as well as almost everything else, I suggest you stop attempting to practice law on the GB. You're not really good at it, but then you're not really good at much of anything so that's not really all that surprising.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

1. Biden was working WITH Congress in full transparency and in concert with US and Int'l Community

2. Congress (which appropriates money) can attach conditions to whatever they give in foreign aid. If Trump had wanted to go to Congress and present his scheme and advocate that it be official US policy he could have.

3. HOWEVER, Congress works in the interests of the country. Biden was acting on official US policy NOT for his private reelection goals.

4. Biden was conveying the condition that this prosecutor who was NOT pursuing corruption when he should have been had to go. US policy was to continue anti-corruption measures. This may well have included an investigation of Burisma. So NOT calling off anything that would have supposedly impacted his son. If anything the opposite was true.

5. At no time did Biden personally appropriate Congressional funds.

Thats it to start with

I don't want to be accused of whataboutism, but can you explain how there isn't a double standard. I'm by no means defending the behavior, but Biden definitely, undoubtedly did a quid pro quo. Just give me some reason why what Biden did was OK and what Trump did deserves all this rigamarole. They were both wrong. If Biden was wrong, shouldn't he at least suspend his candidacy? I think that would be getting off easily. He could have been impeached as Vice President.

 

[HisArpy]

1. Biden was working WITH Congress in full transparency and in concert with US and Int'l Community

2. Congress (which appropriates money) can attach conditions to whatever they give in foreign aid. If Trump had wanted to go to Congress and present his scheme and advocate that it be official US policy he could have.

3. HOWEVER, Congress works in the interests of the country. Biden was acting on official US policy NOT for his private reelection goals.

4. Biden was conveying the condition that this prosecutor who was NOT pursuing corruption when he should have been had to go. US policy was to continue anti-corruption measures. This may well have included an investigation of Burisma. So NOT calling off anything that would have supposedly impacted his son. If anything the opposite was true.

5. At no time did Biden personally appropriate Congressional funds.

Thats it to start with

Then why all the handwringing over it?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The only ones handwringing are you idjits

Then why all the handwringing over it?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So 5 or 10 minuet break, seems Nunes is caught with his pants down, and the Republicans need time to try and figure out a path forward...

Time out please Mr Schiff...

 

[Rightguide]

That investigation and certification had already been done by the DOD and State when the aid was appropriated by Congress.

The President has every right to "see that the laws are faithfully executed." The President is under no obligation to defer to subordinate government officials. he had every right under the law to see Ukrainian corruption was being addressed prior to the transfer of aid. He was under no obligation to trust the judgement of State Department officials working in Ukraine under who's purview the corruption had flourished and who had assisted in the subversion of his presidential campaign.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The President has every right to "see that the laws are faithfully executed." The President is under no obligation to defer to subordinate government officials. he had every right under the law to see Ukrainian corruption was being addressed prior to the transfer of aid. He was under no obligation to trust the judgement of State Department officials working in Ukraine under who's purview the corruption had flourished and who had assisted in the subversion of his presidential campaign.

So he deputizes his personal lawyer? It's a fucking circus.

 

[Lorilei]

I feel bad for whoever is in charge of changing Drumph's diapers today.

 

[Emerson40]

So he deputizes his personal lawyer? It's a fucking circus.

Elect a clown...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Six weeks ago, Trump tweeted this....
https://i.imgur.com/fSGFNoC.png

Today, Sondland directly implicated the following people in the Ukraine bribery/extortion and coverup:

• Donald Trump
• Rudy Guiliani
• Sec of State Mike Pompeo
• Tom Morrison (who testified yesterday with some really squirrely testimony)
• and....John Bolton(!!!)

Bolton seemed to be the only one to grasp the ramifications of the coverup and instructed staff to "lawyer up" just in case someone snitched.

LTC Vindman (or "Vidman" as Que and those userids originating from his VPN address call him) put country before party and so here we are.

 

[Rightguide]

What criminal behavior?

The aid had been approved by Congress for release. Trump could have simply released it.

His real bribery/extortion, as Vice President of the United States, to withhold one billion dollars in foreign aid if the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son's company, Burisma, wasn't fired. A demonstrable personal gain.

 

[HisArpy]

The only ones handwringing are you idjits

Then you're good to go with Ukraine investigating the Bidens?

 

[jomar]

yur star witness, FAG Vindman was AXED if a POTUS can hold aid

he said YES

now please fuck off

Which means he could have released it.

So please fuck off yourownself

 

[HisArpy]

Which means he could have released it.

So please fuck off yourownself

Wait, wait...

Are you trying to say that Trump is STILL withholding the aid to Ukraine?

Because I, and the rest of the world, was under the impression that he DID release the aid.

 

[RobDownSouth]

After today, I think it's safe to say that Pompeo is a Dead Man Walking.

aaaaand...Sondland is now implicating Pence. (Mother will NOT be pleased).

Bribery and Extortion everywhere and nobody seemed to give a God damn.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Wait, wait...

Are you trying to say that Trump is STILL withholding the aid to Ukraine?

Because I, and the rest of the world, was under the impression that he DID release the aid.

Bolton released the aid money, acting on his own and invoking the President's name.

Trump found out about this two days later, announced HE (Trump) had authorized the release (to avoid embarassment) and Bolton resigned.

 

[Ramone45]

Yes



Smearing Biden for political purposes, of course. That’s what the investigation was really about no matter how you try to spin it. The aid had been approved by congress to be released and Trump used it as leverage.

So this corrupt prosecutor was investigating Burisma, and you're saying that investigation was not warranted? Even if that were true, there's the appearance of impropriety.

 

[Emerson40]

"Was there a quid pro quo? ... YES."

"... we knew these investigations were important to the president."

"Again, everyone was in the loop."

"... we followed the president's orders."

"I followed the directions of the president."


The Tweeterdent is running out of room, under the bus.

 

[Rightguide]

So he deputizes his personal lawyer? It's a fucking circus.

Yep, just like FDR deputized Harry Hopkins and how John Kennedy relied on Ted Sorenson.

 

[HisArpy]

Bolton released the aid money, acting on his own and invoking the President's name.

Trump found out about this two days later, announced HE (Trump) had authorized the release (to avoid embarassment) and Bolton resigned.

Really?

According to you, Bolton usurped the authority of the US President and you're not having ANY problem with that? Why aren't you calling for an investigation, or prosecutions, or Congressional hearings over it?

Perhaps it's because like just about everything else you spew, it's a lie.

 

[Rightguide]

After today, I think it's safe to say that Pompeo is a Dead Man Walking.

aaaaand...Sondland is now implicating Pence. (Mother will NOT be pleased).

Bribery and Extortion everywhere and nobody seemed to give a God damn.

Not really.