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How To Get To Heaven When You Die

DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 8 9.2%

  • NO

    Votes: 44 50.6%

  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN CHRIST AND HIS SACRIFICE

    Votes: 22 25.3%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Total voters
    87
Your best hope

Your best hope of making it to "heaven" would be to find a way to accelerate to 187,000 miles per second. Even that would be a long shot and I don't think you would be allowed to stay.
 
seeshelly said:
Your best hope of making it to "heaven" would be to find a way to accelerate to 187,000 miles per second. Even that would be a long shot and I don't think you would be allowed to stay.
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Even at that speed you would never get there. It is above all of the Universe.
 
I hate it when people speak for God

phrodeau said:
How can anyone get there then?

Does God set a cosmic speed limit, then break it for anyone who asks?
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This is a good question. But only God can answer such questions. I hate it when humans make up concepts of going to heaven or nirvana or reincarnation. When people make this stuff up they put themselves in the place of God. So sick.
 
phrodeau said:
How can anyone get there then?

Does God set a cosmic speed limit, then break it for anyone who asks?
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I don't think Spirits are bound by time and space. Also, people who have had NDEs describe going through a tunnel, like a worm hole type of thing. Maybe they know how to open up worm holes if you know that that is.
 
What happens if we don't "go to heaven"?

I am so sick of religious lies and bullshit. But as long as it keeps spraying all over the planet lets get down to it.

So PLEASE do tell me this: If we don't go to "heaven" when we die, what does happen?

Don't feel any need to provide any kind of proof. Just make up whatever shit you have dreamed up or what you were told when you were a little tike getting your brain fucked.

Of course if you have any proof that would be great. Or even quote the Bible. I do have a great respect for the Bible so please do show us what happens when we die if we don't go to heaven.

By the way, I do believe the universe was designed and created. I don't have any problem seeing that where there is complex structure there must be a mind behind it. MY disgust is with fake, man-made religion not with God.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
I don't think Spirits are bound by time and space. Also, people who have had NDEs describe going through a tunnel, like a worm hole type of thing. Maybe they know how to open up worm holes if you know that that is.
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I know that there are worm holes in the Bible. I found one that went from 2 Samuel to Lamentations.
 
seeshelly said:
I am so sick of religious lies and bullshit. But as long as it keeps spraying all over the planet lets get down to it.

So PLEASE do tell me this: If we don't go to "heaven" when we die, what does happen?

Don't feel any need to provide any kind of proof. Just make up whatever shit you have dreamed up or what you were told when you were a little tike getting your brain fucked.

Of course if you have any proof that would be great. Or even quote the Bible. I do have a great respect for the Bible so please do show us what happens when we die if we don't go to heaven.

By the way, I do believe the universe was designed and created. I don't have any problem seeing that where there is complex structure there must be a mind behind it. MY disgust is with fake, man-made religion not with God.
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When we die we will go before Christ to go over what we did with our lives and if we believe in what he did on the cross.

2 Corinthians 5:10 New International Version (NIV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

If we believe in Christ and what he did on the Cross:
Romans 8:1 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

If we don't believe in Christ we will be separated from him. Hell is the absence of God.
Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

God gives us choice. If we believe, we will be with him. If we don't believe then we don't have to be with him. Not being with him doesn't sound fun to me though. This is what I believe. Hope it helps!
 
Tryharder62 said:
When we die we will go before Christ to go over what we did with our lives and if we believe in what he did on the cross.

2 Corinthians 5:10 New International Version (NIV)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

If we believe in Christ and what he did on the Cross:
Romans 8:1 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

If we don't believe in Christ we will be separated from him. Hell is the absence of God.
Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

God gives us choice. If we believe, we will be with him. If we don't believe then we don't have to be with him. Not being with him doesn't sound fun to me though. This is what I believe. Hope it helps!
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Well put! Thanks for the help!
 
Hell = what?

None of those text say anything about going to heaven.

You are saying that if we don't go to heaven we go to hell and then you give YOUR definition of hell. Since the Bible was not written in English what are the original words and what did they mean in those languages at the time they were written?

Why is the whole issue about if we "believe"? Was that what Adam did wrong? He did not believe in God? Or was the issue obedience? And are you being honest in saying that everyone that believes goes to Heaven or are there other things that the Bible also says are required to go to heaven? Who says that the choice is Heaven or Hell? Is that really what Jesus taught in his sermon on the mountain that is often quoted by religious money makers and fakes? ( I am not knocking Jesus I am talking about fake religion that makes money off of lies and fear mongering )
 
seeshelly said:
None of those text say anything about going to heaven.

You are saying that if we don't go to heaven we go to hell and then you give YOUR definition of hell. Since the Bible was not written in English what are the original words and what did they mean in those languages at the time they were written?

Why is the whole issue about if we "believe"? Was that what Adam did wrong? He did not believe in God? Or was the issue obedience? And are you being honest in saying that everyone that believes goes to Heaven or are there other things that the Bible also says are required to go to heaven? Who says that the choice is Heaven or Hell? Is that really what Jesus taught in his sermon on the mountain that is often quoted by religious money makers and fakes? ( I am not knocking Jesus I am talking about fake religion that makes money off of lies and fear mongering )
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Adam's sin was doing what his wife told him to do.
 
seeshelly said:
None of those text say anything about going to heaven.

You are saying that if we don't go to heaven we go to hell and then you give YOUR definition of hell. Since the Bible was not written in English what are the original words and what did they mean in those languages at the time they were written?

Why is the whole issue about if we "believe"? Was that what Adam did wrong? He did not believe in God? Or was the issue obedience? And are you being honest in saying that everyone that believes goes to Heaven or are there other things that the Bible also says are required to go to heaven? Who says that the choice is Heaven or Hell? Is that really what Jesus taught in his sermon on the mountain that is often quoted by religious money makers and fakes? ( I am not knocking Jesus I am talking about fake religion that makes money off of lies and fear mongering )
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None of the texts talked about heaven because you asked "If we don't go to 'heaven' when we die what does happen?"

I got that hell is the absence of God from the Bible. Psalm 5:4 says - For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with you.

Most of the Old Testament of the Bible is written in Hebrew. The New testament is written in Greek. There is always going to be controversy about translations as they get farther and farther from Hebrew and Greek. I wish I was a linguist and could go back to answer your question. You need someone more knowledgeable in this area than me.

The whole issue is whether we believe or not. If you don't want to believe you don't have to. John 3:16 New International Version (NIV) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. If a person doesn't believe in God they will get what they wanted. They won't be with Him. In essence God doesn't send people to hell;we send ourselves.

Sin is defined as a immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. Adam was walking with God and God said don't eat that. Adam ate it. He didn't believe God. He was disobedient. His disobedience to God was a sin. God, who created Adam, allowed him to have a choice. He made the wrong one.:eek: I wouldn't give you a choice if I were God. I would make you worship me and, like I have said before, I would have a tiara.

The bible says the choices are heaven and hell. There are many verses on each. My Catholic friends believe in another choice called purgatory. Long story short I don't believe in it.

Jesus taught a lot in the sermon on the mount. Jesus does talk about heaven in Matthew 6:19-21: “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. I don't remember if Jesus talked about hell in the sermon on the mount but it is later in Matthew.

Well you have a lot of good questions. Thank you for sharing them.:rose:
 
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https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/461-did-isaiah-prophesy-the-virgin-birth-of-christ

Did Isaiah Prophesy the Virgin Birth of Christ?

BY*WAYNE JACKSON

“Does Isaiah 7:14 contain a prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? Some suggest that Isaiah’s statement refers to a ‘young woman’ (not necessarily a ‘virgin’) of his day, who would conceive and give birth to a child, and that this event would be a sign to Hezekiah. It is then further said that Matthew took that text and applied it to Jesus’ birth, though, allegedly, this was not the meaning of the passage originally. How do we respond to this assertion?”
This theory contains so many flaws that it is difficult to know where to begin in refuting it. It can be traced ultimately back to the second century A.D., when it was employed by those who repudiated the concept of predictive prophecy that pointed to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah.
It has been filtered down, revised and refined over the years, so that some Christians now parrot the theory — though they haven’t a clue that the young woman notion was birthed from the womb of skepticism.
As briefly as we can, we note the following points.

The Background of the Prophecy

When the kingdom of Judah was threatened by a confederation of enemies from the north, King Ahaz was terrified. God sent the prophet Isaiah to calm the king.
The prophet declared that the evil forces would not prevail. Ahaz was encouraged to “ask for a sign” documenting this word of consolation, but the stubborn king refused.
Isaiah then directed his attention to the “house of David.” He promised a much greater sign, namely “the virgin” would conceive and bear a son, whose name, Immanuel, would signify “God is with us.”
The time-frame that it would take for the Immanuel-child to reach the age of accountability was used as a chronological measurement. Before that time-span would expire, Judah’s current threat would dissipate (which reality came to pass).
More importantly, however, was the fact that a much greater deliverance was needed in Israel, and such would be provided by the actual arrival of Immanuel — who is Jesus Christ.

A “Sign” is Prophesied

This prophesied event is designated as a sign. The term “sign” is a point of controversy.
While the word itself does not demand a miracle on a strictly etymological basis, a word’s meaning is determined by more than etymology alone. General usage and context (both immediate and remote) must be factored in.
The immediate context does suggest a*miracle. The king had been challenged to ask for a “sign,” either “in the depth, or in the height above” (Is. 7:11). This indicates something phenomenal.
Ahaz refused the proffered sign claiming that such would tempt Jehovah—again hinting of the supernatural.
Additionally, Matthew’s*inspired interpretation*of the passage clearly establishes the miraculous nature of the prediction (Mt. 1:22-23).
There is*no evidence at all*that there was a*miraculous birth*to a virgin in the days of Isaiah.

The Sign of a Virgin

The Hebrew word rendered “virgin” is*almah. It is the only biblical word that truly signifies a virgin. Prof. William Beck, who researched this matter with great precision, declared:
I have searched exhaustively for instances in which*almah*might mean a non-virgin or a married woman. There is no passage where*almah*is not a virgin. Nowhere in the Bible or elsewhere does*almah*mean anything but a virgin (1967, 6)
Robert Dick Wilson, the incomparable Hebrew scholar who was proficient in forty-five biblically-related languages, declared that*almah*“never meant ‘young married woman,’” and that the presumption of common law is that every*almah*is virtuous, unless she can be proved not to be (1926, 316).
Even the Jewish scholar, Cyrus H. Gordon, who made some of the archaeological discoveries at Ras Shamra, conceded that recent archaeological evidence confirms that*almah*means “virgin” (1953, 106).
The notion that*almah*merely signifies a “young woman” was first argued by the anti-Christian Jew, Trypho, in the mid-second century A.D (Justin Martyr, 67).

The Virgin Shall Conceive

Isaiah’s text plainly says “the virgin” (note the definite article, denoting a*specific*virgin) “shall conceive.”
The passage does not speak of a virgin who would marry (thus surrendering her virginity) and then conceive. She conceives*as a virgin.
If this alluded to some contemporary of Isaiah, who was his mysterious lady? Were there two virgin births — one in Isaiah’s day and another involving Jesus? There is no credibility to this view.
Additionally, the virgin’s child was to be called “Immanuel,” which signifies “God is with us.” If this name applied to a child in Isaiah’s day, who was this illusive youngster? He seems to have vanished as soon as he was born!
Matthew mistaken?
The suggestion made by some—that Matthew took Isaiah’s text and gave it an application alien to the original meaning—is unworthy of a correct view of Bible inspiration.
Preachers today who take a text, extract it from its context, and make it a mere pretext for points they wish to establish are strongly chastised and their credibility is compromised.
Yet men, under the sway of modernism, do not hesitate to so charge God’s inspired apostle in the case of the virgin birth. This is a shameful circumstance.

Historical evidence

The church fathers were of one mind that Jesus was born of a virgin, and Isaiah 7:14 was appealed to as an Old Testament prophetic proof-text.
For example, Irenaeus (A.D. 120-202) wrote:
Wherefore also the Lord Himself gave us a sign, in the depth below, and in the height above, which man did not ask for, because he never expected that a virgin could conceive, or that it was possible that one remaining a virgin could bring forth a son, and that what was thus born should be “God with us”? (19.3)
 
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13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.” 18 In that day the Lord will whistle for flies from the Nile delta in Egypt and for bees from the land of Assyria. 19 They will all come and settle in the steep ravines and in the crevices in the rocks, on all the thornbushes and at all the water holes. 20 In that day the Lord will use a razor hired from beyond the Euphrates River—the king of Assyria—to shave your head and private parts, and to cut off your beard also. 21 In that day, a person will keep alive a young cow and two goats. 22 And because of the abundance of the milk they give, there will be curds to eat. All who remain in the land will eat curds and honey. 23 In that day, in every place where there were a thousand vines worth a thousand silver shekels, there will be only briers and thorns. 24 Hunters will go there with bow and arrow, for the land will be covered with briers and thorns. 25 As for all the hills once cultivated by the hoe, you will no longer go there for fear of the briers and thorns; they will become places where cattle are turned loose and where sheep run.

So when did all that other stuff happen?
 
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