School shooting in Santa Clarita

[HisArpy]

Wow! That's a whole lotta stupid in one thread. Is there ever anything of substance in this dude's posts or is it all childish drivel?
K, Kinkster, what's your solution to gun violence in the US? Since you're so disparaging of others ideas and opinions. I'm assuming you have all the answers seeing as you're so quick to dismiss others in a notably peurile manner. That, or you don't see any problems with it and advocate gun violence and mass shootings.

While I'm not him, we should first get back to basics.

In the eons before "gun control" what we had was a society which understood that violence happens. The best course of survival when violence happens is to be prepared to combat it and defend yourself. Ergo, people carried weapons for that purpose, knew how to use them, and understood that others did the same and that in order to NOT get into "trouble" one had to be polite, well mannered and have good self control over one's emotions.

Now, enter the days of "gun control". When violence happens today, no one is prepared. We have no tools to use to defend ourselves. We also have no mental stability to cope with the event or its aftermath. We have no qualms about doing violence to others in either speech or conduct and good manners left the building decades ago.

Tell us, in such a situation what is the logical course of action to take to restore peace in our communities and society?

 

[Gypsytag]

While I'm not him, we should first get back to basics.

In the eons before "gun control" what we had was a society which understood that violence happens. The best course of survival when violence happens is to be prepared to combat it and defend yourself. Ergo, people carried weapons for that purpose, knew how to use them, and understood that others did the same and that in order to NOT get into "trouble" one had to be polite, well mannered and have good self control over one's emotions.

Now, enter the days of "gun control". When violence happens today, no one is prepared. We have no tools to use to defend ourselves. We also have no mental stability to cope with the event or its aftermath. We have no qualms about doing violence to others in either speech or conduct and good manners left the building decades ago.

Tell us, in such a situation what is the logical course of action to take to restore peace in our communities and society?

Wow...lol

 

[HisArpy]

Wow...lol

So, you have no ideas or solutions then?

 

[CandiCame]

I did address it. We don't expel bullies because of Federal money per student.

Was this directed at me? If so, why?

I just ask because it was posted right under my post but it has nothing to do with anything I posted so I was wondering if there was supposed to be a connection.

 

[Emerson40]

Ol’ Timmeh thinks he’s in the Hunger Games.


Do so many Americans live is such fear of a mythical bad man, or is it just an empty excuse to have their precious pew-pew shooter?

 

[domroger]

Apparently two gun buyer check laws have been passed in the House in February and March ,but Moscow Mitch in his guise of the Grim Reaper is refusing to bring them to the floor of the Senate .
So any school deaths by shooting after March where these laws could have prevented them are down to him .

 

[Rightguide]

So, you have no ideas or solutions then?

I think Il Duce Newsome has just signed into law 13 new gun control ideas that will further oppress the law abiding citizen but will do nothing to stop 99% of gun crime.

 

[RocketLauncher]

While I'm not him, we should first get back to basics.

In the eons before "gun control" what we had was a society which understood that violence happens. The best course of survival when violence happens is to be prepared to combat it and defend yourself. Ergo, people carried weapons for that purpose, knew how to use them, and understood that others did the same and that in order to NOT get into "trouble" one had to be polite, well mannered and have good self control over one's emotions.

Now, enter the days of "gun control". When violence happens today, no one is prepared. We have no tools to use to defend ourselves. We also have no mental stability to cope with the event or its aftermath. We have no qualms about doing violence to others in either speech or conduct and good manners left the building decades ago.

Tell us, in such a situation what is the logical course of action to take to restore peace in our communities and society?

Oh poopy, didn't want to get into this with you, Harpy. Honestly, I don't know enough about American politics or history to come to any relevant opinion on it.
Kinkster seems keen on attacking other's attempts at a resolution to the gun violence issue without proposing any solutions of his own, either do that or one should state that one doesn't see any problem with gun violence and leave it at that.
I'll tell you what they do in some other countries, tho, if that helps any. Committees made up of experts in all aspects of the issue at hand review what the major root causes of the problem are and inform the government who then table legislation to tackle those problems before violence etc. becomes a problem. Childhood poverty, lack of access to proper mental health supports, growing diversity amongst the rich and poor, whatever it might be. Could simply be education at young age. I'm not an expert so I'm not qualified to discern what those root causes may be.

 

[Gypsytag]

So, you have no ideas or solutions then?

Of course I do. Doesn't matter one way or the other, you're convinced you NEED this crazy gun culture to protect you from the crazy gun culture.

That's why I just sit back and laugh.

 

[Rightguide]

Oh poopy, didn't want to get into this with you, Harpy. Honestly, I don't know enough about American politics or history to come to any relevant opinion on it.
Kinkster seems keen on attacking other's attempts at a resolution to the gun violence issue without proposing any solutions of his own, either do that or one should state that one doesn't see any problem with gun violence and leave it at that.
I'll tell you what they do in some other countries, tho, if that helps any. Committees made up of experts in all aspects of the issue at hand review what the major root causes of the problem are and inform the government who then table legislation to tackle those problems before violence etc. becomes a problem. Childhood poverty, lack of access to proper mental health supports, growing diversity amongst the rich and poor, whatever it might be. Could simply be education at young age. I'm not an expert so I'm not qualified to discern what those root causes may be.

Here we have committees of Democrats who know nothing about firearms, firearms technology, firearms use, and a complete disregard for the constitutional rights of our citizens, sitting in judgement on firearms use and writing thousands of gun control laws that have little effect on gun crime.

 

[Emerson40]

Here we have classrooms full of children who know nothing about firearms, firearms technology, firearms use, or the constitutional rights of our citizens, being slain needlessly by firearms, despite current gun control laws that have little effect on gun crime. And we do nothing but offer platitudes.

FYP, poopsmith.

 

[CandiCame]

Of course I do. Doesn't matter one way or the other, you're convinced you NEED this crazy gun culture to protect you from the crazy gun culture.

That's why I just sit back and laugh.

The thing about that, "shoot back" thing is that... most people can't shoot that great? Like if somebody is firing into a crowd indiscriminately, they've got a much better chance of hitting at least a few people than a the 'good guy with a gun' has of taking them out. Most folks aren't trained assassins.

Harpy just lives in an action movie in his head, I guess.

The thing about this board that is absolutely buckwild, is that there are some posters who make it seem like everyone who has a gun is a fucking idiot. So then people see that rampant jackassery and think, "People who have guns are dangerous. They think life is an action movie."

That's not how the vast majority of gun owners are. The vast majority of people who own guns do so responsibly with no desire to play Lara Croft. They're literally just a fun collector's item with varying purposes. They can be used to hunt (which is an effective means of boycotting the factory farmed meat industry), for protection against home invasion (it's rare but it happens), for sport (marksmanship contests are a thing, it's an Olympic sport). And all those things are valid.

So trying to invalidate it by acting a fool and shit, like you're gonna be the big hero that brings down the school shooter and we should arm teachers so that we can, best case scenario, force a grown-ass adult to murder a teenage boy and pretend like that's a good thing because we're just evil apparently- makes any sensible, responsible gun owner look like a fucking idiot.

Y'all ain't helping and I wish to god you'd hush. You're not gonna but you're dragging down the unit.

Like it is possible to own a gun and not have everybody hate you. Idk why y'all are like this.

But that is not representative of 'gun culture'. Gun culture isn't a goddamn idiot ranting and raving about nonsense. Gun culture is a weekend hunting trip with your friends. Gun culture is the sense of pride when you, or someone you were rooting for wins a marksmanship contest. Gun culture is teaching your kid a life skill and responsibility so that they can just have it because it's part of your culture and it's fun and you're having fun with your kid. Like... y'all don't have to be evil.

If you're really out here acting like it ain't easier to kill a bunch of people with a gun than a knife, you're just stupid. Like you are. If you're out here acting like it's super easy in an extremely stressful situation to murder a child- you're either stupid or there is something even more deeply wrong with you. Y'all are making us all look like assholes and I want to distance myself from them. I am not with them. And they'll probably tell you that too. I don't think they're with me.

But I swear, hand to god, in the real world, most folks who have guns are more like me than like them. We don't want to arm teachers. We don't want to force anybody into that situation. We don't want to bring deadly weapons anywhere y'all say we can't. You don't want me to bring my gun in the wal-mart, I'll leave it in the car. We're fine. We're cool. There's a middle ground and we're not all assholes.

We also want responsible safety training. I've seen people on this board say that things like misfires never happen. So that worries the shit out of me.

Of course the cynical bitch in me says that because of that this is one of those things that if we just leave it alone long enough... we might just disappear that little problem. That might work itself out.

 

[RoryN]

Dad of the shooter was a gun nut.

 

[Klinkster]

Here is where to start: Enforce the laws already on the books.

The Charleston shooter, passed a background check. He shouldn't have.
FAIL: The FBI....and the admitted as much.
Has that been fixed? Obviously some problems in the NICS. Are they still there?

The Southerland shooter, again, passed a background check. He shouldn't have. He was a convicted felon.
FAIL: The U.S. Air Force.
Has that gap in communication been fixed? Does it exist in all branches of our armed forces?

The Parkland shooter, passed a background check. INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH. Why on God's green earth did that happen?
FAIL: Broward County School District, Broward County Sheriff's Dept, FL Dept of Health and Human Services.
Care to discuss detail? It's ugly what these people ignored. (See something, do nothing)
Has that been corrected in Florida?
Is this common, my guess it is in a big way, in other state, county, and city bureaucracies?
What has been done?

Need more examples? They are all too common.

 

[Klinkster]

Apparently two gun buyer check laws have been passed in the House in February and March ,but Moscow Mitch in his guise of the Grim Reaper is refusing to bring them to the floor of the Senate .
So any school deaths by shooting after March where these laws could have prevented them are down to him .

Please tell us what mass shooting, or any shooting, that HR-8 or HR-1112 would have prevented.

 

[Klinkster]

Dad of the shooter was a gun nut.

He died in 2017. Going to vilify the dead whorey?

Also, whorey, please define, "gun nut."

 

[HisArpy]

Oh poopy, didn't want to get into this with you, Harpy. Honestly, I don't know enough about American politics or history to come to any relevant opinion on it.
Kinkster seems keen on attacking other's attempts at a resolution to the gun violence issue without proposing any solutions of his own, either do that or one should state that one doesn't see any problem with gun violence and leave it at that.
I'll tell you what they do in some other countries, tho, if that helps any. Committees made up of experts in all aspects of the issue at hand review what the major root causes of the problem are and inform the government who then table legislation to tackle those problems before violence etc. becomes a problem. Childhood poverty, lack of access to proper mental health supports, growing diversity amongst the rich and poor, whatever it might be. Could simply be education at young age. I'm not an expert so I'm not qualified to discern what those root causes may be.

The problem is that no one seems to know anything, yet somehow they all have "opinions" on how to solve the problem.

Obama tasked Biden on how to prevent school shootings. His solution - ban AR 15's while telling people to scare off intruders by shooting a shotgun into the air.

The CDC was at one time doing research into gun violence. They were shut down because their research was blatantly biased and one-sided.

Bloomberg through his shill nonprofits, self-creates home-grown research from other nonprofit shills of his to prove guns are bad. Basically, he funds nonprofits to write research papers that his other nonprofits use to advance their anti gun propaganda. And even at that, they consistently FAIL in logic and fact application in their findings, as the court has noted numerous times in various litigations where such research is attempted to be used.

Congressmen consistently cannot tell anyone exactly what particular part of a gun is the "shoulder thing that goes up". They consistently claim that AR 15's are "large caliber weapons" without understanding that they're .22's which are a SMALL CALIBER. They somehow believe that a pistol grip, which actually allows you to have better control over your weapon, means that you have less control and more potential to hit innocent bystanders. They're also consistent in their belief that "semi" automatic is the same as "fully" automatic even when it obviously isn't.

In the end, what we have are a bunch of idjits trying to masquerade as experts while completely flailing and failing at it while the actual "experts" (those who own, use, maintain, and train with their weapons while also training the cops and other law enforcement people) get to say nothing on the subject without being lambasted by more idjits trying to score anti-gun social medial points.

Meanwhile society gets less polite, more violent, more emotionally distraught and mentally unable to cope whenever the bad guy comes calling.

My answer is for people to stop being such pussies and start being adults. NO ONE forces anyone else to arm themselves. If anyone personally doesn't want to bear arms, then don't. But don't cry to me when you have to mourn your family members because you're more afraid of a false narrative than the actual bad guys.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

There is no Constitutionally protected right to be an asshole to others.

The first amendment disagrees.

 

[Klinkster]

Obama tasked Biden on how to prevent school shootings. His solution - ban AR 15's while telling people to scare off intruders by shooting a shotgun into the air.

Correction.
Biden said "just fire the shotgun through the door."
How stupid is that advice? Any that is worse?

Shooting through a door did not turn out well for the 'Blade Runner', did it?

 

[Gypsytag]

The thing about that, "shoot back" thing is that... most people can't shoot that great? Like if somebody is firing into a crowd indiscriminately, they've got a much better chance of hitting at least a few people than a the 'good guy with a gun' has of taking them out. Most folks aren't trained assassins.

Harpy just lives in an action movie in his head, I guess.

The thing about this board that is absolutely buckwild, is that there are some posters who make it seem like everyone who has a gun is a fucking idiot. So then people see that rampant jackassery and think, "People who have guns are dangerous. They think life is an action movie."

That's not how the vast majority of gun owners are. The vast majority of people who own guns do so responsibly with no desire to play Lara Croft. They're literally just a fun collector's item with varying purposes. They can be used to hunt (which is an effective means of boycotting the factory farmed meat industry), for protection against home invasion (it's rare but it happens), for sport (marksmanship contests are a thing, it's an Olympic sport). And all those things are valid.

So trying to invalidate it by acting a fool and shit, like you're gonna be the big hero that brings down the school shooter and we should arm teachers so that we can, best case scenario, force a grown-ass adult to murder a teenage boy and pretend like that's a good thing because we're just evil apparently- makes any sensible, responsible gun owner look like a fucking idiot.

Y'all ain't helping and I wish to god you'd hush. You're not gonna but you're dragging down the unit.

Like it is possible to own a gun and not have everybody hate you. Idk why y'all are like this.

But that is not representative of 'gun culture'. Gun culture isn't a goddamn idiot ranting and raving about nonsense. Gun culture is a weekend hunting trip with your friends. Gun culture is the sense of pride when you, or someone you were rooting for wins a marksmanship contest. Gun culture is teaching your kid a life skill and responsibility so that they can just have it because it's part of your culture and it's fun and you're having fun with your kid. Like... y'all don't have to be evil.

If you're really out here acting like it ain't easier to kill a bunch of people with a gun than a knife, you're just stupid. Like you are. If you're out here acting like it's super easy in an extremely stressful situation to murder a child- you're either stupid or there is something even more deeply wrong with you. Y'all are making us all look like assholes and I want to distance myself from them. I am not with them. And they'll probably tell you that too. I don't think they're with me.

But I swear, hand to god, in the real world, most folks who have guns are more like me than like them. We don't want to arm teachers. We don't want to force anybody into that situation. We don't want to bring deadly weapons anywhere y'all say we can't. You don't want me to bring my gun in the wal-mart, I'll leave it in the car. We're fine. We're cool. There's a middle ground and we're not all assholes.

We also want responsible safety training. I've seen people on this board say that things like misfires never happen. So that worries the shit out of me.

Of course the cynical bitch in me says that because of that this is one of those things that if we just leave it alone long enough... we might just disappear that little problem. That might work itself out.

Hey, I like shooting as much as the next guy. But my guns dont define me or my country. I know there are gun owners with common sense, but in the US the retards outweigh the smart ones.
Guns and greed define america.

 

[HisArpy]

Correction.
Biden said "just fire the shotgun through the door."
How stupid is that advice? Any that is worse?

Shooting through a door did not turn out well for the 'Blade Runner', did it?

Shooting into the air or through the door - it's irrelevant to my point.

MY POINT is that human history is one long story about how people survived because they fought back. Some individuals died along the way, but mankind is still here.

Here's a perfect example of the false dichotomy of "gun control".

Police tell people to not resist whenever they're in danger. Just give the guy whatever he wants and he'll go away.

Hah. What a bunch of horse hockey.

Read this paper on crime and victim resistance

Resisting a crime by using a firearm generally reduces your chance of being hurt or killed, especially for women. A study by Gary Kleck found that the probability of serious injury in a criminal attack is two and a half times greater for women offering no resistance than women resisting with a firearm. Men are also safer if they resist with a firearm than if they do not resist at all, but the difference is smaller (1.5 times less likely to be injured)

Almost all studies show that resistance is successful in preventing the completion of a personal crime. This holds true in rape, robbery, and assault (23). Resistance is an especially effective tactic in preventing most rapes. A woman who physically resists a rapist doubles her chance of escaping rape.

Conclusion

I can’t tell you exactly what to do if you are confronted by a criminal. I can tell you that, based on the research, police departments should not be telling crime victims to “never resist” their attackers. Resistance is often a viable and successful strategy.

One doesn't need to be conversant with US politics to understand that self defense is better than nonresistance and compliance world wide.

 

[k4rto0n66]

Ol’ Timmeh thinks he’s in the Hunger Games.


Do so many Americans live is such fear of a mythical bad man, or is it just an empty excuse to have their precious pew-pew shooter?

OK, Boomer.

 

[butters]

OK, Boomer.

which gutless rethug are you, having to make an alt to reply here? sad!

 

[Sean]

Shooting into the air or through the door - it's irrelevant to my point.

MY POINT is that human history is one long story about how people survived because they fought back. Some individuals died along the way, but mankind is still here.

Here's a perfect example of the false dichotomy of "gun control".

Police tell people to not resist whenever they're in danger. Just give the guy whatever he wants and he'll go away.

Hah. What a bunch of horse hockey.

Read this paper on crime and victim resistance



One doesn't need to be conversant with US politics to understand that self defense is better than nonresistance and compliance world wide.

Gary Kleck. The John Lott of gun studies.

“Since a small percentage of people may report virtually anything on a telephone survey, there are serious risks of overestimation in using such surveys to measure rare events. The problem becomes particularly severe when the issue has even a remote possibility of positive social desirability response bias.

Consider the responses to a national random-digit-dial telephone survey of over 1,500 adults conducted in May 1994 by ABC News and the Washington Post. One question asked: "Have you yourself ever seen anything that you believe was a spacecraft from another planet?" 10% of respondents answered in the affirmative. These 150 individuals were then asked, "Have you personally ever been in contact with aliens from another planet or not?" and 6% answered "Yes."

By extrapolating to the national population, we might conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen spacecraft from another planet, and over a million have been in personal contact with aliens from other planets. That more than a million Americans had contact with aliens would be incredible news—but not the kind actively publicized by reputable scientists. Yet the ABC News/Washington Post data on aliens are as good as or better than that from any of the thirteen surveys cited by K-G as supporting their conclusions about self-defense gun use.”

https://www.vacps.org/public-policy/the-contradictions-of-kleck

 

[HisArpy]

Gary Kleck. The John Lott of gun studies.

No one cares what you think. You fuckers lost the damn war so you don't get to vote on ANYTHING American.