Impeachment Thread

[icanhelp1]

Well his lie was not a lie. He said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". When he said it, it was not to congress, he said it in an televised speech. As such the investigation began, he got impeached. And at least according to the Senate in their determination; since he never had vaginal/anal sexual relations with her, he had not lied. He did admit to receiveing blow jobs, and stimulated her with a cigar, ( that was fucking funny as I recall) so they acquired.

In a criminal case, I don't see how getting a blow job between two concenting adults is a Felony?

Many legal scholars considered Clinton's sexual tryst an { ABUSE OF POWER }

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Our left wing is advocating nationalizing the economy and getting rid of private property.

It doesn't get any further left, it's all the way over and getting more authoritarian in nature by the day LOL

So where are you to the left that our intersectional semi-Marxist are on your right???

There is a lot more room for your left to move left...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Our left wing is advocating nationalizing the economy and getting rid of private property

I've meant to ask this one. First the preamble:
I've heard about the Democrats wanting to increase social programs, expand health care, make changes to firearm laws, etc, but nothing to do with getting rid of private property, or nationalizing the economy?

Are you saying they plan on outlawing private property, and taking control over every single business in the US?

Nationalization usually refers to private assets or other assets being transferred to the state. That I don't see.

 

[Articulate_and_Analytical]

Have you heard the latest defense from the Republicans? Texas Republican Mac Thornberry is saying that Trump’s extortion scheme with the Ukraine isn’t any worse than the stuff Trump normally does, so we should just leave Trump alone. Thornberry says Trump does stuff like this all the time.

Throughout the hearing, you might’ve noticed a theme that emerged: Most of the Republicans steered away from questioning the witnesses; rather, they used their time to climb atop their soapboxes to complain about the process, launch conspiracies, and bully the witnesses and their own congressional colleagues with smears and innuendo. Anything but questioning the witnesses themselves.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'm just continually amazed at the fascination Canadians, Australians and Europeans seem to have with American politics.

Don't they have domestic issues of their own to worry about?

Not really no. You should be

 

[icanhelp1]

Throughout the hearing, you might’ve noticed a theme that emerged: Most of the Republicans steered away from questioning the witnesses; rather, they used their time to climb atop their soapboxes to complain about the process, launch conspiracies, and bully the witnesses and their own congressional colleagues with smears and innuendo. Anything but questioning the witnesses themselves.

Well, maybe you should tip toe back through time and revisit the Kavanaugh hearings, that despicable display from the democratic side of the senate judiciary tarnished the proud tradition of the senate judiciary. The most disgusting partisan character assassination plot in the history of politics.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, maybe you should tip toe back through time and revisit the Kavanaugh hearings, that despicable display from the democratic side of the senate judiciary tarnished the proud tradition of the senate judiciary. The most disgusting partisan character assassination plot in the history of politics.

Ford was a credible witness. Trump said so.

https://fortune.com/2018/09/28/trump-ford-credible-witness/

 

[gunthernehmen]

Not really no. You should be

Really? In a thread on healthcare, someone mentioned a recent suicide in Canada, that was required by your government. I remember you were somewhat offended but didn't deny that it happened.

Your citizens are less than unanimous in approving your own gun control registry/laws.

Etc.

 

[SecretSapphic]

Trump doesn't give a damn about the Ukraine. And he doesn't give a damn about the United States of America. Trump only cares about Trump.

And he's more than willing to commit crimes in broad daylight if he thinks it will save his ass in 2020. And he will throw anyone to the wolves if they don't aid and abet him in his crimes.

The evidence of wrongdoing by President Trump is overwhelming. The impeachment inquiry has been conducted so far in a sober, responsible way. As Wednesday’s hearing made clear, the witnesses are credible and clear, and the story they tell is alarming. All members of Congress are now compelled to listen to the witnesses and independently determine whether the president’s conduct warrants impeachment.

Mr. Trump used the immense powers of the American presidency to pressure an ally to open investigations that would help him personally. That much is clear just from the call memo of the July 25 conversation between President Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. Any American who has not read the call memo should do so, because it is as shocking today to realize that Mr. Trump said the jaw-dropping phrase, “I would like you to do us a favor,” as it was the day it was released. He followed that by expressing his desire for Ukraine to investigate the 2016 election and the Bidens. That is sufficient in itself to prove unacceptable wrongdoing by the president.

But today’s testimony made clear that it goes much further. Two respected public servants — Ambassador William Taylor, an experienced diplomat and a decorated Vietnam War veteran, and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent, the State Department official overseeing European and Eurasian affairs — testified that the president and his personal attorney sought politically motivated investigations by the Ukrainian government into former Vice President Joseph Biden and allegations concerning the 2016 election (the latter references an unfounded conspiracy theory that Ukrainians, not Russians, were behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, and the Ukrainians framed the Russian government to make it look like that country was working with Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign).



Mr. Kent testified that the undercutting of dedicated career foreign service officers in Ukraine did great damage to our national security. Mr. Taylor testified that, from his experiences over several months, he developed a clear understanding that, at the direction of the president, nearly $400 million in taxpayer funded military aid and the powerful optics of a White House meeting were conditioned on a public announcement of investigations personally helpful to Mr. Trump’s re-election efforts.

Like Mr. Kent, Mr. Taylor also said that the president’s interference in our support of Ukraine for political purposes was deeply damaging to national security. Furthermore, he emphasized the potentially deadly costs of the delay in military support: Ukraine’s conflict with Russia has resulted in more than 13,000 casualties, and “more die each week” in fighting in the eastern part of the country.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well his lie was not a lie. He said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". When he said it, it was not to congress, he said it in an televised speech. As such the investigation began, he got impeached. And at least according to the Senate in their determination; since he never had vaginal/anal sexual relations with her, he had not lied. He did admit to receiveing blow jobs, and stimulated her with a cigar, ( that was fucking funny as I recall) so they acquired.

In a criminal case, I don't see how getting a blow job between two concenting adults is a Felony?

"Well, his lie was not a lie"

Jan 17 1998 { lied under oath during a sworn deposition as a defendant in a sexual harassment lawsuit }

{ lied under oath in a civil deposition, denied sexual relationship with Lewinsky }

{ Witness tampering { attempted to influence testimony of a grand jury witness }

{ abuse of power as president }

You can see, it's not just a blowjob between two consulting adults. Clinton had a history of sexual harassment and rape since he was AG and Governor of Arkansas which had an impact on the house of reps. vote as well as the Ken Starr investigative report to congress. In the Whitewater case critical evidence disappeared during the investigation and magically reappeared after the case was closed. Had the DOJ pursued the line of inquiry of the missing incriminating documents the Clintons could have been charged with obstruction of justice.

 

[DawnONight]

During the first public impeachment inquiry hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday morning, House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Devin Nunes did not hold anything back and slammed Democrats for damaging the country. He also went after the media and again called on Hunter Biden to testify about allegations of corruption in Ukraine.

"In a July open hearing of this committing following the publication of the Mueller report, the Democrats engaged in a last-ditch effort to convince the American people President Trump is a Russia agent. That hearing was the pitiful finally of a three-year-long effort by the Democrats, the corrupt media, and partisan bureaucrats to overturn the results of the 2016 election. After the spectacular implosion of their Russia hoax on July 24...on July 25th, they turned on a dime and now claim the real malfeasance is the Republicans dealings with Ukraine," Nunes said.

"In the blink of an eye, we are asked to simply forget about Democrats on this Committee falsely claiming they had more than circumstantial evidence of collusion between President Trump and Russians. We should forget about them reading fabrications of Trump, Russia collusion from the Steele dossier into the congressional record. We should also forget about them trying to obtain nude pictures of Trump from Russian pranksters who pretended to be Ukrainian officials. We should forget about them leaking a false story to CNN while he was still testifying to our Committee claiming Donald Trump Jr. was colluding with Wikileaks. And forget about countless other deceptions large and small that make them the last people on earth with the credibility to hurl more preposterous accusations against their political opponents."​

K. Pavlich, Devin Nunes Devastates Schiff, Democrats With Fiery Opening Statement, Townhall (Nov. 13, 2019).

Meanwhile:

R. Scarborough, Impeachment accuser wrong on basic Ukraine facts, transcript reveals Washington Times (Nov. 13, 2019).

 

[Fuzzy1975]

"Well, his lie was not a lie"

Jan 17 1998 { lied under oath during a sworn deposition as a defendant in a sexual harassment lawsuit }

{ lied under oath in a civil deposition, denied sexual relationship with Lewinsky }

{ Witness tampering { attempted to influence testimony of a grand jury witness }

{ abuse of power as president }

You can see, it's not just a blowjob between two consulting adults. Clinton had a history of sexual harassment and rape since he was AG and Governor of Arkansas which had an impact on the house of reps. vote as well as the Ken Starr investigative report to congress. In the Whitewater case critical evidence disappeared during the investigation and magically reappeared after the case was closed. Had the DOJ pursued the line of inquiry of the missing incriminating documents the Clintons could have been charged with obstruction of justice.

From the court record

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.



Reading it was interesting, complete with Judges rulings on the evidence and objections. Thanks for the information to find it.

However I still stand by my earlier Opinion.

If you wish to compare Mr Clinton and Mr Trump on their sexual conduct, I'd suggest not though.

 

[gunthernehmen]

He followed that by expressing his desire for Ukraine to investigate the 2016 election and the Bidens. That is sufficient in itself to prove unacceptable wrongdoing by the president.

Good God.

He want to know if the Bidens had been involved with subverting the 2016 elections?

That bastard!

I heard little to nothing that wasn't hearsay or opinion.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

The Impeachment train wreck just fell into a gigantic hole with Nuland and what Kent just said about her.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Witness intimidation in real time’: Schiff and Yovanovitch respond to Trump moments after he launches Twitter attacks

Yes, he's losing it! Keep up the pressure Adam!

Former Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was asked to react to President Donald Trump’s online attacks as she testified before the impeachment inquiry.

Daniel Goldman, the counsel for House Democrats, had been asking the ousted ambassador about the president’s threats and smear campaign against her, and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) paused the testimony to read aloud the tweets Trump had sent out just minutes earlier.



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Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

....They call it “serving at the pleasure of the President.” The U.S. now has a very strong and powerful foreign policy, much different than proceeding administrations. It is called, quite simply, America First! With all of that, however, I have done FAR more for Ukraine than O.
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“Some of us here take witness intimidation very, very seriously,” Schiff said, and then sought evidence that the president had indeed committed a crime with his tweets. “It’s designed to intimidate, is it not?”

Yovanovitch told the Intelligence Committee chairman that she could not speculate on the president’s state of mind in tweeting the attacks, but she agreed that she felt intimidated by the posts.

“It’s very intimidating,” Yovanovitch testified.

“I can’t speak to what the president is trying to do,” she said, “but I think the effect is trying to be intimidating.”

A few more witnesses and Trumpski will self-detonate!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Really? In a thread on healthcare, someone mentioned a recent suicide in Canada, that was required by your government. I remember you were somewhat offended but didn't deny that it happened.

Your citizens are less than unanimous in approving your own gun control registry/laws.

Etc.

Sorry I missed this one.

So no there was no suicide required by our Government our government does not believe in the taking of a life, even for Capital Murder.

The unfortunate individual whom suffered from an incurable disease had two options, move to a hospital, where he could have been cared for until the disease he was inflicted with took his life. Or he could opt to use the DAD law (Canada has a law that allows Doctor assisted dying). The person however requested a third option, which is not available. Surely you can understand that you cannot tailor laws to meet ever single situation that can occur.

I was not offended by the unfortunate choices this person faced ( I was saddened actually). However the original poster made an accusation about the situation that was simple untrue. I did post the story about Sue Rodriguez who championed this law, and the actual law itself, for those who cared to read it.

We do not have a gun registry law. We do have legislation surrounding both long gun and hand gun ownership. There are certain requirements which need to be met to own them, store them, and licences to use them if you are hunting ( I have firearms btw and I use them lots).

Of course there are some in Canada who don't like this, just as there are some in Canada who don't think we should pay tax's. Far as I recall in a democracy unanimous consent is not a requirement for laws to pass.

 

[icanhelp1]

From the court record

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.



Reading it was interesting, complete with Judges rulings on the evidence and objections. Thanks for the information to find it.

However I still stand by my earlier Opinion.

If you wish to compare Mr Clinton and Mr Trump on their sexual conduct, I'd suggest not though.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Your inability to differentiate between the two is quite remarkable. Equivocating a rich playboy sowing his wild oats ( Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal ) while in civilian status to a married president having a sexual relationship while in the White House is quite different in scope. I'm not morally sanctioning either but having a sexual relationship while in the white is a breach of his most sacred contract and that be the one to his wife. I always questioned that if Clinton couldn't honor his contract to his wife then why should we as americans have believed he could possibly have the american peoples interest at heart. He cheated on his wife as AG of Arkansas, Governor of Arkansas and then again as president, do you see a pattern here. At least Trump has self control while in office.

 

[domroger]

You're entitled to your opinion.

Your inability to differentiate between the two is quite remarkable. Equivocating a rich playboy sowing his wild oats ( Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal ) while in civilian status to a married president having a sexual relationship while in the White House is quite different in scope. I'm not morally sanctioning either but having a sexual relationship while in the white is a breach of his most sacred contract and that be the one to his wife. I always questioned that if Clinton couldn't honor his contract to his wife then why should we as americans have believed he could possibly have the american peoples interest at heart. He cheated on his wife as AG of Arkansas, Governor of Arkansas and then again as president, do you see a pattern here. At least Trump has self control while in office.

Hypocrisy is strong in you .
A man who cheats on his wife with a porn star and pays her to keep quiet is fit to be President .I think not .
And how do you know he is faithful now ,he wasn't to his first two ,you see a pattern there .

 

[icanhelp1]

Hypocrisy is strong in you .
A man who cheats on his wife with a porn star and pays her to keep quiet is fit to be President .I think not .
And how do you know he is faithful now ,he wasn't to his first two ,you see a pattern there .

What part of "while in office" don't you understand. And what part of "I DIDN'T SANCTION EITHER"!!!! Morality is not a strong suit with either. Keep up with the class!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Sorry I missed this one.

So no there was no suicide required by our Government our government does not believe in the taking of a life, even for Capital Murder.

The unfortunate individual whom suffered from an incurable disease had two options, move to a hospital, where he could have been cared for until the disease he was inflicted with took his life. Or he could opt to use the DAD law (Canada has a law that allows Doctor assisted dying). The person however requested a third option, which is not available. Surely you can understand that you cannot tailor laws to meet ever single situation that can occur.

I was not offended by the unfortunate choices this person faced ( I was saddened actually). However the original poster made an accusation about the situation that was simple untrue. I did post the story about Sue Rodriguez who championed this law, and the actual law itself, for those who cared to read it.

We do not have a gun registry law. We do have legislation surrounding both long gun and hand gun ownership. There are certain requirements which need to be met to own them, store them, and licences to use them if you are hunting ( I have firearms btw and I use them lots).

Of course there are some in Canada who don't like this, just as there are some in Canada who don't think we should pay tax's. Far as I recall in a democracy unanimous consent is not a requirement for laws to pass.

From what I recall he wanted to stay at home until he passed (which he could have done as an American citizen here, btw. It's called home hospice and a dear friend chose that route).

Instead he was required to either go to the hospital and wait to die or to commit suicide. Right? With all the fancy words stripped away, anyway.

 

[magicalmoments]

I'm just continually amazed at the fascination Canadians, Australians and Europeans seem to have with American politics.

Don't they have domestic issues of their own to worry about?

Why would you be amazed by international interest in USA politics?

You promote your president as "leader of the free world". That imposition immediately catches the interest of those who have an active interest in international affairs. I accept that trump has never claimed the title himself and has worked actively to distance himself from it, but never the less he still has the launch codes for the US nuclear arsenal and, given his personality disorders, a wise person would be motivated to monitor his antics.

Besides all of this, humans are political animals. True, most never advance beyond the politics of the workplace or their circle of friends, some get interested in local politics, some national and some are interested in international politics. Nothing to be amazed about there.

What amazes me is that so few yanks have any interest in international politics.

Yes our own countries have their own political dramas and intrigues. Our elections attract the same mixture of apathy and activism within the country as the US elections do in the states but would you be interested, would you take the time to learn about our electoral system, the philosophies of our political parties, the personalities of our leaders? Probably not. That doesn't amaze me, it's typical of most.

Interestingly, the next NZ general election is to be held in November 2020. I wonder how much time the international media will give to covering that compared to the USA elections?

 

[KeithD]

Why would you be amazed by international interest in USA politics?

You promote your president as "leader of the free world".

Yes, I've always found that strange and amusing. It's particularly amusing now when Vladimir Putin controls everything that Donald Trump does or says.

 

[SecretSapphic]

Trump has an important job. As the head of America's executive branch he's supposed to be looking out for America's national security, America's reputation, America's foreign allies, America's schools, American commerce, American jobs, etc.


Trump refuses to do ANY OF THIS and instead only looks out for Trump; Trump's golf courses, Trump's hotels, Trump's foreign business interests, Trump's ego and Trump's relationship with Putin. Trump always puts himself first. You saw it with the Doral – wanting to have these foreign leaders meet at the Doral.


Trump doesn't give a shit about his duties as president of the United States. He only cares about his own personal finances, his own personal emotions, his own fragile ego and his ability to milk the presidency for everything he can get.


Trump doesn't give a shit about the American People! Trump is only in it for Trump

 

[KeithD]

Trump doesn't give a shit about his duties as president of the United States. He only cares about his own personal finances, his own personal emotions, his own fragile ego and his ability to milk the presidency for everything he can get.

So, let's take all of that away from him--as a lesson to all of those creeping out of the woodwork who are just like him.

 

[icanhelp1]

Trump has an important job. As the head of America's executive branch he's supposed to be looking out for America's national security, America's reputation, America's foreign allies, America's schools, American commerce, American jobs, etc.


Trump refuses to do ANY OF THIS and instead only looks out for Trump; Trump's golf courses, Trump's hotels, Trump's foreign business interests, Trump's ego and Trump's relationship with Putin. Trump always puts himself first. You saw it with the Doral – wanting to have these foreign leaders meet at the Doral.


Trump doesn't give a shit about his duties as president of the United States. He only cares about his own personal finances, his own personal emotions, his own fragile ego and his ability to milk the presidency for everything he can get.


Trump doesn't give a shit about the American People! Trump is only in it for Trump

Wow! Only two post and you've been elevated all the way up to the very top floor of the prestigious TDS hotel.