Does Trump Realize the Trouble That He's In?

[Ireadforpleasure]

The letter that Trump wrote to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was an embarrassment

As soon as the letter was published, professional diplomats and historians said they had never seen something so amateurish from a U.S. president.

And Trump managed to alienate his congressional allies just as he needs them most, with House Republicans voting overwhelmingly on Wednesday to condemn his decision.

Trump distributed copies of his amateurish letter to congressional leaders when they showed up at the White House for a briefing. Think of it. Even if the letter had been perfectly normal, what Trump was handing them was an Oct. 9 request to Erdogan to halt his invasion — a request that Erdogan has, as we’ve seen, totally ignored. Trump was bragging about what he considered to be a sign of his own brilliance without realizing that it was instead evidence of abject failure.

This isn’t new, of course. Trump still brags about how the 2018 election was a glorious victory for Republicans (it wasn’t). He brags that a published summary of his call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy cleared him of wrongdoing (it incriminated him). And on and on. The thing is, it’s possible for others within the political system to deal with a liar. But how do you deal with a president who can’t tell the difference between victories and losses? Someone for whom normal incentives don’t apply because he doesn’t seem to realize when things are going badly?

Every president has policy fiascoes at some point. Every president slumps in the polls. Every president makes hiring decisions that go wrong. But normal presidents, most of the time, recognize their errors — even if they don’t admit them publicly — and work hard to improve things. Trump, to be blunt, doesn’t. It’s destroying his presidency, and damaging the nation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...does-donald-trump-realize-the-trouble-he-s-in

 

[Dumpington]

Ireadforpleasure writes: "Every president has policy fiascoes at some point. Every president slumps in the polls."

Tell me about it. I still remember Barack Obama's disastrous first two years in office, when his hugely-flawed health care legislation DESTROYED his own party's numbers in the U.S. House & Senate (63-House & 6-Senate seats lost) - meanwhile, President Trump's party also struggled in its first mid-term elections (2018), losing 40-House seats while simultaneously ADDING and additional two seats to it's U.S. Senate majority!

Two years after Obama's 2010 election disaster, he was nevertheless re-elected president - and a deeply-divided Democratic Party today increasingly points to a Trump re-election win in 2020! The Democrats may have the votes to impeach Trump in the House (like the G.O.P. did to Bill Clinton), but they have NOWHERE NEAR the necessary votes in the U.S. Senate to remove this president from office (again, just like what happened to Bill Clinton!)

The end result is, a Trump impeachment VICTORY catapulting him past whatever neo-socialist ends up winning the Democratic Party's presidential nomination fight in 2020. Right now, it's increasingly looking like it's going to be Biden, Liz Warren, or Bernie - unless Hillary Clinton forces her way back in (which would be a HUGE disaster for that party!) No, President Trump is NOT in trouble, although the Trump-hating media will certainly do its part to pretend otherwise, just like they consistently did in 2016!

 

[someoneyouknow]

Ireadforpleasure writes: "Every president has policy fiascoes at some point. Every president slumps in the polls."

Tell me about it. I still remember Barack Obama's disastrous first two years in office, when his hugely-flawed health care legislation DESTROYED his own party's numbers in the U.S. House & Senate (63-House & 6-Senate seats lost) - meanwhile, President Trump's party also struggled in its first mid-term elections (2018), losing 40-House seats while simultaneously ADDING and additional two seats to it's U.S. Senate majority!

Two years after Obama's 2010 election disaster, he was nevertheless re-elected president - and a deeply-divided Democratic Party today increasingly points to a Trump re-election win in 2020! The Democrats may have the votes to impeach Trump in the House (like the G.O.P. did to Bill Clinton), but they have NOWHERE NEAR the necessary votes in the U.S. Senate to remove this president from office (again, just like what happened to Bill Clinton!)

The end result is, a Trump impeachment VICTORY catapulting him past whatever neo-socialist ends up winning the Democratic Party's presidential nomination fight in 2020. Right now, it's increasingly looking like it's going to be Biden, Liz Warren, or Bernie - unless Hillary Clinton forces her way back in (which would be a HUGE disaster for that party!) No, President Trump is NOT in trouble, although the Trump-hating media will certainly do its part to pretend otherwise, just like they consistently did in 2016!

But, but, OBAMA!!!!

To even compare a policy issue with the inability to write a coherent, ADULT letter to a foreign leader is truly pathetic. This doesn't even go into the near daily reports of crimes and corruptions perpetrated by the con artist.

It's as if the disastrous, narcissistic mentally of the manchild doesn't enter into your reality.

 

[Dumpington]

someoneyouknow writes: "But, but, OBAMA!!!!"

You're right, and I APOLOGIZE - nodody (not even Democrats) want to be reminded anymore of the failed Obama presidency!

"To even compare a policy issue with the inability to write a coherent, ADULT letter to a foreign leader is truly pathetic. This doesn't even go into the near daily reports of crimes and corruptions perpetrated by the con artist."

When I see the words "con artist," I can't help but harken back to the Obama presidency, and Hunter Biden using his father's position as the #2-man in American government to make millions of dollars in shady deals in countries like China and the Ukraine! And I can readily understand why the Democratic Party does NOT want those dealings made known to the public! Already they're ruining Joe Biden's presidential aspirations.

"It's as if the disastrous, narcissistic mentally of the manchild doesn't enter into your reality."

Do you REALLY believe that President Trump is more narcissistic than was President Obama? I don't. Nor do I believe that the Democratic Party has a snowball's chance in hell of removing President Trump from office! For THAT to happen they would have needed to have greatly INCREASED their numbers in the U.S. Senate in 2018, which DIDN'T happen!

The Brett Kavanaugh U.S. Supreme Court nomination fiasco in 2018 destroyed Democrat hopes of re-taking control of the Senate! Instead, Trump's Republicans INCREASED their numbers by TWO, and with the departure of anti-Trump RINOS Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, & John McCain (offset by the addition of RINO Republican Mitt Romney) translates to mean that Trump actually increased his senate numbers by FOUR!

And since it's the U.S. Senate that determines whether or not a president can be removed from office, I'd say that President Trump has nothing to fear from the Democratic Party's increasingly rabid attempts to stage a coup!

 

[magicalmoments]

Whenever I see a poster deflect back to "but but but o'bama" I immediately think here's another racist moron.

 

[Ireadforpleasure]

When Erdogan received that incredibly childish letter from Trump, Erdogan was insulted by its content and almost immediately tossed it into the trash. It was such amateurish and pathetic missive (containing puerile admonishments like “don’t be a tough guy” and “don’t be a fool”) along with a comical overuse of multiple exclamation points, that Erdogan initially assumed that the letter was a fake, that the actual leader of the United States would never be allowed to send something so childish and idiotic to another world leader.

But no, Trump really IS that idiotic!

Trump is an intellectually-lazy child, who refuses to read his own daily intelligence briefings, refuses to read the United States Constitution, seems to think that New Mexico is a foreign nation AND he throws temper tantrums whenever he doesn’t get his way!

 

[bodysong]

The letter is part of a book cover- (political theatre)

(We are not even allowed to see the real title, printed on the hardcover.)

We are not allowed to read what is written on the pages of the book.

We can only watch what happens.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

When Erdogan received that incredibly childish letter from Trump, Erdogan was insulted by its content and almost immediately tossed it into the trash. It was such amateurish and pathetic missive (containing puerile admonishments like “don’t be a tough guy” and “don’t be a fool”) along with a comical overuse of multiple exclamation points, that Erdogan initially assumed that the letter was a fake, that the actual leader of the United States would never be allowed to send something so childish and idiotic to another world leader.

But no, Trump really IS that idiotic!

Trump is an intellectually-lazy child, who refuses to read his own daily intelligence briefings, refuses to read the United States Constitution, seems to think that New Mexico is a foreign nation AND he throws temper tantrums whenever he doesn’t get his way!

I think the point here is that Trump is too much of an idiot to realize that he’s not above the law. He keeps tweeting incriminating stuff, committing crimes in front of large numbers of witnesses and confessing to past crimes.

Sometimes he seems to understand he shouldn’t have said stuff that incriminates him, and announces that he never said what he said.

This is also idiotic. Once you’ve incriminated yourself, there’s no way you can put that genie back in the bottle.

 

[magicalmoments]

It's a bit like his statement on the Colarado wall. Although not criminal, it's evidence of his technique.
"I only said it kiddingly". No you didn't you made a mistake in front of millions. You could plainly see that you weren't kiddingly, your were dead serious and you made a mistake. You should never, never, never ad lib from the teleprompter. You're just not smart enough.

 

[Dumpington]

magicalmoments writes: "Whenever I see a poster deflect back to "but but but o'bama" I immediately think here's another racist moron."

Are you calling President Obama a "racist" simply because he spoke at the funeral of a former Ku Kux Klan officer? But HOW exactly is that racist behavior?

Let's re-cap... back in the 1940's, Robert Byrd was definitely a racist! He joined the KKK and steadily rose through the ranks, eventually becoming an "Exalted Cyclops" in that racist, hate-filled organization. In 1958, Byrd was elected to the U.S. Senate, where he would go onto serve for just over fifty-one years! It was during his time as a U.S. Senator that Byrd voted AGAINST the nominations of BOTH of our nation's black U.S. Supreme Court justices (Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas) - the ONLY U.S. Senator who can make that claim!

But then - in 2009, Senator Byrd voted in FAVOR of President Obama signature legislation: ObamaCare! President Obama had desperately NEEDED Byrd's vote to get his ACA through the senate, and so when the once-virulently-racist Robert Byrd passed away the following year, the president delivered the eulogy at his funeral! If that seems awkward that a BLACK U.S. president would eulogize at the funeral of a former Klansman, let's not forget that when longtime segregationist senator Strom Thurmond passed away in 2003, Obama's V.P. (then-Senator Joe Biden) was the guy who delivered the eulogy at HIS funeral!

 

[YDB95]

I think the point here is that Trump is too much of an idiot to realize that he’s not above the law. He keeps tweeting incriminating stuff, committing crimes in front of large numbers of witnesses and confessing to past crimes.

I think so too. He's so used to always getting away with anything he does - from sexual harassment to stiffing his creditors - that he thinks it's going to right on working. Sadly, he just might be right...but we'll see if the Senate Republicans are willing to go down with the ship if his poll numbers keep sinking.

 

[phrodeau]

magicalmoments writes: "Whenever I see a poster deflect back to "but but but o'bama" I immediately think here's another racist moron."

Are you calling President Obama a "racist" simply because he spoke at the funeral of a former Ku Kux Klan officer? But HOW exactly is that racist behavior?

Let's re-cap... back in the 1940's, Robert Byrd was definitely a racist! He joined the KKK and steadily rose through the ranks, eventually becoming an "Exalted Cyclops" in that racist, hate-filled organization. In 1958, Byrd was elected to the U.S. Senate, where he would go onto serve for just over fifty-one years! It was during his time as a U.S. Senator that Byrd voted AGAINST the nominations of BOTH of our nation's black U.S. Supreme Court justices (Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas) - the ONLY U.S. Senator who can make that claim!

But then - in 2009, Senator Byrd voted in FAVOR of President Obama signature legislation: ObamaCare! President Obama had desperately NEEDED Byrd's vote to get his ACA through the senate, and so when the once-virulently-racist Robert Byrd passed away the following year, the president delivered the eulogy at his funeral! If that seems awkward that a BLACK U.S. president would eulogize at the funeral of a former Klansman, let's not forget that when longtime segregationist senator Strom Thurmond passed away in 2003, Obama's V.P. (then-Senator Joe Biden) was the guy who delivered the eulogy at HIS funeral!

Hey, if you edit that again, put a point in it.

 

[YDB95]

Hey, if you edit that again, put a point in it.

You know Dump well enough to know the point is in there: no matter what Trump does, Obama once showed respect to a Democratic senator with an ugly past, and that's a get out of jail free card for Trump.

 

[seeshelly]

What? Not a politician?

The letter that Trump wrote to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was an embarrassment

As soon as the letter was published, professional diplomats and historians said they had never seen something so amateurish from a U.S. president.

And Trump managed to alienate his congressional allies just as he needs them most, with House Republicans voting overwhelmingly on Wednesday to condemn his decision.

Trump distributed copies of his amateurish letter to congressional leaders when they showed up at the White House for a briefing. Think of it. Even if the letter had been perfectly normal, what Trump was handing them was an Oct. 9 request to Erdogan to halt his invasion — a request that Erdogan has, as we’ve seen, totally ignored. Trump was bragging about what he considered to be a sign of his own brilliance without realizing that it was instead evidence of abject failure.

This isn’t new, of course. Trump still brags about how the 2018 election was a glorious victory for Republicans (it wasn’t). He brags that a published summary of his call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy cleared him of wrongdoing (it incriminated him). And on and on. The thing is, it’s possible for others within the political system to deal with a liar. But how do you deal with a president who can’t tell the difference between victories and losses? Someone for whom normal incentives don’t apply because he doesn’t seem to realize when things are going badly?

Every president has policy fiascoes at some point. Every president slumps in the polls. Every president makes hiring decisions that go wrong. But normal presidents, most of the time, recognize their errors — even if they don’t admit them publicly — and work hard to improve things. Trump, to be blunt, doesn’t. It’s destroying his presidency, and damaging the nation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...does-donald-trump-realize-the-trouble-he-s-in

What? Are you suggesting that Trump is not a politician? Hmmm. I wonder if that was why he was elected? I wonder if that is why the swamp creatures loath him? He is not of the body.

 

[magicalmoments]

Trump is definitely not a politician. Not even the shadow of a politician.
He thinks he can run a country the way he's run his businesses, into the ground!
He sees Americans as his employees, not citizens. Your there to do what the CEO directs, not question a thing, you have no rights and can be discarded at a whim!
Trump is definitely not a politician.

 

[magicalmoments]

#10 above.
You are a deluded nutter.
Have you ever been psychiatrically assessed? You should be.

 

[JackLuis]

I suppose Trumpski does realize the trouble he is in, it makes him crazy, and then he trips over his tie again! That fat fucking blow hard, he has bluffed his way this far and he thinks he can bluff his way out of this shit storm he created.

Dump, no amount of "But, but, but Obama" will exonerate Donnie the Dipshit. Also, if you want to blast Obama, why don't you yell about his Droneing American's without due process or, about attacking a far distant country that posed no significant threat to America? You know like a common Bush?

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

Trump is definitely not a politician. Not even the shadow of a politician.
He thinks he can run a country the way he's run his businesses, into the ground!
He sees Americans as his employees, not citizens. Your there to do what the CEO directs, not question a thing, you have no rights and can be discarded at a whim!
Trump is definitely not a politician.

Trump is an idiot, however, he’s an idiot who’s not used to losing. In the past he’s always had his wealthy father, his lawyers and others to protect him from the consequences of his actions. My thoughts is that he believes someone out there will find a way to protect him once again.

 

[needit700]

you're full of it!!!

More fake news!!!

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Hey, if you edit that again, put a point in it."

You got it, phrodeau! And I appreciate your ongoing support for my posts!

YDB95 writes: "Obama once showed respect to a Democratic senator with an ugly past, and that's a get out of jail free card for Trump."

President Obama is the last U.S. president to honor a former high-ranking Ku Kux Klan officer by delivering the eulogy at the man's funeral, just as Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger ALSO spoke at KKK events! So HOW is any of that related in any way to President Trump?

And WHY would Trump need a "get out of jail free card?" Wouldn't he have to break a law first? (Being elected the president of the United States is NOT a violation of any laws!)

seeshelly asks: "Are you suggesting that Trump is not a politician?"

magicalmoments answers: "Trump is definitely not a politician."

I am going to agree with magicalmoments here. A politician is somebody who says what he or she believes will win them votes. The Democratic Party is CHOCK-FULL of politicians. Donald Trump is more of a STATESMAN!

A "statesman" is somebody who LEADS in the right direction, regardless of whether or not it will win him (or her) votes.

JackLuis writes: "Dump, no amount of "But, but, but Obama" will exonerate Donnie the Dipshit."

I get it, Jack - NOBODY wants to be reminded of President "Rainbow Lights" Obama anymore. But your Democratic Party simply DOESN'T have the necessary votes to end the Trump presidency. Yes, the House can certainly impeach, followed by President Trump then winning a HUGE VICTORY in the U.S. Senate, ultimately catapulting him to an easy re-election victory in 2020! Case closed!

 

[YDB95]

President Obama is the last U.S. president to honor a former high-ranking Ku Kux Klan officer by delivering the eulogy at the man's funeral, just as Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger ALSO spoke at KKK events! So HOW is any of that related in any way to President Trump?

You tell us how it's related to Trump; YOU are the one who brought it up in the first place.

 

[akatrex]

IMPEACHMENT? Do you mean the Top Secret Impeachment? The one where you cannot cross-examine the witness, cannot have a Lawyer present?

It will never get through the Senate.

Pelosi won't have an Impeachment Vote as it will put everyone on Record.

https://media.tenor.com/images/a10b1ec07525e6bd7a7be02677036908/tenor.gif

 

[domroger]

IMPEACHMENT? Do you mean the Top Secret Impeachment? The one where you cannot cross-examine the witness, cannot have a Lawyer present?

It will never get through the Senate.

Pelosi won't have an Impeachment Vote as it will put everyone on Record.

https://media.tenor.com/images/a10b1ec07525e6bd7a7be02677036908/tenor.gif

Fyi Republlcans and their lawyers are present and have equal time for questioning .
I advise you to broaden your news access .

 

[YDB95]

Fyi Republlcans and their lawyers are present and have equal time for questioning .
I advise you to broaden your news access .

Not only that, but the way the hearings are being run is exactly the way they were run with Clinton and Nixon. This is just another example of Republicans convincing their gullible supporters that a perfectly run-of-the-mill event is somehow scandalous. (Another example was when they accused the Clintons of "trashing" the White House offices when they left - the repairs and updates that were necessary then were completely normal for an office building that hadn't been renovated in eight years.)


Also, impeachment hearings are analogous to a grand jury choosing whether or not to issue an indictment. Cross-examining and the like come during the trial itself, which will happen in the Senate.

 

[magicalmoments]

#22 above.
You don't understand the impeachment process do you.
The only place a presidential impeachment trial can be held (in the USA) is the senate.
It hasn't started yet. When it does there will be s full trial, witnesses will be cross examined, it is a full trial.
Your comments are premature.