Disaster in the Making

[juttjaw]

Other countries don't pay their bills.
Sorry situmonthecactus, that's a fact.

It's also a fact that Trump doesn't pay bills. American banks stopped lending him money because of it. I bet a lot of contractors and former employees will back that up as well. But no, he's a good leader, he has infinite wisdom, he knows how to do, say, be everything the best. That's a fact.

 

[Klinkster]

It's also a fact that Trump doesn't pay bills. American banks stopped lending him money because of it. I bet a lot of contractors and former employees will back that up as well. But no, he's a good leader, he has infinite wisdom, he knows how to do, say, be everything the best. That's a fact.

And you know this how?
Fact is, you don't know this.
More information from the DMSU maybe?

 

[zipman]

https://i.imgur.com/gHGY9jp.jpg.....

It's nice to see you take a break from politics to share your masturbation fantasies with all of us.

 

[juttjaw]

And you know this how?
Fact is, you don't know this.
More information from the DMSU maybe?

I doesn't matter how I know, does it? Stomp your feet and point and yell, that will always make you right. I honestly hope that you never have to suffer any repercussions from the president you support. Hopefully, all this will be sifted out over time and all that's left is books that detail his disaster of a presidency. Nobody deserves to suffer for any of this bullshit. Not even his most diehard apologists.

 

[Klinkster]

I doesn't matter how I know, does it? Stomp your feet and point and yell, that will always make you right. I honestly hope that you never have to suffer any repercussions from the president you support. Hopefully, all this will be sifted out over time and all that's left is books that detail his disaster of a presidency. Nobody deserves to suffer for any of this bullshit. Not even his most diehard apologists.

Got it.
You got nuthin'....past name calling & accusations.

Yup....I been suffering....
My business, and people in my business, are in a boom. So much so, after years of previous admin's putting us on the endangered species list, it's hard to find experienced people to hire.
Yeah....it's a disaster. (NOT)

 

[Aglaopheme]

Let’s see just from the last couple of days:

Pay freeze at the UN? Trump administration owes the United Nations $1 billion
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-deficits-says-others-should-pay/3917554002/

Unpaid bills pile up in Trump rallies’ wake

Donald Trump has raised record amounts of money as a presidential candidate. But he’s still left a slew of unpaid bills in his wake.

In city after city, across the nation, Trump has failed to pay local officials who provide thousands of dollars’ worth of security assistance to the president’s campaign during his Make America Great Again rallies.

In total, at least 10 cities have complained that the campaign has not reimbursed them for services provided by local police and fire departments, totaling more than $840,000, according to a study by the Center for Public Integrity in June.

Minneapolis may find itself next on the list

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/trump-rallies-unpaid-bills-039631

 

[Emerson40]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a8f67e1d46cbb7b33a6681b97df01f74/99c9465cc578f428-ab/s500x750/28862da4e1bfcb1d10add29b35a0a95d1aee101e.jpg

 

[RobDownSouth]

Waaay back in 2016, Hillary Clinton warned of us of Trump's 20 most consequential conflicts of interest. This was #6...
https://i.imgur.com/yNbcRzV.jpg

 

[DeluxAuto]

"I voted for the lesser of two evils!"

 

[suurfer]

Klinkster sounds like toeskr's less evil twin.

 

[suurfer]

I find it very interesting that no one really knows what's going on behind the scenes but yet we cast judgement out of ignorance.

Countries have been prodded and pushed to help solve this ISIS prisoner issue and pretty much no one stepped forward. We don't need another Guantanamo in northern Syria.

As sure as I'm sitting here, the fake media is going to procure photos of women and children killed and the IRATE lefty lunes are going to be screaming from the tops of buildings that Trump is a baby killer.

If it gets ugly it could spell disaster to the Trump re-election hopes and senate support in the impeachment proceedings. Timing couldn't be worst for Trump! Whether right or wrong the pull out is not popular with most political pundits.

Interesting post.
Also: what do you think of this, which I read somewhere?


Yes, kurdish laypeople have been massively oppressed and killed in Turkey, but that doesn't mean that kurdish insurgents are poster boys for innocence.

While kurdish forces initially fought ISIS, their goal eventually moved towards making Northern Syria autonomous and eventually, to dismember it from Syria into the Greater Kurdistan.

They would have been far better off if they stuck with Syria, they would have had their protection. Now they're left alone in facing Turkey's troops, whose main goal is to squash the separatists who want SE Turkey to seccess too from Turkey, into the Greater Kurdistan.




PS:
I'm in no way defending Turkey, whose current neo-ottomanism, and historical genocidal tendencies are well known. Nor Assad, God forbid. I just found it interesting.

 

[SpeareChucker]

*chuckle*

Watching the contortions from those who spent years here
defending the Obama pullouts who now see such a move
as a negative thing, but only because Trump has emulated...

 

[coati]

*chuckle*

Watching the contortions from those who spent years here
defending the Obama pullouts who now see such a move
as a negative thing, but only because Trump has emulated...

Too bad Trump's not getting the support of his own party on this one. No wonder he is calling Mitch three times a day in a panic.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You know that for a fact?




*chuckle*

Funny how fast the echoes travel in the chamber...

 

[bellisarius]

The issue with the Turks and the Kurds predates Trump. Hell, it goes back to the Ottoman Empire (which Erdogan seems to want to restore).

I'm not all that happy about hanging the Kurds out in the wind but Trump has a point too. Just how much of the world are we to 'police?' Should we intervene in the Uyghur issue in China? Invade Russia over the Uzbeks? The Christian's in Iran? Send troops to Hong Kong?

Are we to go to war with Turkey over this? How about we kick them out of NATO.

Just how much blood and treasure are we expected to spend in trying to stamp out oppression all over the world? The fact is we don't have enough blood OR treasure for that task.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Turkey might find out, in short order,
that the Kurds are not going to go
quietly into that gentle night...

 

[suurfer]

I'm not all that happy about hanging the Kurds out in the wind but Trump has a point too. Just how much of the world are we to 'police?' Should we intervene in the Uyghur issue in China? Invade Russia over the Uzbeks? The Christian's in Iran? Send troops to Hong Kong?

Are we to go to war with Turkey over this? How about we kick them out of NATO.

Just how much blood and treasure are we expected to spend in trying to stamp out oppression all over the world? The fact is we don't have enough blood OR treasure for that task.

Good points.
I'm no fan of Trump - because billionaires are now paying less tax than the working class.
-- But I understand that he showed sound logic & morals in his approach to US national security and US external politics.

Another thing:
One craves for an editorial to explain the Syria complicated chess board game.
I browsed, but all I found in mainstream massmedia (L or R) were emotional, heavily biased discourses, with a clear pre-electoral pro/anti Trump agenda.

The only one that I found to offer an explanation, was RT.
But they obviously are very biased against kurds and the US, so can one trust them?
See my comment below, adapted from this & readers' comments:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/470438-kurds-syria-trump-withdrawal/

The issue with the Turks and the Kurds predates Trump. Hell, it goes back to the Ottoman Empire (which Erdogan seems to want to restore).

Yes, they have a dangerous imperialistic and genocidal tradition, and they're already trying to subtly infiltrate the Muslim side of SE Europe.
And I'm not brushing aside their oppression or genocide of kurds either.

But is that what their war with kurds is about? Isn't it about the fact that kurds want to take large chunks out of Iran, Syria, Turkey and Irak and create the great Kurdistan?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Just an aside:

The rich are never going to pay what the less than rich deem "a fair share."
That's just a law of nature: with wealth comes power.
Consider their political donations as
part of their "tax."

 

[bellisarius]

The entirety of the middle East is tribal in nature. Singling out the Kurds would be discriminatory. The tribal affiliations are broken down by region, cultural, and religious affiliations. Keeping those tribes separated from one another would consume all of the resources of the US and we'd still fail.

As a side note, the drive by the modern "progressives" to break the US down into tribal elements would necessarily end up with the US looking like the Mideast.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The progs decided long ago that they would be the tribe on top...

 

[bellisarius]

The progs decided long ago that they would be the tribe on top...

Let them think that.

"Free Pineland"

 

[SpeareChucker]

Let them think that.

"Free Pineland"

The times they wish for and agitate for
are precisely the times they are not prepared for...

 

[suurfer]

The entirety of the middle East is tribal in nature. Singling out the Kurds would be discriminatory. The tribal affiliations are broken down by region, cultural, and religious affiliations. Keeping those tribes separated from one another would consume all of the resources of the US and we'd still fail.

As a side note, the drive by the modern "progressives" to break the US down into tribal elements would necessarily end up with the US looking like the Mideast.

These need to be framed as words of wisdom.

It's exactly the contrast between

traditional assimilation of Muslim communities in US and Australia, which (despite some racism or bigotry) led to a more or less peaceful co-existence and reciprocal tolerance.

and the recent 'multiculturalism' movement in the UK, Sweden and Northern Europe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a8f67e1d46cbb7b33a6681b97df01f74/99c9465cc578f428-ab/s500x750/28862da4e1bfcb1d10add29b35a0a95d1aee101e.jpg

LOL by a bunch of people who couldn't tell you the difference between a Kurd and a Sunni and didn't support eternal war with no purpose until Trump pulled troops out.

Brilliant.

 

[zipman]

The issue with the Turks and the Kurds predates Trump. Hell, it goes back to the Ottoman Empire (which Erdogan seems to want to restore).

I'm not all that happy about hanging the Kurds out in the wind but Trump has a point too. Just how much of the world are we to 'police?' Should we intervene in the Uyghur issue in China? Invade Russia over the Uzbeks? The Christian's in Iran? Send troops to Hong Kong?

Are we to go to war with Turkey over this? How about we kick them out of NATO.

Just how much blood and treasure are we expected to spend in trying to stamp out oppression all over the world? The fact is we don't have enough blood OR treasure for that task.

OF course the issue predates Trump. No one is suggesting that it doesn't. But the difference between the Kurds and the other groups you mentioned is that the Kurds not only fought for the US against ISIS but are needed to continue to fight them and guard their prisoners.

No one is suggesting going to war with Turkey, but Trump gave them the green light to attack the Kurds. Funny but you guys cried about Obama being a weak president and yet, he was able to keep Turkey from attacking them.

Who is this good for? It's good for Erdogan who is an Islamist (remember, you guys are supposed to hate Islamists). It's also good for Putin and Assad. Because Trump sure does love dictators.

It's not good for the Kurds, or for the US and it's not good for any country or group who is considering being allies with us (or even currently allied with us).

This is a disastrous decision from a military perspective, a geopolitical perspective and a moral perspective and you know it. IT will completely destabilize the entire region. It is more than obvious that Trump is not listening to any advisors and just doing what he wants, no matter how bad it is for our country.

And you know all this.